McCain and Palin are lying whores! by ImperaTodd

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FMF

Are you trying to convince Saint Rap

that his political religion is wrong ??? It's his identity, dontcha' know.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:46 PM

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And btw you other idiots - Bill Ayers was involved in the "terrorist" activites 40 freakin years ago, at a time when the Vietnam War was going on and sentiments were strong AGAISNT it. At the time Obama would have been 8 fucking years old. So find something else to bitch about because this is just stupid.

It doesn't matter, FMF, how long ago it happened. Ayers was involved in several bombings, and has never repented for his deeds. Under no circumstances in a FREE society is it acceptable for a group use violence as a form of protest. No matter HOW strongly their views. This isn't stupid, it's stupid people who think that it is.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

No, what is stupid is to hold it agaisnt someone who was a child at the time.

So, if David Duke ( or some other white supremacist political figure ) was a child , or not even born during Wordl War 2, you'd think it ok if he idolized Adolph Hilter ? Because that's pretty much what you're saying.

2 things you're overlooking, FMF, is that Ayers never apologized for what he did. Also, Obama , knowing who/ what Ayers did, still is fine w/ associating his campaign and his image with this thug.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:01 PM

KIRKULES

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Ah, Kirkules, I forgot about you. Could you please provide an independent, non-partisan list of Biden's debate "lies"? The one you provided were released by the McCain campaign and is so full of spin that it's hard to make out what Biden's lies are and what the McCain campaign's lies are.

You're finally getting the idea (assuming you're joking). For you the source of the information determines whether it's factual or not. I always thought facts are facts, independent of the source.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:07 PM

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Ahh, but Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

Obama ISN'T associating his campaign with Ayers OR using his image. That's just another Palin lie dontch' know.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Ahh, but Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

Obama ISN'T associating his campaign with Ayers OR using his image. That's just another Palin lie dontch' know.

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No, it's a fact.

Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. So it is -- you know, I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about. And I have no doubt -- I know Senator Obama's a good man and I respect him greatly but I think that this is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising.
- Hillary Clinton

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:26 PM

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Ahh, but Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy - Glad you agree

-- you ARE a self-appointed martyr and hyprocrite.

As for Palin's lies - which you regurgitate here on cue - you have nothing but your assertions. And your

assertions count for less than zero.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:33 PM

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Ahh, but Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy - Glad you agree -- you ARE a self-appointed martyr and hyprocrite.

As for Palin's lies - which you here regurgitate on cue - you have nothing but your assertions. And your assertions count for less than zero.

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You don't comprehend very well when you read, do you ?

There are no Palin lies, just your lies. I didn't " regurgitate " one god damn thing ...I quoted HILLARY CLINTON, you dumb ass, not Sarah Palin.

The only zeros here are how many assertions I made and YOUR IQ score.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is pathetic. The "link" between these two men is that they served on a board together and shared occasional phone calls??

You've got to be sh*ttin' me!

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The only zeros here are how many assertions I made and YOUR IQ score.

I happen to know for a fact that Rue's IQ score is in three digits. Yours? It's be a single digit except zero doesn't count.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:35 PM

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This is pathetic. The "link" between these two men is that they served on a board together and shared occasional phone calls??

You've got to be sh*ttin' me!

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You'd wish that's all it were.

Funny that you'd try to spin it like that though.

Funny and sad.

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The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.

The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:44 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So far, I haven't seen any evidence that there is anything more to it. Even the article that Palin cites says the men "were not close".

You know, I serve on a LOT of committees, in work groups etc. Some ppl that I work closely with... I can't stand, politically. If I were to be linked with every person I've ever worked with, or for.... that's just senseless. And smacks of desperation, if you want to know the truth.

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The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

Well, since they WERE working for the CAC, I would hope so!!!, And what was this horrific agenda??? To "improve Chicago's public schools". Big friggin' deal!

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:48 PM

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If they were working as a team, they thus knew each other far more than " casually " as Obama claims / LIES .

