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Palins make less, but give MUCH more to charity than Bidens.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:50 AM

AURAPTOR

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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin made considerably less money than rival Sen. Joe Biden, but the Palin family gave more to charity in the last two years than Biden has in the last eight combined, according to Palin’s tax records released Friday afternoon.

Palin, the running mate of presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), and her husband Todd reported meager earnings from 2006 and 2007, at least by presidential-politics standards.

In 2006, the Palins paid $11,944 in taxes on $127,869 in income. In 2007, they paid $24,738 on $166,080.

But in 2006, they donated $4,880 to charity, and in 2007, they donated $3,325.

By contrast, Biden (D-Del.), Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s running mate, has donated a total of $3,690 since 1998 ( 2006 earning $248,459 while donating $380, and in
2007 earning $319,853 and donating $995 ) .......despite his higher Senate salary, according to an analysis posted by National Review.
http://www.bootsandsabers.com/index.php

“The average American household gives about two percent of adjusted gross income,” says Arthur Brooks, the Syracuse University scholar, soon to take over as head of the American Enterprise Institute, who has done extensive research on American giving. “On average, [Biden] is not giving more than one tenth as much as the average American household, and that is evidence that he doesn’t share charitable values with the average American.”
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTZiY2EyNjllZmI3MjBiODdiM2ViNjc5Z
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Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:53 AM

WHOZIT


That's because Biden wants to donate YOUR money for you.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:03 AM

KHYRON


So does this now mean Palin would make a qualified vice-president?

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:05 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
That's because Biden wants to donate YOUR money for you.


Yeah, don't we all feel so patriotic w/ Joe raising our taxes and spending our $$ - NOT.



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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:07 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
So does this now mean Palin would make a qualified vice-president?

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Just a window into what sort of person Biden.

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“The average American household gives about two percent of adjusted gross income,” says Arthur Brooks, the Syracuse University scholar, soon to take over as head of the American Enterprise Institute, who has done extensive research on American giving. “On average, [Biden] is not giving more than one tenth as much as the average American household, and that is evidence that he doesn’t share charitable values with the average American.”




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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:08 AM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, don't we all feel so patriotic w/ Joe raising our taxes and spending our $$
So does this mean you make more than $250 000 a year?
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NOT.
What, are you from the 80s!? Nobody says that anymore.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:10 AM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just a window into what sort of person Biden.
Okay, I succumb. Where do I vote for Reagan?

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:15 AM

WHOZIT


Good words for Sarah from Hillary http://www.breitbart.tv/html/188053.html

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:17 AM

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I dontated more than Biden, but that's not saying much, I know.



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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:20 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just a window into what sort of person Biden.
Okay, I succumb. Where do I vote for Reagan?

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:21 AM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I dontated more than Biden, but that's not saying much, I know.
I say this without snark: Good for you, seriously. And good for the Palins. And a little disappointing from Biden, sure.

However, this is not substance, it has nothing to do with the election. If this is the best you can come up with, then you've got nothing.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:23 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:


However, this is not substance, it has nothing to do with the election. If this is the best you can come up with, then you've got nothing.

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Actaully, it's very solid substance, as it's a window into the very real values of each candidate. And it's not " the best " I have, not by a long shot, but just another block on the mountain of evidence against Obama/ Biden.



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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:29 AM

KHYRON


If "values" are so important to you, then I'm sure Palin's corruption, cronyism, non-stop pandering and incessant lying have you thoroughly disgusted.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:31 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
If "values" are so important to you, then I'm sure Palin's corruption, cronyism, non-stop pandering and incessant lying have you thoroughly disgusted.

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No, becasue there's absolutley none of that. She's the inverse of what you try to paint her as, which I find very refershing.

It's Obama and his ties to Tony Rezko, Bill Ayres which have me disgusted.



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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:37 AM

KHYRON


"Absolutely none of that"? Okay, if you're in complete denial of reality, I'm outta here.

(Shouldn't matter to you anyway, you were just fishing for responses with this thread . Let's see if you get somebody else to bite.)

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
"Absolutely none of that"? Okay, if you're in complete denial of reality, I'm outta here.



