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Neo-Nazi? Is that the best you've got? Wow. Thats amusing on so many levels...considering who my family is and who my friends are. (They, and I, most definatly, would not be let into any Neo-Nazi organization)

Oh, and btw, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

But, again, Citizen, its not worth getting into it with you. You see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear. I have no chance, nor does anyone else, of changing your views.

So, you go right ahead and keep spouting your gibberish. I do find it entertaining at least.

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Originally posted by whozit:
Nazis are Socialist, Liberals are Socialist. Nazis are anti-smoking, Liberals are anti-smoking. Nazis distory there enemys with propiganda...........B.O. has great big ears and likes hot sweaty man sex!!! AHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

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Hitler was a member of his country's armed forces, just like McCain.

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Hitler was a community organizer...like Barrack Obama...and Hitler loved to give rousing speeches to large crowds...in Berlin.

McCain, on the other hand, was a member of his country's armed forces, just like the 3,431 folks who have won the Medal of Honor.

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Hah...

I wouldnt be part of a belief system that teaches that one group of folks are too weak to pull themselves out of their ignorance without the help of everyone else....

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No...I would never in my life be a liberal bigot....so, sorry.

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Noone should EVER have to apologize for ANYTHING they say. This is America, people.

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I have no chance, nor does anyone else, of changing your views.

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Kwicko


You know what I found particularly amusing last night? Her assertion that she and McCain were going to solve the global warming issue even if it were mother nature causing it. So who is the messiah now?

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You know what I found particularly amusing last night? Her assertion that she and McCain were going to solve the global warming issue even if it were mother nature causing it. So who is the messiah now?

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Hello,

This train is horribly derailed, but I did read this I wanted to ask about:

"Liberals are not Socialist, that's the mad raving of a horse molester"

Am I wrong in equating Liberal ideals and the Democratic party's ideals?

I had believed (though now I doubt myself with this comment) that the Liberal philosophy included support for Socialist programs, including a tax structure that places unequal burden on the wealthiest individuals, under the premise that they can afford it. Where did I go wrong?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This train is horribly derailed, but I did read this I wanted to ask about:

"Liberals are not Socialist, that's the mad raving of a horse molester"

Am I wrong in equating Liberal ideals and the Democratic party's ideals?

I had believed (though now I doubt myself with this comment) that the Liberal philosophy included support for Socialist programs, including a tax structure that places unequal burden on the wealthiest individuals, under the premise that they can afford it.

Where did I go wrong?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Liberals are not Socialist, that's the mad raving of a horse molester"

Am I wrong in equating Liberal ideals and the Democratic party's ideals?

I had believed (though now I doubt myself with this comment) that the Liberal philosophy included support for Socialist programs, including a tax structure that places unequal burden on the wealthiest individuals, under the premise that they can afford it.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
" I think we have too many ships, and too many planes. I think we could make due with less."


Tell that to the men and women that are on too many, too long deployments because the military went through drawdown and now does not have enough people to do the job.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Anyhow, the existence or absence of socialist programs currently in our country does not help explain to me whether Liberals or Democrats support a socialist agenda, which is, in short, "Give us your money, and we will re-distribute it according to need."

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Anyhow, the existence or absence of socialist programs currently in our country does not help explain to me whether Liberals or Democrats support a socialist agenda, which is, in short, "Give us your money, and we will re-distribute it according to need."

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There's lots of reasons. One would be simple morality, but it's trite and does somewhat imply that those that don't share that opinion are immoral.

More I'd aim to point out that we're more than just individuals, that any paradigm that aims to promote only individual effort is bound to fail. Also the most successful societies and economies have struck a strong balance between the public private and state spheres. It seems to me to be rather short sighted to ignore social programs for short term private gain. The public at large are your work force, a healthy happy work force is obviously a more productive work force.

Social programs are a boost, not a brake, on any economy. They are a safety net that simply is not substituted by any private actor. Yes there is some level of wealth redistribution inherent within many social programs, but this isn't Socialism nor Communism, any more than going to Church on Sunday is Militant Christian Fundamentalism.

Fairness and equality are important concepts. People work harder if they believe they can change their social standing, and the evidence clearly points to Social programs being integral to that end. In broad sweeps take a look at the difference between the United States and Europe. The Us has far fewer social programs than Europe, but belied by it's moniker "the land of opportunity", the United States not only has much higher levels of inequality (a much larger gap between rich and poor) than Europe, but a much lower social mobility. That is, one is much less likely to improve ones income in the US, than in Europe. The trend holds true within Europe itself, the more social programs there are, the lower the gap between rich and poor, and the high the social mobility.

It's about striking a balance between the Public and Private good, the needs of society as a whole, and the needs of the individual. Neglect either one, and you end up with a sick society.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Hello,

So would you say then that Liberals and/or Democrats support a 'fair balance' between Social programs and individual prosperity?

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So would you say then that Liberals and/or Democrats support a 'fair balance' between Social programs and individual prosperity?

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