Now shut the fuck up over this, and face reality.

At the very least, read the WHOLE damn article. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Look, I can work as a "team" with someone and still only know them casually outside of the work sphere. In fact I prefer it that way.

You're such a boob.

Oh, BTW, here is the website of that "far left" organization ACORN.

www.acorn.org

Check it out, if you're not too afraid of being exposed to something different.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:00 PM

America loves a winner!

You didn't read the article, or do anything to find out more, that is clear.

Remain ignorant, and fully confident in your lack of knowledge. I'm sure it makes for sound sleep at night.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:03 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Since you didn't exactly link the article, how was I supposed to access it, ya boob?

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:05 PM

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Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrisy practitioner

But you wrote Obama, "... knowing who/ what Ayers did, still is fine w/ associating his campaign and his image with this thug."

You DID write that, right ? Didn'tcha '?

Or did someone get hold of your computer ?

You have failed to prove this. Anywhere. You have failed to show they did anything but work in the same organization. Anywhere. And your quotes simply don't address your claims. Anywhere. Your 'quotes' and 'facts' are totally irrelevant.

Well, just like your posts, I have to say.

And always looking back. There you go again.

City on a beacon ...

there we go again .. exceptionalismism special people ... herd of mavericks

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:14 PM

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Discredited Republican voter-suppression guru Ken Blackwell is attacking Barack Obama with naked lies about his supposed connection to ACORN.

• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.

In his capacity as an attorney, Barack represented ACORN in a successful lawsuit alongside the U.S. Department of Justice against the state of Illinois to force state compliance with a federal voting access law.

I KNOW ! The DOJ was ALSO an organizer for ACORN ! NOW I SEE THE LIGHT !

(not)

Yeah, Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrisy practitioner IS a boob.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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still is fine w/ associating his campaign and his image

No no no!!! That can't be true! Because you ALSO said

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they thus knew each other far more than " casually " as Obama claims

So, which is it? Is Obama associating his campaign and his image with this guy? Or he is trying to hide whatever association they had?

You're so confusing, Rapo! It's like you had this big schizoid split that prevents you from... oh, sorry about that. Didn't mean to poke fun at your disabilities.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:03 PM

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Just out of curiosity, I got the names of the other members of the board of directors (along with Obama's). This is from the first annual report:

Susan Crown, VP
Henry Crown & Co.

Patricia Albjerg Graham, Pres.
The Spencer Foundation

Stanley O. Ikenberry, Pres. Emeritus
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Handy Lindsey, Jr., Executive Director
Field Foundation of Illinois, Inc. (established in 1940)

Barack Obama
Davis, Miner, Batnhill & Galland

Ray Romer

Arnold R. Weber, Pres.
The Civic Committee

Wanda White, Executive Director
Community Workshop on Economic Development

I noticed Obama didn't have a title so it looks like he served as a legal voice. A more radical group of people you'd never find.
The Collaborative which was a separate group, consisted of 16 people including a Chicago school principal, the assistant to the president of the Chicago Public Schools Board of Education, a member of the State Board of Education, the President of Chicago State University, and a program officer for the MacArthur Foundation, among others.

It took me FAR longer to type this than to find it. It doesn't take much to find the facts. But apparently it's far too complicated for Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', and hypocrisy practitioner.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:18 PM

America loves a winner!

What's so hard acknowledging that Ayers is a multiple bomber, admits to it, doesn't repent from it, and , were it not for bungled prosecution, he'd have served hard time in a Federal pen. You listing other members of a board serves ZERO purpose in explaining away what Ayers did and why Obama is so connected to him.

A really pathetic attempt on your part, to be honest. Why not just sit back, take a deep breath, and come to grips that Obama associates himself w/ really bad people.

Rezko

Ayers

Rev. Wright....all just for starters.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Since you didn't exactly link the article, how was I supposed to access it, ya boob?

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Yeah, I did, and I'll do it again.