Denial of reality ? No, you're just displaying YOUR denial of realty by promoting a canned, stock version of the Left wing LIE machine, and it's standard attempt to vilify w/ out any evidence, what so ever.

You're a myrmidon , and it shows.






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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:03 AM

KIRKULES


It's been established by a few studies that religious Republicans give a much larger percentage of their income to charity than secular Democrats. I don't think the gap would be so large if they compared religious Democrats with religious Republicans. In general non-religious folk need to start giving more to charity(including me), nice to hear AUraptor is setting a good example for us.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
It's been established by a few studies that religious Republicans give a much larger percentage of their income to charity than secular Democrats. I don't think the gap would be so large if they compared religious Democrats with religious Republicans. In general non-religious folk need to start giving more to charity(including me), nice to hear AUraptor is setting a good example for us.


Thanks for the kind words. I'd only point out that Bidens gave far less than the average American ( 2% of adjusted gross income vs less than 1% ) , over the past 9 yrs. I'd not go so far as to suggest 'most Americans' are all that religious, but are , at the very least, good natured and well meaning toward their fellow man. If nothing else.



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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:16 AM

KHYRON


Kirkules, you raise an interesting point, exactly what charities did the Palins donate to? I can totally see them giving their money to some half-assed born-again church. I hope they gave to a real charity, otherwise I take back the nice thing I said before.
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You're a myrmidon , and it shows.
I am, and reality is my master.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:17 AM

ELVISCHRIST


How much did McCain and his wife give? It's critically important that we know.!

EC

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:05 PM

KHYRON


Okay, AURaptor, I have a "values" question for you: Could you please explain the disturbing evidence presented by Sydney Schanberg that McCain deliberately covered up the story of abandoned MIAs in Vietnam?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg
Longer version: http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:33 PM

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What Biden and Obama, and every Democrat since Socialism first was dreampt up mean by it "being patriotic" to pay higher taxes in response to re-distribution of wealth is just un-fair and destructive. What they call being patriotic, I call simply another type of a criminal money grab. How about we take all A students' hard-earned A grades and drop them all to a B grade, so the slackers with D's can now get C's. That seems fair, right kids? Throw all the guilty crooks in jail, but punishing the majority of honest succesful people, and those with small businesses is just un-American. It destroys incentives to succeed. Study hard, Work hard, make something of yourself just so those that were lazy or slovenly can benefit from your labors. What lunatic thought of that? Right, Karl Marx, perfected by Lenin, of course.

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:44 PM

KHYRON


Wow Riverlove, your taxes will go up!? I didn't realize so many people on here made more than 250K a year!

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 6:34 PM

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Quote:

What Biden and Obama, and every Democrat since Socialism first was dreampt up mean by it "being patriotic" to pay higher taxes in response to re-distribution of wealth is just un-fair and destructive.


Can someone please explain to me what's so unpatriotic about paying your taxes?

Is it unpatriotic to want safe roads and bridges?

Is it unpatriotic to enjoy the beauty of our national parks?

Is it unpatriotic to pay our men and women in uniform, and to ask that they be given the very best of equipment with which to defend us?

Is it unpatriotic to ask that they have adequate health care when they come home mentally and physically damaged?

Is it unpatriotic to want a decent education for your kids, or for ALL children?

Taking all that into account, I guess you're right - America sucks, and supporting such a system is the most un-American thing you could possibly do.

EC

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 7:38 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
What Biden and Obama, and every Democrat since Socialism first was dreampt up mean by it "being patriotic" to pay higher taxes in response to re-distribution of wealth is just un-fair and destructive. What they call being patriotic, I call simply another type of a criminal money grab. How about we take all A students' hard-earned A grades and drop them all to a B grade, so the slackers with D's can now get C's. That seems fair, right kids? Throw all the guilty crooks in jail, but punishing the majority of honest succesful people, and those with small businesses is just un-American. It destroys incentives to succeed. Study hard, Work hard, make something of yourself just so those that were lazy or slovenly can benefit from your labors. What lunatic thought of that? Right, Karl Marx, perfected by Lenin, of course.

