45 million watch Sarah open a can of Woop

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/vp-debate-ratin.html I hear Biden is a great Mass-Debater

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Friday, October 3, 2008 7:38 AM

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Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls

by George Harris
Kansas City Star
Readers Advisory Panel 2008

Random and non-random polls for the vice presidential debate declare Biden the winner over Palin in the vice-presidential debate.

Non-random (unscientific) polls on AOL and MSNBC web sites show Biden winning 48 to 45 and 78.6 to 18.9 respectively.

Randomly selected subjects on three other polls also show Biden winning:

CNN/Opinion Research Biden 51 Palin 36
CBS Biden 46 Palin 21
Fox Biden 61 Palin 39

In the CBS poll, of the uncommitted voters, 18% now say they will vote Obama/Biden, 10% now say McCain/Palin.

Post-debate reaction seemed to agree that Governor Palin gave a good account of herself in being able to deliver prepared answers, though often not responsive to the question at hand.

Biden was able to draw on extensive experience from his long experience as a Senator.

I was surprised that Palin's charm did not work better than the poll results showed. But she likely was weighed down by Saturday Night Live parodies and interviews earlier in the week with CBS's Couric. By the time of the debate, people knew that she is not ready for the presidency and saw through her efforts to appear that she was with canned responses.

The issue from the Thursday night debate ultimately is not about Palin but about McCain's judgment in selecting someone with so little qualification for national office.

The McCain/Palin ticket will likely drop into attack gear for the remainder of the campaign in a last ditch effort to stop Obama and Biden. I think it's likely to become really ugly but hope that McCain chooses instead to recover some of his dignity as Palin did in a good effort Thursday night.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 7:54 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by rue:
Post-debate reaction seemed to agree that Governor Palin gave a good account of herself in being able to deliver prepared answers, though often not responsive to the question at hand.

The general consensus is that Bidon won narrowly on the merits and Palin won dramatically on the intangibles.

Given that pundits don't decide the winners, the real winner is decided by voters. In this case, folks who hated Palin, hated Palin more. Folks who loved Palin (like me) loved her more (as if thats possible). Everyone else watched to see Palin screw up...she didn't...and instead she took it to Bidon, took it to Barrack, and took it to the media and they really liked that. So while this debate may or may not rescue the election...it did rescue Palin and expose the media personal attacks as completely without merit.

If, as I suspect, we are reliving the 1970s, then Palin may be Ronald Reagan to McCain's Gerald Ford and Barrack's Jimmy Carter.

Palin '12

H

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:02 AM

I can't wait to see how SNL handles this, if it was'nt for Sarah, Tina Fey would be on her way to Hasbeenville.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

45 million watched. 35 million disagree. But thanks for playing "Grasping at Straws"

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:08 AM

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45 million watched. 35 million disagree. But thanks for playing "Grasping at Straws"

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OK, that's funny

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:35 AM

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"The general consensus is that Bidon won narrowly on the merits and Palin won dramatically on the intangibles."

That's not what the polls show.

But you know - there's three phases of reaction. The immediate phase - the next day hangover - and something that happens 3-5 days later after a cooling-off period.

The immediate reaction to McCain was - not stellar, but credible.

Then 3-5 days later his poll numbers drop, and drop, and drop. What people were left with wasn't the immediate emotional manipulation but the overall sense of an old man too tired and too focused on telling old-man war stories to debate real issues.

The same thing will happen with Palin. Now, I'm sure for a lot of men (put your Palin banner away 'Hero', it's unseemly) it'll take longer for that perception to sink in. And of course the perception won't be that of an old tired maundering man. It'll be of a harsh, manipulative but ultimately empty weasel. But it'll happen all the same.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW

She did just ok. She missed numerous opportunities to attack and bury Biden & Obama. Seemed to me like she failed badly on many of the follow-ups, and did not defend McCain very well. The McCain campaign is doing everything wrong, and it showed again last night. There's no honest way to call it a win for Republicans. And one has just written this.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"The general consensus is that Bidon won narrowly on the merits and Palin won dramatically on the intangibles."

That's not what the polls show.

But you know - there's three phases of reaction. The immediate phase - the next day hangover - and something that happens 3-5 days later after a cooling-off period.

The immediate reaction to McCain was - not stellar, but credible.

Then 3-5 days later his poll numbers drop, and drop, and drop. What people were left with wasn't the immediate emotional manipulation but the overall sense of an old man too tired and too focused on telling old-man war stories to debate the immediate issues.

The same thing will happen with Palin. Now, I'm sure for a lot of men (put your banner away 'Hero', it's unseemly) it'll take longer for that perception to sink in. But it'll happen.

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Polls can't show if she conected with middle America, they vote too.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 8:56 AM

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Snap polling of random people (that includes middle America too) indicates Palin did not do as well as Biden.

