A blow for Palin fans everywhere.... by MrBlueSun

It's lie, lies & more lies!! It ain't true, I tell ya...and, uh, even if it IS, she did what she thought was right, just like President Bush always does!! Laws apply only to average citizens- good leaders have to know how to get around them to get the good works done!
She is great * can do no wrong in the eyes of the dear & fluffy Lord.

I have spokenisall

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Friday, October 10, 2008 4:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA

*borrows Tonya Harding's favorite crowbar and smacks him in the ankle with it to remind him that women are, in general, evil.*

DoubleDoseOfSnarkinFrem.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 5:32 PM

SERGEANTX

Was I the only one, upon reading this thread title, to think that a 'blow' might be just what a lot of Palin's male supporters are hoping for?
SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Friday, October 10, 2008 5:34 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Does Palin have.......fans?

Couldnthappentoabetterpersonisall

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 10, 2008 5:46 PM

America loves a winner!

Mrs Palin acted within "proper and lawful authority.

end of story.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 10, 2008 6:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"for personal gain"

case closed

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:46 AM

I'm very proud of Sarah Palin and Todd Palin and the way they acted during this entire thing. Set aside the politics for one minute if you can. Stop and think clearly. Think about her sister, her nephew, and her father as just American citizens with civil rights. There's a father, a State Trooper who is an abusive dangerous loose cannon. He abuses the wife, tasers his own 10 year old son, he threatens to kill his wife and Sarah's father. The Palin's excersized tremendous restraint in their efforts to have him removed for Public Safety concerns. By any measure of justice and safety that Commissioner who she fired was just an arrogant bastard. He worked for her. He was simply insubordinate in defying her. That Trooper thought his closeness to the Governor gave him special priviledge to behave like a lunatic, threaten to kill people, DECLARE HIMSELF PROUDLY TO BE UNTOUCHABLE & LAUGH, and batter his son. That is far greater an abuse of power than anything the Palins did. Now he's being portayed as something akin to a born-again Tookie Wilson, a Mr. Nice Guy or something. What a pathetic and dis-honest ploy. Now, back to politics. You Dems are salivating like diseased vultures over a fresh corpse because you feel this will hurt her & McCain. Twenty-four days is plenty of time for this to be absorbed by voters. Sarah and Todd will tell their story and we'll see how America responds. The depth of this Trooper's cruelness and neaderthalism went a tad beyond what NBC news calls "a messy divorce." If it had been the Clintons back in Arkansas, that Trooper would have been quietly picked up by guys in trenchcoats and shot in the woods and dumped in the river.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:10 AM

AGENTROUKA

If this is true, why is trying to get him fired the only thing she did about it? Shouldn't the violence and threats have been reported and made public in the same way Sarah Palin's own actions were? Wouldn't it have been very simple to clear up this whole affair mentioning these things in the press?

Seems.. weird that all these very serious factors wouldn't be mentioned more by those who would stand to gain from it. Or has it? This is the first I ever heard about it.

ETA:

I found this article using google. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008
090503407_pf.html

Quotes:
"Wooten, however, contradicted Palin's statement that she overheard him in 2005 threaten her father during an argument with Palin's younger sister, Molly McCann, Wooten's wife at the time. Wooten noted that an internal investigation failed to sustain the death-threat allegation."

Also:
"He was found to have violated state policy for using a Taser on his 10-year-old son, killing a moose while using his wife's permit, drinking a beer before driving a state vehicle and having an open beer can in the vehicle."

Regarding the taser:

"He said his stepson became curious and wanted to feel the Taser in the same way that troopers tested the device on themselves during training.

"He was inquiring about the Taser and all the ins and outs about it," Wooten said. "I hooked him up to one of the training aides and turned it on for less than a second. I had him on the living room floor with pillows around him and made it as safe as possible. When it was over he thought it was great and wanted to do it all again. He was bragging about it and telling everyone in the family about it."