JUST like it's posted above... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

Moron.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:27 PM

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Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

"... explaining away what Ayers did and why Obama is so connected to him ..."

SOooo connected to him. Just like everyone else on the board --- right ? And everyone in the Chicago Schools Research Consortium. And everyone in The Collaborative who actually worked WITH Ayers - right in the same branch ! Why, they were ALL just tools of a mad ex-bomber ! Every single one of them !

You stupid turd.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Did you notice that you didn't link the article until AFTER you said I wasn't reading it on purpose?

And you call ME a turd?

So, back to the point in question: What are you more pissed off about? That Obama links his campaign and image to Ayers? That he DOESN'T? That Obama worked with him and actually (GASP!!!) spoke on the phone with him five years ago? That they funded the "far left" group ACORN? (BTW, did you check out their website? I DID link it, yanno!)

Or, are you just so filled with bile that you can't think straight?

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 5:44 PM

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Uhhm, Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy has already shown he can't think straight. You know, massive stockpiles of WMDS near "Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat", roaring ON FIRE ! economy and other notable delusions.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 6:17 PM

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So, Saint Rap, self-anointed martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

You made a lot of claims about Obama that simply aren't true.
You said he was an ACORN organizer - he never was.
You said he was a trainer for ACORN - he never was.
You said ACORN worked with his organization Project Vote - it never did.
You claim that because he represented ACORN in a lawsuit alongside the US DOJ for equal voting rights he and ACORN brought down the US economy - a stupid claim on it face (unless of course it was Barney Frank who did it with an offhand comment, a much more credible claim).
You said that because he (and many other highly respected people and government officials) worked in the same organization as Ayers that the two shared and share radical leftist goals - presumably along with everyone else there who associated with Ayers in exactly the same way.

And to support your jackass claims you quote an irrellevant Hillary Clinton statement and an article by the WSJ that's so full of factual errors it would take pages of type just to document them all.

You do realize just how BIG a boob you are --- Right ? All in your effort to defend McCain and Palin and all THEIR lies.

I'd ask you if your shocked at what you are (in case you didn't know it you're a cheap repubican whore) but it would be a pointless question - you're too stupid to even get how degraded you are.

Either way, you're just going to have to face it

John McCain was one of the Keating Five and he associates with really bad people.

Phil Gramm

John Hagee

Karl Rove

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 8:10 PM

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Under no circumstances in a FREE society is it acceptable for a group use violence as a form of protest. No matter HOW strongly their views.

I call bullshit.

Not only is it acceptable, in some cases it's downright fuckin patriotic.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed*, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

*And we've come a long way from "Consent of the Governed" when universally hated policies are rammed down the throat of the people with the threat of downright force, when it's rule of the gun in truth, enforced by a federalised, militarised standing army(police) at the beck and call of the powers that be.

And in case nobody recognizes it, which, given the state of public education(indoctrination) in the US, I'd make that at least a 50/50 bet, that happens to be the preamble to the Declaration of Independance, a document with a laundry list of misdeeds laid at the foot of King George that is chillingly similar to the bullshit we face from our own administration today.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

Hell, Jefferson outright supported the practice.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people, with have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."

Pat Henry was in full agreement with that sentiment as well.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force: Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

As was Madison, and even that half cracked bastard Hamilton, as evidenced by repeated statements to that effect in the Federalist Papers, as I have recently noted.

And here you try to sell me that line of bullshit in the face of the plain and simple fact that our intended primary government limitation happens to be an armed populace willing to use violence in response to it slipping the leash - that whole concept an intentional and integral part of the bedrock of our society as expressed in their own words by every single one of our Founders ?

Nah, I don't think so.

That crap might work on the folks raised on spoon-fed public education swill, distortions and omissions, but if you're going to argue the basic foundations of our country and society - do yourself the favor of actually learning them first.

Unless you *like* being handed your head on a plate every time you open your mouth to spew more ignorant stupidity, that is.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:36 PM

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No, you presented a "link" as if that's some sort of accepted bit o' evidence. It's nothing more than a fictionalized story written by a partisan and published in a far left publication.