The people who matter are the undecided folks and those whose support is marginal. Biden got an immediate boost of 18% among the undecided, Palin 10%. And I suspect the repubican faithful will be energized, increasing potential turnouts by turning the tepid into the hopeful.

But the immediate reaction isn't the one that counts. It's the one that sticks with you after a few days. Palin will end up being seen as harsh despite all the smiling and winking, vacuous, weasley and parochial - and ultimately lacking knowledge and experience.

It'll take longer far this to sink in than it did with McCain, because frankly, a lot of men have their hormones invested in not believing the worst. But it'll happen.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 9:01 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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put your Palin banner away 'Hero', it's unseemly

Umm... it's not his banner that he has to put away...

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Polls can't show if she conected with middle America, they vote too.

And you think the polls are somehow missing "middle America"?

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Friday, October 3, 2008 9:32 AM

Hair plugs + Bleeched teeth + Botox = Our next VP! Oh joy!

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Friday, October 3, 2008 9:50 AM

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Yeah, but... what about Biden?

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Friday, October 3, 2008 9:57 AM

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Yeah, but... what about Biden?

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I agree, what about Biden?

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:18 AM

STORYMARK

I find it wholly unsurprising that the hard right thought she won. But everyone else, from the left to the middle/undecided, seem to be giving it to Biden. All that really varries is by what margin.

She didn't do too badly, certainly not as bad as many expected her to, but she didn't really have anything to say, either.

She did prove remarkable able to answer questions completely different from what she was asked.

But I guess it is a win for her if you consider "winning" to be "not swallowing your own tongue" onstage.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I find it wholly unsurprising that the hard right thought she won. But everyone else, from the left to the middle/undecided, seem to be giving it to Biden. All that really varries is by what margin.

She didn't do too badly, certainly not as bad as many expected her to, but she didn't really have anything to say, either.

She did prove remarkable able to answer questions completely different from what she was asked.

But I guess it is a win for her if you consider "winning" to be "not swallowing your own tongue" onstage.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

She did'nt look like she was preprogramed. She is real, Biden has hairplugs.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:38 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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Originally posted by whozit:
I can't wait to see how SNL handles this, if it was'nt for Sarah, Tina Fey would be on her way to Hasbeenville.

I wouldn't say she resides anywhere near Hasbeenville, since she currently resides at "30 Rock," the best comedy on TV. You have heard of it, haven't you? It won seven Emmys this year.

Get your head outta your azz, whozit. No one who can use even half their brain thinks that Palin won that debate. Granted, she didn't make a fool of herself as I expected, but she certainly didn't score any points with me either.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:42 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by whozit:
She did'nt look like she was preprogramed. She is real, Biden has hairplugs.

Okay, aside from the fact that I didn't say she looked preprogramed - what planet are you on, anyway? She was reading off cards and spouting memorized dialog (sped through, ignoring natural punctuation - like a kid reciting a speech).

I know you're a hard-right wingnut who is going to support her no matter what she does - but come on - try to step into reality just a wee bit.

That chick was prepped to the gills.

And who gives a shit if he has hairplugs? What does that have to do with running a country?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
She did'nt look like she was preprogramed. She is real, Biden has hairplugs.

Okay, aside from the fact that I didn't say she looked preprogramed - what planet are you on, anyway? She was reading off cards and spouting memorized dialog (sped through, ignoring natural punctuation - like a kid reciting a speech).

I know you're a hard-right wingnut who is going to support her no matter what she does - but come on - try to step into reality just a wee bit.

That chick was prepped to the gills.

And who gives a shit if he has hairplugs? What does that have to do with running a country?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I'm on Saturn..and I love you

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:52 AM

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She did'nt look like she was preprogramed

You betcha! And... can I talk about energy?

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by whozit:
I can't wait to see how SNL handles this, if it was'nt for Sarah, Tina Fey would be on her way to Hasbeenville.

Yeah, she only won three Emmy awards this year.

Remind me again - how many did you win?

Thought so.

Mike

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

Trolls Against McCain!

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Friday, October 3, 2008 11:58 AM

Reply, make that 70 million! Go to that link now!

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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:02 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I can't wait to see how SNL handles this, if it was'nt for Sarah, Tina Fey would be on her way to Hasbeenville.

Yeah, she only won three Emmy awards this year.

Remind me again - how many did you win?

Thought so.

Mike

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

Trolls Against McCain!

Hit that link now bitch!

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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:04 PM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
She was reading off cards and spouting memorized dialog (sped through, ignoring natural punctuation - like a kid reciting a speech).

She's a wind-up doll, that's all she is. Pull the string, platitudes and folksy stories about Alaska come out. Don't interrupt her with questions, you'll make her lose her place!

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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:11 PM

Sorry, it was 70 million, AHH HAHAHAHHAHAHA! Click that site agian for the happy news.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:33 PM

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Doesn't change the poll percentages, son, dontcha know.

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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:47 PM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

thank you dr Zaius... all hail dr Zaius

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:59 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

Full-Length VIDEO of the Debate :

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