Jon Marc Peterson, one of Wooten's attorneys, said the Taser incident was a violation of policy because he was using state equipment for personal use. "It was not the actual Tasing of the stepson that was the issue," he said.

Wooten's wife was in the home at the time, investigative reports state. The boy's extended family, including Chuck Heath, the father of Sarah Palin, thought the story was humorous, Wooten said.

That's not quite the same as what your words imply.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:23 AM

Don't fret. All of the truth is coming out, and many of us Palin admirers have known all this since after the Convention. Even usually Dem slanted CNN went into it last night. I applaud them for that. The networks and MSNBC, the NY Times, and all the liberal machinery of the media just called it a messy divorce. Why else do you think the Palin's went ballistic in their efforts? Just a whim? What, the Trooper cheated at the family poker game? But they didn't really go ballistic. They acted with restraint and just talked to people. The State Troopers and the civilian adminstrators are a good old boys club. They weren't going to discipline this rogue threat the the citizens.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:33 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Jon Marc Peterson, one of Wooten's attorneys, said the Taser incident was a violation of policy because he was using state equipment for personal use. "It was not the actual Tasing of the stepson that was the issue," he said.

Glad you have the quotes and interpretations from Wooten and his attorney to shape your opinions. Now that your hatred of her is vindicated you can celebrate.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:37 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Jon Marc Peterson, one of Wooten's attorneys, said the Taser incident was a violation of policy because he was using state equipment for personal use. "It was not the actual Tasing of the stepson that was the issue," he said.

Glad you have the quotes and interpretations from Wooten and his attorney to shape your opinions. Now that your hatred of her is vindicated you can celebrate.

It was all I could find on short notice. Still haven't found anything else, but I'm not a gifted researcher. If you have other articles with more varied information, I'd be glad to read those.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Jon Marc Peterson, one of Wooten's attorneys, said the Taser incident was a violation of policy because he was using state equipment for personal use. "It was not the actual Tasing of the stepson that was the issue," he said.

Glad you have the quotes and interpretations from Wooten and his attorney to shape your opinions. Now that your hatred of her is vindicated you can celebrate.

It was all I could find on short notice. Still haven't found anything else, but I'm not a gifted researcher. If you have other articles with more varied information, I'd be glad to read those.

Your politeness is very refreshing. The reality of these things is that many times internal family conversations and actions are just that, un-witnessed family conversations, threatening rants and things. I tend to keep an open mind on these situations. There are countless examples of so-called pillars of the community who later turn out in fact to be brutes and monsters. One that comes to mind is that detective in Illinois, Peterson, who is highly suspected of killing his last 2 wives. He is still strutting around with a sickening arrogance. New forensics recently by Dr Baden, concluded that wife number 3 didn't drown in the bathtub, but was killed beforehand. Wife # 4 is still missing. It's a sad, all-too common pattern, abusive maniac cops who hide behind thier badge and their buddies. Wooten isn't a Peterson, but he is one of those cops who think of all of us civilians as little people.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:51 AM

WHOZIT

They're going to have to have a pic of her eatting a baby, if they want to get a story that over shadows the Stock Market. This is no "October Surpise", if no one cares about Obama and William Ayers, I dought anyone will give a shit about this. Sorry libs, but I know you'll keep trying.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:05 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
They're going to have to have a pic of her eating a baby

May I humbly attempt to top that gem by imagining that Obama supporters would cry for joy and do a dance if ever Sarah or Todd accidently dropped their baby, the baby that many Dems call a campaign prop? Maybe then they could bring back John Edwards from the trash heap to perform one of his world-famous legal channelings to the spirit world, and summon up a mystical retro-active late-term abortion for the child, therfore sparing them from the distaste of the whole situation.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:12 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
They're going to have to have a pic of her eating a baby

Wow Whoz, where'd you come up with that gem? I love it. May I humbly attempt to top it by imagining that Obama supporters would cry for joy if ever Sarah or Todd accidently dropped their baby? Maybe then they could bring back John Edwards from the trash heap to perform one of his world-famous legal channelings to the spirit world, and summon up a mystical retro-active late-term abortion for the child, therfore sparing them from the distaste of the whole situation.