No thanks.

Well, the thing with links is, you have to click them to get where the evidence is. I grant you, the links themselves aren't proof, but I did expect that you figured out the 'clicking'-concept by now. My bad, no worries.

As you can see, I posted the shorter version of the article above. There's a whole lot of facts in there, presented by a Pulitzer-winning investigative journalist. If you click on the link that follows the words "longer version:" in my other post above (it's easy, you point to it with your mouse and press the left mouse button), you get led to a version of the article that has tons of documentation. After you've looked at it, let me know which documents were the ones that were "fictionalized".

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:48 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST200806
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Ah, Kirkules, I forgot about you. Could you please provide an independent, non-partisan list of Biden's debate "lies"? The one you provided were released by the McCain campaign and is so full of spin that it's hard to make out what Biden's lies are and what the McCain campaign's lies are.
You're finally getting the idea (assuming you're joking). For you the source of the information determines whether it's factual or not. I always thought facts are facts, independent of the source.

I got your point ages ago, you didn't get mine, though. Instead of getting a list of Biden's lies, you got a list of unreferenced claims that was released from the McCain campaign! And you consider this list to be a list of unspun, objective facts! And apparently anybody who questions the veracity of these "facts" is a partisan who's obsessed with dissing the source rather than dealing with the facts themselves!

Is any of this hypocrisy that you exhibit sinking in yet?

If you want to show that Biden lied, either get an independent, non-partisan list with references, or provide references for the list you've presented before.

In fact, I'm such a nice guy, I've picked out the most glaring omissions of evidence for you:

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1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

I think it should be noted that Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.

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3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

Opposing something but then conceding that it's necessary when the circumstances have changed isn't lying. Except when you're a Democrat, it seems ...

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4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

If McCain said this, the right would probably be vehemently arguing that this is a "half-truth" at worst. But double-standards aside, why does John McCain hate our troops? He voted against them because it contained a timeline? Wtf?

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5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

'Whatever Biden meant or didn’t mean to say on the rope line, he has supported clean coal in the past.' ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debat
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7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false.

Needs evidence (I won't google for you).

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8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

Needs verification.

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9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

Working with tribes ... does that mean the US military recruiting tribes to oppose insurgents? Because here's what the dear commander actually said about that: 'Another facet of the Iraq strategy that McKiernan doubts can be duplicated in Afghanistan is the U.S. military's programs to recruit tribes to oppose insurgents.' ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/01/AR2008
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If you read the rest fo the article, you'll see Biden didn't lie.

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10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

Needs proof, but even if he did call for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie, does that mean he didn't weaken regulation overall? Oh, I see, the exception that disproves the rule ...

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11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

How is saying "McCain was wrong on Iraq" a lie just because he (Biden) initially voted for the war? McCain said lots of stuff about Iraq ("greeted as liberators", etc) that was wrong. How was Biden lying?

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12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

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14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Needs proof.

In conclusion, you're either a dumbass for ignorantly and mindlessly presenting the McCain campaign's spin as fact, or you're a spinmeister, or both.

Further evidence of your hypocrisy: Part of your point was that facts are facts, independent of the sources. Well, the only guy that's dismissing facts left, right and centre because he claims the sources are "liberal" or "partisan" is AURaptor, yet I haven't seen you address him on this yet. If you have any integrity, he should be the main guy in this forum that you argue with.

I suggest you smoke a bucket of weed and figure out who the hell you are and what your standpoint actually is.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:15 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Puppet oh puppet, where for art thou?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

There goes the neighborhood.

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:33 PM

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Saint Rap, martyr for 'truth' and practitioner of hypocrisy

"... explaining away what Ayers did and why Obama is so connected to him ..."

SOooo connected to him. Just like everyone else on the board --- right ? And everyone in the Chicago Schools Research Consortium. And everyone in The Collaborative who actually worked WITH Ayers - right in the same branch ! Why, they were ALL just tools of a mad ex-bomber ! Every single one of them !