RL, this is so beyond ridiculous. We already HAVE wealth redistribution in this country, GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY! With inflation, the poor pay for the rich's credit cards. Inflation is the perfect criminal money grab! With inflation you can make the poor worth even less without anyone being able to trace it back to the rich.

And how many tax shelters are there for the folks living paycheck to paycheck? For the folks who can't afford health care? Where are the off-shore accounts for the unemployed? You call taxes "wealth redistribution" but it's just a tiny surcharge for the rich being able to continue to live on the backs of the poor and middle class. And this simple minded "you taking my A away and giving me a B" is plain wrong. Even with your silly analogy, it's more like taking your "A+, 110%" and turning it into an "A+, 105%." Is everyone who makes less than 250k a year "lazy and slovenly???" Have you even lived in America in the last 30 years? Nobody's getting fat off of welfare in this country. You act as if paying a few more taxes is gonna put the rich on skid row and turn the poor into pashas. I promise you, under an Obama Admin. you will still be able to get filthy rich if you're lucky enough to have access to the really big money.

Jeez, it may not be patriotic to pay taxes, but it sure ain't patriotic to bitch and moan about paying your fair share into the system that sustains your exploitative lifestyle. If the rich were smart, they'd be content to pay a couple extra bucks for a functioning economy. But they're too greedy to be smart, so we have to have a global depression once a century or so. Good times!

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:56 AM

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And all of this fails to take into account that most "charities" are just tax shelter dodges for the wealthy anyway which cycle most of the money into salaries pocketed by folks running the place, who usually happen to be in some way affliated personally, professionally or politically with the folks making the larger donations.

I once worked for Easter Seals, and ran smack into the seedy underbelly of these matters trying to help a family they'd burned pretty bad.

http://www.affiliatewebsitedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=825

I do NOT donate to charity, if I wanna help someone out, *I* do it, instead of making a mere conscience payment that will be eaten in "administrative costs" and never make it to actually help anyone - unless they need a PR bump to keep the cashflow coming, of course.

Worst of all is the freakin Shriners, man..
I could tell you some stories....

But I won't, since some of THAT mess is so goddamn woo-woo weird even PN couldn't make it screwier.

-Frem

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:44 AM

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Bump for AURaptor.

I have a values question for you: Could you please explain the disturbing evidence presented by Sydney Schanberg that McCain deliberately covered up the story of abandoned MIAs in Vietnam?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg
Longer version: http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

Also, did you know that Palin's evangelical church actually requires her to donate 10% to charity? She donated far less than that, so does that mean she's going to go to hell? This blatant disregard for the wishes of her church clearly disqualify her for the office of vice president, in my opinion.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:03 PM

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"In 2006, the Palins paid $11,944 in taxes on $127,869 in income. In 2007, they paid $24,738 on $166,080."


Sarah Palin makes $125,000 a year as Alaska governor. Plus, since she took the job in December 2006, she hasn't paid taxes on the more than $17,000 she received in controversial per diem payments for working out of the family's lakeside home in Wasilla — some 575 miles from the capital of Juneau.

For the 2007 tax year, Todd Palin's self-employment brought him $66,893 in gross receipts — $49,893 from fishing and $17,000 from snowmachine racing. But, the returns show, he claimed so many deductions that he reported only $15,513 net profit from the fishing operation and claimed a $9,639 loss from his racing, leaving him with an overall net income of only $5,874. In addition, Todd earned $43,519 last year working part-time on the North Slope for BP Exploration.

That's a LOT more money than they claim to be making.


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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:04 PM

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Sorry, but muck raking by anyone who simply wants to tear down McCain isn't credible.

And this has nothing to do w/ the subject of THIS thread either.

Nice try



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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:11 PM

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Yes it does, you made the subject about this thread to be "values". So in keeping with the theme, I thought I'd let you explain McCain's "values" when he actively sought to cover up the status of more than 500 MIAs in Vietnam.

Tell me, what are McCain's values?

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:28 PM

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Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrite

Nothing to say about the facts of the discrepancy between their income and their income tax statements ?


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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:45 PM

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Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrite

Nothing to say about the facts of the discrepancy between their income and their income tax statements ?


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I'm not a tax accountant. Are you ?