My brilliant point is, (Now that the coffee has kicked in) the Stock Market crash "IS" the October surpise, for both the McCain & Obama camps. No one gives a rats ass over "Troopergate".

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:16 AM

Jongsstraw, stop fishing, we all know you're just trying to get people here riled up.

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
My brilliant point is, (Now that the coffee has kicked in) the Stock Market crash "IS" the October surpise, for both the McCain & Obama camps. No one gives a rats ass over "Troopergate".

Wow Whozit, I'm impressed! That indeed was a very good point. There may be potential for you yet, young grasshopper!

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:23 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
They're going to have to have a pic of her eating a baby

May I humbly attempt to top that gem by imagining that Obama supporters would cry for joy if ever Sarah or Todd accidently dropped their baby? Maybe then they could bring back John Edwards from the trash heap to perform one of his world-famous legal channelings to the spirit world, and summon up a mystical retro-active late-term abortion for the child, therfore sparing them from the distaste of the whole situation.
My brilliant point is, (Now that the coffee has kicked in) the Stock Market crash "IS" the October surpise, for both the McCain & Obama camps. No one gives a rats ass over "Troopergate".

The latest video of the Farrakhan sermon declaring Obama to be the Messiah to his flock of Muslims in sheets is quite a hoot too. Talking about the economy without stressing criminal prosecutions is useless. All the CEO's and corrupt politicians must be diligently prosecuted under every law statute they violated. Since this is nothing more than a theft of the wealth of America, and has threatened our national security, I'd like to see the politicians tried for treason as well.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:27 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Jongsstraw, stop fishing, we all know you're just trying to get people here riled up.

Who's the "we"? You speak for the vast majority I guess. That's nice for you. I write what I like. You don't like it, no problem.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:36 AM

RIVERLOVE

The ACORN thing will be Obama's undoing. Gave them $ 800,000 from his campaign. Was their former mentor. Was their attorney. They're under FBI investigation in 8 states for voter fraud. They been convicted dozens of times before. They keep getting millions of dollars from Liberals, their offices have been raided by FBI and state investigators, and there are now piles of brand new sworn statements and un-deniable evidence testifying to gross voter registration fraud, numbering in the the 10's of thousands. That's 10,000's of crimes and felonies, almost exclusively favoring Democrats. And committed by recruited and funded Democrat operatives in the field. What's worse? Someone stealing your vote, or stealing your money? Answer. Democrats stole them both. And I'm sorry Dems, but there's a very clear and straight line from these felonious vote stealers to Obama and his campaign.

And by the way, you Obama supporters were certainly correct in your arched-back indignation over Palin's use of the term Community Organizer for Obama. I can see why. That's some community! ACORN, AYERS, WRIGHT, FLEAGER, , and of course, the big daddy, the millionnaire slumlord of the community, Tony the Man REZKO. Obama sure drank from Rezko's fountain now, didn't he? All of these despicable human beings and organizations are hardly simple and innocent associations for Obama as is the often-heard pitiful defense, rather more a brotherhood of radical purpose, including deep involvements and working relationships, in harmony of spirit and cause, and with large financial connections as well. The man had NO judgement, he was one of them, but now he doesn't like any of them anymore. Contemplate that my friends when your're getting all spun about with Palin.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:47 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's lie, lies & more lies!! It ain't true, I tell ya...and, uh, even if it IS, she did what she thought was right, just like President Bush always does!! Laws apply only to average citizens- good leaders have to know how to get around them to get the good works done!
She is great * can do no wrong in the eyes of the dear & fluffy Lord.