You stupid turd.

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Silence is consent.

You're nothing but a blind partrisan who's in denial and basically , you're being a prick too.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:50 PM

America loves a winner!

What rebellion are we talking about ? Me thinks you confuse actual rebellion w/ thuggery and terrorism.

So, I'm guessing you're a big fan of Timmothy McVeigh ?

Is THIS your view of an acceptable " little " rebellion?

the blood of patriots and tyrants, huh?

This is NOT what Jefferson had in mind, not by a long shot.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:53 PM

I don't agree with his actions (40 years ago!!), but how many people did Ayers kill, AURaptor?

And how is Ayers relevant to Obama?

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Monday, October 6, 2008 5:56 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You're nothing but a blind partrisan who's in denial and basically , you're being a prick too.

And you, of course, are the only one who's been factually correct and intellectually rigorous, and you're just so dang NICE about it too, dontcha know?

BTW, I'm still waiting for answers to my questions... from this thread AND the other.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 6:03 AM

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This is NOT what Jefferson had in mind, not by a long shot.

He would undoubtedly shoot you as an enemy of the Constitution, and this Nation, AU.

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 7:17 AM

CITIZEN

John McCain was a member of the Vietcong during the Vietnam War, he spent years with them, and was so loyal he refused to return to the united states when he had the chance.

Sarah Palin hates the US so much she's an active member of a separatist group.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 7:23 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
John McCain was a member of the Vietcong during the Vietnam War, he spent years with them, and was so loyal he refused to return to the united states when he had the chance.

Sarah Palin hates the US so much she's an active member of a separatist group.

To vote for either of these cowards would be the act of a traitor.

Nowwe'recookin'isall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 8:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA

How interesting to hold up McVeigh as so horrible.

So, tell me, when is Janet Reno gonna face the needle for the dead kids at Waco, huh ?

Why is it A-Ok when forces of the Government murder childen, and so horrible when someone did it in retaliation ?

Shouldn't it be a horror no matter WHO commits it ?

Why should agents of the Gov get a free pass, especially in light of the fact that they knew damn well what the likely result of lobbing between 400 and 700 rounds of a CS munition (M-651) that was removed from military inventories not only for it's tendancy to start fires, but also in that particular formulation, had a tendancy to produce hydrogen cyanide as a reaction byproduct, especially if introduced to a pre-existing fire.

And that doesn't take into account that even if neither of those issues was present, they were certainly and deliberately trying to achieve a concentration that would effectively displace enough oxygen to suffocate their victims besides.

And care to guess where they were AIMING the goddamn things, by their own reports ?

That ain't a justification of McVeighs actions, although whoever planted the bombs INSIDE the Federal Building is actually responsible, and that might or might not have been him, mind you - but hell yes, his involvement is sufficient for me to damn him for it, sure.

But *IF* McVeigh is such a monster, and worthy of execution, tell me then why you're not clamoring for Janet Reno to face the needle ?

Was it me, I woulda buried em both alive, in the same coffin.

And no, I was never fond of those bastards down at Elohim cause more than half of em were jackboot cuddling collaborators like you, Rap.

I was always a bit more partial to the Weathermen, the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI, Dean Harvey Hicks, and Marvin John Heemeyer.

While not essentially opposed to the idea of stringing up folks who have betrayed their Oaths of office, it's not for an individual to make that decision, not for something as precious as a human life, however ill spent.

Things that are destroyed are just that, things, symbolic in nature and ultimately replaceable - but Gandalf put it best...

"Deserves it! I dare say he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Of course, on YOU I waste the words, since you only value human life so far as those possessing it agree with you, no matter how you try to conceal it beneath your torn and tattered mask of reason.

Might wanna take a powder and touch up a bit, cause the monster's showing through as of late - just some friendly advice.