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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Yes it does, you made the subject about this thread to be "values". So in keeping with the theme, I thought I'd let you explain McCain's "values" when he actively sought to cover up the status of more than 500 MIAs in Vietnam.

Tell me, what are McCain's values?

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That's a stretch, even for a lying Liberal.



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Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:52 PM

RUE

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Uhh Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrite

It's pretty simple: gross income - deductions = net income.


I'll make sure to remind you of your inabilities at basic math next time you have an epiphany on the economy -- OK ?

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Uhh Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrite

It's pretty simple: gross income - deductions = net income.


I'll make sure to remind you of your inabilities at basic math next time you have an epiphany on the economy -- OK ?

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If your taxes are really that simple, then I know you don't make much more than min wage, so wtf am I bothering listening to you ?






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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:42 PM

RUE

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Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

Why did you abandon the other thread ? It was just getting interesting ! You were about to find us all the links proving that Ayers and Obama have close political ties. Weren't you ? You betcha' !

Adding and subtracting are easy. Now maybe you didn't get that far, so I can see why you like Palin so much - you're her natural constituent - you betcha! So take my word for it - the numbers don't add up.

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The documents indicated that Palin did not report as 2007 income the $17,000 that she received in per diem payments from the state of Alaska for days that she worked out of her home in Wasilla, rather than at the state Capitol in Juneau.
An Associated Press analysis also found that the Palins underpaid their 2007 estimated taxes with an April extension and could owe interest.
"What jumps out to me in this tax return," said Robert S. McIntyre, director of the Citizens for Tax Justice, a labor-backed group, "is that the $17,000 in per diems is not there, and it should have been."

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:53 PM

AURAPTOR

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Stop fucking chasing me around from thread to thread. If you have no other damn life than to perch by your computer and wait for a reply, I pity you. However, the Obama/ Ayers link is fully established, and I gave you that link Want more ? Open your gorram eyes and find out yourself, unless you're too god damn fucking scared to face reality.

Palins gave much more than Bidens, ego, they are MUCH better people.

Best I know is that the 17k is non taxable income, thus it wasn't filed as income. No big deal.




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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:12 PM

RUE

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'Best I know is that the 17k is non taxable income, thus it wasn't filed as income. No big deal."

OH wait ! Didn't you JUST say you weren't a tax accountant ? Wasn't it right here: "I'm not a tax accountant." Did I get it right ? So, are you now giving me your expert opinion ???

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

You idiot. You betcha !

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:14 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrisy practitioner

As for this: "Stop fucking chasing me around from thread to thread."

Why, are you running ?

Well, then Wait ! Come back ! I'm not finished with you !

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:28 PM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's a stretch, even for a lying Liberal.
So you don't want to answer my entirely reasonable question because of what you think of me?

C'mon, AURaptor, there are so many people in America just waiting for a reason NOT TO vote for Obama and TO vote for McCain. I'm giving you the golden opportunity to make the case for McCain here: What are McCain's values, and how can those purported values be reconciled with his actions?

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Trolls against McCain, you betcha!

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:00 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Palin is our Lord and Savior. The smartest woman in the room because she got herself elected Governor of Alaska. McCain is the new Bush and Palin the new Cheney. May God Bless America.

Down with all Liberals!

BTW what is a liberal? Anyone know?

And please don't answer "commie pinko wierdo"

Just asking!

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrisy practitioner

'Best I know is that the 17k is non taxable income, thus it wasn't filed as income. No big deal."

OH wait ! Didn't you JUST say you weren't a tax accountant ? Wasn't it right here: "I'm not a tax accountant." Did I get it right ? So, are you now giving me your expert opinion ???

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

You idiot. You betcha !

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So, anyone w/ a contrary comment to what you wish were true is an " idiot "? In this case, I just report what's been said by others, and I never claimed it was MY expert opinion. Unless you can deal w/ the facts and give a honest, legitimate counter to what I said, why post anything at all ? I know , you'd rather ignore facts and spew childish insults.

And no, I'm not running from anything, but if you're so obsessed to scan every other thread to harass me into replying to each and every one of your remarks, you've got SERIOUS issues.

Get a life.



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