I have spokenisall

Gov Palin acted in a proper and lawful manner. What about that don't you get? All the rest is merely political muck racking, and nothing more. Props to her for standing up to a guy who tazered a FREAKING 10 YR OLD! Smacks of what you folks keeping whining about as ' torture '. But when someone does something about it, you side w/ the dirt bags ???

Color me not shocked.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rapo, you're not getting the essential parts of the story. You're parsing facts (again) and picking only the parts you want to hear. There were twoparts to the enquiry: Did she exceed her authority, and did she abuse her authority?

Governor Pailin did not exceed her authority. In other words, as Governor, she had the AUTHORITY to fire (Public Safety Commissioner) Walt Monegan. That was the "proper and lawful" act.

However the REASON for the firing was at least partly personal, and that was where she abused the authority that she had.

Get it now?

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Props to her for standing up to a guy who tazered a FREAKING 10 YR OLD!

ETA: THe guy she fired did not taser anyone. He wasn't a policeman in the field at all, he was the Commissioner. Your post betrays a complete conflation of information into a useless jumble of factoids and spin.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:49 AM

For Aurap and Jonstraw,

Did the trooper have a casefile of police brutality investigations, all unsustained, were there a number of reports on record from citizens accusing him of this sort of behavior, that was being ignored by the commisioner she eventually fired?

Is there strong evidence that he was shirking his duty by not firing the trooper in question? This is a genuine question, because I don't have those facts myself, and I'm wondering, since you both know so much about the details, if either of you do, and if you could clarify that for me,

because if the commisioner had no cause to terminate the trooper, aside of the governor and her spouse telling him the guy was a bad cop , then he would have been just as guilty of abuse of authority, had he complied with their demands, right?

But a bipartisan panel found that she did in-fact abuse her authority, so it doesn't sound quite so like a political witch hunt to me, or are most of those republicans up there commie republicans because they are so close to russia?

...........

And I'm not sure what's to admire about the Palin's handling of this case. At first she said she welcomed the investigation, and then her and her handlers put great effort into getting it halted, stalled, dismissed...etc.

What a vast melting glacier of integrity they have to stand on.

by the way Jong,

that's an asshole thing to say, that we would celebrate if Palin dropped her baby. You talk to many of us on a regular basis.

I would never think the same of you, just because you lean republican dude...wow

..............

Just to ad,

if Palin did abuse her power,as has been decided by a bipartisan panel, yes I'm fucking thrilled that it has been discovered.

You have the chicken and the egg shit all mixed up Jong.

The very fact that Mccain picked a woman who was clearly not fully vetted says that he isn't country first, the very fact that Palin was cited as abusing her power and in all likelyhood did so is why I'm thrilled to see it come out. I wouldn't want the woman unfairly maligned,

but fairly characterized? You betcha

even while I was greatly amused by her inability to answer questions at her interviews(I was more offended, and even a little frightened) and part of me wanted the damn campaign to end at her debate, because she's already convinced me that she isn't capable of holding such a high office, I was actually somewhat happy that she got out of the debate with a slightly bolstered image. I think she was dragged into something over her head, and the lib in me truly started feeling sorry for her.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:51 AM

RIVERLOVE

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's lie, lies & more lies!! It ain't true, I tell ya...and, uh, even if it IS, she did what she thought was right, just like President Bush always does!! Laws apply only to average citizens- good leaders have to know how to get around them to get the good works done!
She is great * can do no wrong in the eyes of the dear & fluffy Lord.

I have spokenisall

There you go being all impishy again. I have a long-treasured Mxylptlyk Halloween costume, complete with green hat and cane of mischief, kept mint since 1966. Would you care to borrow it? I trust you.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:

by the way Jong,

that's an asshole thing to say, that we would celebrate if Palin dropped her baby.

I thought that was a bit over the top as well.

Look, EITHER Palin has no faith in law, due process, or or government in general (which would make her unfit to hold a high position in the government), or there's no real case against the trooper, only Palin's intense dislike of an arguably irritating dude ( which would make her unfit to hold a high position in the government).