Me, I respect all human life, and which "side" a terrorist who targets the innocent deliberately is officially on doesn't matter a whit to me, I find em all reprehensible, but most of all when they do so under the auspices of a so-called legitimate government, since by no stretch of "consent of the governed" can one be said to have consented to their own murder.

That's even MORE cowardly and despicable than those who commit such atrocities openly.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, October 6, 2008 9:25 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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You're nothing but a blind partrisan who's in denial and basically , you're being a prick too.
And you, of course, are the only one who's been factually correct and intellectually rigorous, and you're just so dang NICE about it too, dontcha know?

BTW, I'm still waiting for answers to my questions... from this thread AND the other.

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Not once have you even tried to reply to my facts, just spewed nonsensical insults.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 10:00 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Not once have you even tried to reply to my facts, just spewed nonsensical insults.

When you get around to posting facts, I'll get around to responding.

You STILL haven't clarified what it is you're complaining about. You've posted a lot of meaningless crap about Obama and ACORN and Ayers, and failed to demonstrate any meaningful connection that would make me think that Obama is some sort of terrrst, or approves of terrorism.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 10:04 AM

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Not once have you even tried to reply to my facts,

'Facts' like this?:
"Hey lookie... the market is rebounding. Imagine that."- Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 09:41

You're such an idiot.

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 10:09 AM

Signy, everyone, you MUST see this movie preview!!!!:

OMGLOL!!!isall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 11:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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BTW, I'm still waiting for answers to my questions... from this thread AND the other.

Signy, that's a long wait for a train don't come...

Mike

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 11:27 AM

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Signy, that's a long wait for a train don't come...

You mean, I won't get an answer to any of my questions either!?

* runs into room, slams door shut, starts crying *

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Monday, October 6, 2008 2:39 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Well lookee here! Mrs Joe Sixpack a big fat fibber? say it aint so joe!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannyn-moore/palins-darfur-lie-alaskan_
b_132125.html

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, October 6, 2008 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannyn-moore/palins-darfur-lie-alaskan_
b_132125.html

Typical NeoCon activity.

Hey CRAptor, what say you, or are you too busy reveling in the roaring economy?

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 6:47 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not once have you even tried to reply to my facts,
'Facts' like this?:
"Hey lookie... the market is rebounding. Imagine that."- Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 09:41

You're such an idiot.

Chrisisall

After the House did NOT vote on a 'bail out', the market did indeed rebound.

Dumbass, I posted a gorram FACT. There's not one god damn thing you can do/say/post which will refute that. Did the market continue that way ? Nope, never claimed it did. Curiously, the Senate passed it's own version of the bill, and then the House re-voted on its version and guessy whatty ? The market tanked and tanked.

You're the idiot, pin head.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 7:04 PM

America loves a winner!

Palin didn't lie. The Huffington Post is a well known far Left wing rag. Not doing exactly what a specific group wants done isn't proof of anyone lying. Did she jump at divesting in Sudan at the drop of a hat? Nope. Took a while, but Alaska eventually did, so what's the big deal ?

I wish the Left would grow the hell up .

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 3:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You parse your "facts" pretty carefully, don't you? If the whole canvas is blue but with one red spot, you'll point to the red spot.

If Bush used the term "mortal threat", "unique and growing threat" and said that Iraq was intending to hit us with WMD, and Scott McClellan used the term "imminent threat" you'll says See? Bush didn't use the term "imminent thread so he didn't lie!

If UN Resolution says Recalling all of our previous resolutions, we now decide to give Iraq a final chance to comply YOU'LL says See? The UN included its previous Resolutions be reference and therefore that means can could invade, totally ignoring the entire meaning of the Resolution!

If the market goes up ONE DAY but everything else is tanking, you'll cling to the one-day phenomenon.

You have not shown in this thread anything other than the fact that Obama once worked on a board with a guy and had occasional phone conversations. Heck, you can't even figure out what you're so lathered about!!

Rapo, for your own sanity's sake, please give up that heavy-duty filter between you and the rest of the world.

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:53 AM