So which is it?

Basically, I think she's unfit to hold a high position in the government, but then wtf do I know- I said the same about Bush, and look how good he worked out for us all.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:12 PM

So the report concluded that Palin acted within proper and lawful authority to fire a person she found to be unworthy of the state position because of her understanding of how he conducted his job in dealing with him in the past. It’s a non-issue. Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.

Oh those pesky technicalities....she was within her authority to fire Walt Monegan, who in turn was within his authority NOT to fire Mike Wooten.

But see, if she WASN'T within her authority, then the same action would have been WRONG, right?

Your objectivity is so subjective, Finn. You need a court case & a jury decision to label an obvious misuse of power as such. And even then you might label the decision as dubious.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:33 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So the report concluded that Palin acted within proper and lawful authority to fire a person she found to be unworthy of the state position because of her understanding of how he conducted his job in dealing with him in the past. It’s a non-issue. Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.

-- Cicero

Ditto. Non issue. Palin vindicated.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Your objectivity is so subjective, Finn. You need a court case & a jury decision to label an obvious misuse of power as such. And even then you might label the decision as dubious.

I think it’s your objectivity that is question here, as usual. Let’s look at this from a different point of view. I work in a certain department with several colleagues. Several of whom I personally don’t like, and one of which I found to be in opposition to the direction I think the department should go. Then one day I become department head. One of the first things that I’m going to do is make sure that everyone working under me is going to play ball, and if they don’t, I’m going to fire them. That’s my authority granted to me by my position, because that’s my job. Then someone come along and decides that since they don’t like my point of view of how the department should be run, they’ll ignore the pertinent issue that I had reason to believe that this person wasn’t going to work out in my department, and instead focus on the irrelevant issue that I personally didn’t like the guy. It don't change the fact that I did my job correctly.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:34 PM

Palin is found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics and lied about it.

Why am I not surprised that Republicans don't have a problem with that?

Edit: By the way, the McCain/Palin ticket now features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think it’s your objectivity that is question here, as usual.

LOL, look at this:

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Wasn't Monegan fired for poor performance?

Palin says so. She claimed in an Aug. 13 press conference that she was disappointed in budget issues, recruitment and Monegan's handling of rural bootlegging. On this last issue, however, there is a contradiction with statements she had made three weeks earlier, when she told local television station KTVA that she thought Monegan would make a great director of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board: "I recognize that Walt's interest in the area certainly could be put to good use," she said, "as he could concentrate exclusively on a couple of issues that were his interest, that being bootlegging and alcohol problems in rural Alaska."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1840675,00.html

Your predilection for irrelevance aside Finn, this should stink from either side of the aisle.
Funny how when Obama skeletons are discovered, I'm able to acknowledge them as well, but the Repos are all teflon-like to you.

isall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:47 PM

Finn and Auraptor, she was said to have abused her power by trying to apply pressure on the commisioner to fire Wooten,

It sounds like it was no slam dunk that she fired Monegan exclusively because of his refusal to comply with her demands. So the actual termination was not deemed outside of her right as governor. that doesn't change the fact that she acted inappropriately as Governor...I love how you guys intentionally weasel around the details.

Here are some more "non-issues," for people who apparently don't believe in issues when it comes to their candidates
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Source: AP

By GARANCE BURKE | Associated Press Writer
11:12 AM EDT, October 11, 2008
1 2 next WASILLA, Alaska (AP) _ The camera closes in on Sarah Palin speaking to young missionaries, vowing from the pulpit to do her part to implement God's will from the governor's office.

What she didn't tell worshippers gathered at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown was that her appearance that day came courtesy of Alaskan taxpayers, who picked up the $639.50 tab for her airplane tickets and per diem fees.

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.

Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.

Read more:

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-palin-...

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Palin is found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics and lied about it.

Why am I not surprised that Republicans don't have a problem with that?

SOP for GOP.

FYIisall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:48 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Palin is found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics and lied about it.

Why am I not surprised that Republicans don't have a problem with that?

Edit: By the way, the McCain/Palin ticket now features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

Don't even ask us go get into Joe's plagerism issues.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Your predilection for irrelevance aside Finn, this should stink from either side of the aisle.
Funny how when Obama skeletons are discovered, I'm able to acknowledge them as well, but the Repos are all teflon-like to you.

I see, Obama associates himself with terrorists and racists, and you claim that a governor doing her job is just as bad? Sounds to me, like you’re desperate to find anything to equalize an egregious imbalance in character between Palin and Obama. Maybe you should just accept the fact that Obama isn’t really the person you want to support in this election.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Finn and Auraptor, she was said to have abused her power by trying to apply pressure on the commisioner to fire Wooten,

It sounds like it was no slam dunk that she fired Monegan exclusively because of his refusal to comply with her demands. So the actual termination was not deemed outside of her right as governor. that doesn't change the fact that she acted inappropriately as Governor...I love how you guys intentionally weasel around the details.

In other words, Palin had reasons independent of her personal views to fire Monegan. Case closed.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:54 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm very proud of Sarah Palin and Todd Palin and the way they acted during this entire thing. Set aside the politics for one minute if you can. Stop and think clearly. Think about her sister, her nephew, and her father as just American citizens with civil rights. There's a father, a State Trooper who is an abusive dangerous loose cannon. He abuses the wife, tasers his own 10 year old son, he threatens to kill his wife and Sarah's father. The Palin's excersized tremendous restraint in their efforts to have him removed for Public Safety concerns. By any measure of justice and safety that Commissioner who she fired was just an arrogant bastard. He worked for her. He was simply insubordinate in defying her. That Trooper thought his closeness to the Governor gave him special priviledge to behave like a lunatic, threaten to kill people, DECLARE HIMSELF PROUDLY TO BE UNTOUCHABLE & LAUGH, and batter his son. That is far greater an abuse of power than anything the Palins did. Now he's being portayed as something akin to a born-again Tookie Wilson, a Mr. Nice Guy or something. What a pathetic and dis-honest ploy. Now, back to politics. You Dems are salivating like diseased vultures over a fresh corpse because you feel this will hurt her & McCain. Twenty-four days is plenty of time for this to be absorbed by voters. Sarah and Todd will tell their story and we'll see how America responds. The depth of this Trooper's cruelness and neaderthalism went a tad beyond what NBC news calls "a messy divorce." If it had been the Clintons back in Arkansas, that Trooper would have been quietly picked up by guys in trenchcoats and shot in the woods and dumped in the river.

That's great, thx for the clarification on how bad this guy was - what a jerk!
And good for her that she'll have had some experience with people like that because in her new job I've heard that some of them feriners peoples that hate us are kind of tough to deal with too, like that guy from Iran - bet he'd taser his son! She'll set him straight! Or at least get him in the news papers where he'll be all embarrassed and and end up apologizin'! I bet them Iranies hate banjo music too!

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I see, Obama associates himself with terrorists and racists

Exaggerate it why don't ya?

Hey- did you take over Finn's IP, AURaptor??
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH FINN!?!?!?!

This is so beyond my comprehension...Finn used to be quite logical...

OUR NEXT ARGUMENT:
I say Ceiling Cat in the fourth!

isall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:02 PM

Finn, Bill Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. There are a lot of people who have or have had contact with him, particularly, surprisingly, people in the field of education, as Obama did when he was working on education reform in Illinois. The Republican mayor Daley released this statement ( http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/mayor-daley-speaks-out/):

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Mayor Daley Speaks Out

STATEMENT OF MAYOR RICHARD M. DALEY REGARDING SENATOR BARACK OBAMA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILL AYERS:

There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.

I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.

I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.

I have to be honest with you, Finn, I expected more from you. You're too smart to buy into the hate- and fear-mongering by the McCain camp.

But if you think association-by-guilt is fair game, please explain to us why Todd Palin was a long-time member of the AIP.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is so beyond my comprehension...Finn used to be quite logical...

Yes, he was, I'm also very confused, it's not like him ...

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Finn,

you did it again,

and why do you keep doing it, really?

It is possible she had more than that reason to fire him. it is even possible that she fired him for other reasons entirely, according to the current findings,

those same findings that determined that she ABUSED HER POWER when trying to force the commisioner to cave to her demands.

Republicans, and Democrats together sided this way. CASE CLOSED.

why can't you at least be stand up enough to admit that she was ethically in the wrong there?

You aren't adressing it, you're just glossing over it.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:

why can't you at least be stand up enough to admit that she was ethically in the wrong there?

I'm tellin' ya, AU is posting as Finn...or at the very least, Finn's mind is being controlled by the Mah-shins.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:07 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I see, Obama associates himself with terrorists and racists
Exaggerate it why don't ya?

Well there is a person who is a terrorist and a person is a racist that Obama has been associated with – that’s not an exaggeration. The nature of that association has been argued, but the associations themselves have been admitted by Obama. These are some of the skeletons that have been pulled out of Obama’s closet, which I find far more disturbing then Palin exercising her rightful authority as governor to fire a person for reasons independent of her personals views.

Find something else. Because this doesn’t even start to equate to Obama’s skeletons.

But the cat picture is pretty cool.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:10 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
It is possible she had more than that reason to fire him

It doesn’t make any difference whether she did or not, objectively. She had reasons for firing the guy independent of her personal views. So it doesn’t really make any difference what her personal views are, accept that it gives people opportunities to play politics.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:12 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't even ask us go get into Joe's plagerism issues.

Okay, I won't.

So are you proud of having two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards? It must give you such a nice, warm, comforting feeling deep inside, right?

The Republican Party really has become the party that hates intelligence and competence, and it's not me who's saying that, that's from David Brooks ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slog
in).

You love Reagan so much, do you think he would've approved of this type of campaigning? Heck, he and Nancy distanced themselves from McCain after he left his first wife because even then they thought he was too unethical as a person.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Palin exercising her rightful authority as governor to fire a person for reasons independent of her personals views.

?????
Finn, you DON'T and CAN'T know that (sound familiar there?

), why can YOU 'KNOW' something like that & others can't? Grandiosity much?

Yeah, the cat picture is cool, I happened upon itisall

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:13 PM

ignored the kernal about Palin abusing power again, I see.

want to go for another post? I bet you could do it all day.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:15 PM

Chris is right, AURaptor got a hold of Finn's log-in details somehow, I don't recognize this Finn at all. Or maybe it IS Finn, and he's sold is soul in pursuit of grand power for the GOP ... much like McCain himself ... poetic ...

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
She had reasons for firing the guy independent of her personal views.

Yeah, she, uh, thought he could recruit better, and uh, his budgets needed work- sounds like firin' territory to me!

You SO know you're wrong on this one Finn. You put up a good act, though.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, you DON'T and CAN'T know that (sound familiar there?), why can YOU 'KNOW' something like that & others can't? Grandiosity much?

I also can’t know that she abused her authority. You’re putting faith in the outcome of an investigation that could very likely be politically motivated. All I’m saying is that

1. as governor she was within her rightful authority to fire the guy, that much I know

and

2. She had reasons independent of her personal views that much is admitted to by the investigation.

So the investigation states that she abused her authority because she had personal reasons for firing Monegan, while at the same time stating that there were legitimate reasons. But if there were legitimate reasons then what difference to the personal reasons make? I can only fire people I like?????? No. I can fire people I don’t like. I just have to have a reason for it, which evidently Palin did.

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Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:31 PM