Conservatives for Change by PhoenixRose

PR - check this out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-hirshberg/republicans-voting-for-ob
_b_136997.html

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:33 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Yep, that's where I initially read about it. Some very interesting articles around there in general. I particularly like the series of 'Body Politic' write-ups on body language in the campaign.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:36 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

If Republicans want to keep their govt jobs, they're required to vote for illegal alien Hussein Obama.

That's how Gangsta Govt works.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:37 AM

Pirate

take your meds dude.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:40 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

well, i think there will be ice hockey in hell before Kansas ever goes from red to blue - but the country does seem to be trending towards Barack and away from the negative campaign of McCain/Palin - November 4th should be an interesting evening of television - (the race to call the winner is a hoot)

btw: my birthday is in November - an Obama presidency is my only wish... (now blow out the candles....ack)

edit: and check out these rosy numbers:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:43 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
well, i think there will be ice hockey in hell before Kansas ever goes from red to blue

I think you're likely right about that, I was just pointing at my own example in my own life. Four votes in Kansas is not going to turn the whole state, but it amazed me that any of my relatives there would vote for Obama at all.
What I do think is that I may just see my own state turn blue for the first time in memory, and that's pretty exciting.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:43 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Now, quick question...

If it were OBAMA vs. RON PAUL...

who would YOU vote for?

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:52 AM

Obama

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:59 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now, quick question...

If it were OBAMA vs. RON PAUL...

who would YOU vote for?

As far as I could tell, I agree with Ron Paul on maybe - maybe - 5% of issues. Obama is in the 75-80% range. So yeah.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:01 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I was just pointing at my own example in my own life. Four votes in Kansas is not going to turn the whole state, but it amazed me that any of my relatives there would vote for Obama at all.

I didn't mean to disparage your relatives - it's great that they would vote for Obama, it's just that i live in a red state too, and i know how hard it is for people to change. We have made some inroads into the republican machine here, but here's the thing - we had W for our governor before he landed in the White House - and, believe it or not, he still has plenty of support here -

Some folks go through life with blinders on and will never change.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:34 AM

I live in freaking Alabama. In Baldwin County, I don't think one could be in a "redder" place....and yet, I see them cropping up - them Obama/Biden signs. There is even a HUGE 6 ft x 8 ft sign that someone made right on Hwy 59. I know a lot of McCain supporters here that started questioning his platform as soon as he picked Palin. I told them at the time that I thought it was his way of having a reason why he didn't win (if he doesn't). (knocking on wood no jinxsy!)

Anyway. I am voting for Hope. Cause we need it, no matter what color state you are in.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:39 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Anyway. I am voting for Hope."

Oh, good Lord.....

No wonder people are calling him the Libs "messiah"....

*sigh

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:44 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
At least five of my friends have lifelong conservative/republican relatives who are voting for Obama....

If only a conservative writer would come along to make a counter argument:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008
102302867_pf.html

H

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:47 AM

America loves a winner!

No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives. Might be Republicans, as there are plenty of Liberl Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:50 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"No wonder people are calling him the Libs "messiah"...."

Then 'people' are wrong.

It's blanket assumptions like these (which you make quite frequently, and ALWAYS to the detriment of liberals and / or Obama) that show what you really think, Wulf.

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Silence is consent.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Anyway. I am voting for Hope."

Oh, good Lord.....

No wonder people are calling him the Libs "messiah"....

*sigh

and who, precisely, is calling him "Messiah". Would that be the hate mongering Fox News people?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Anyway. I am voting for Hope."

Oh, good Lord.....

No wonder people are calling him the Libs "messiah"....

*sigh

and who, precisely, is calling him "Messiah". Would that be the hate mongering Fox News people?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

I've yet to hear anyone but a rageing republican say that about Obama.

And they love saying it, over and over. But that's how they do things - repeat the line untill enough people think it's true.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 24, 2008 11:18 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives. Might be Republicans, as there are plenty of Liberl Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.

Given how many of you "conservatives" voted for Mr. Spend and Spend, expand government, infringe of civic rights Bush....

I'd say there aren't many true conservatives left. None on this board, far as I can tell.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 24, 2008 11:20 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"and who, precisely, is calling him "Messiah". Would that be the hate mongering Fox News people?"

It reminds me of all the repubican complaints about EVERYone 'attacking' Palin - when in fact there were no 'attacks' at all. And of course the 'liberal' media never seems to do any fact-checking, just parrots every little repubican claim. Take for example this little headline (yes, headline) from yesterday: McCain: Obama Will ‘Say Anything to Get Elected’.

Well, that's one way to manufacture news, as long as the media is in your pocket.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 11:39 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives. Might be Republicans, as there are plenty of Liberl Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.

Isn't it John McCain's party that just nationalized the banking system? *That's* something only socialists would do. And calling Obama a socialist just shows that you have no fracking clue what socialism is.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I'd say there aren't many true conservatives left. None on this board, far as I can tell.

Yep.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Obama vs Ron Paul

Are you kidding!? 538-0.

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Again, I have valid concerns about properly limiting his authority - I think we've all had enough of a "unitary executive" don't ya think ?

And to push the edge when given power, that's just a natural instinct for us humans, when you think about it.

So please, please, for the love of mercy, don't let the fact that you like the guy, or his policies, blind you to the pressing need to show him where the limits are, that was a disaster with Shrub, and it'd be a disaster with Obama, should you let it happen.

No matter how much you want a certain agenda or policy carried out, those rules are there for damned good reasons, need I point out the past eight years again as an example of why ?

DO NOT let go of the leash folks, not even for a minute, or mark my words, the beast of politics will bite you squarely on the ass shortly thereafter.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 3:58 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
If Republicans want to keep their govt jobs, they're required to vote for illegal alien Hussein Obama.

That's how Gangsta Govt works.

So then it's safe to assume that Hero and Finn will be voting Obama, eh?

M

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Friday, October 24, 2008 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives. Might be Republicans, as there are plenty of Liberl Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

You did. Twice. Bush came to office a "social conservative" and he's leaving office as a "conservative socialist". Say what you will, but you know goddam well that if Clinton had nationalized the banks in the wake of their collapse, you'd be SCREAMING "Socialism! Socialism!" at the top of your lungs. So face it - you voted Socialist. Twice.

Deal w/it.

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 4:26 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I found the "No Conservative would Vote Socialist" line humorous.

The fact is, neither of the big parties, Republican or Democrat, has a viable conservative candidate running for President at this time. Ron Paul was it, and he barely made a scratch.

If you vote for Mccain, you will be endorsing non-conservative policies. The Republicans have fallen so far from 'Conservative' ideals that they are no longer deserving of the moniker. We have twisted and misappropriated the label 'Conservative' in order to equate it with the label 'Republican', but the two now have very little in common. Even the word 'Republican' itself bears little resemblance to the 'Republican' of old.

Big Government, Big Wars, and Big Spending and Freedom Meddling are not 'Conservative' ideals. But those are the fruits of the Republican party's last several years of dominance.

It is no longer a choice between 'Conservative' or 'Liberal' or 'Democrat' or 'Republican' or 'Socialist' or 'Capitalist.'

It is a much simpler and scarier choice.

Who will rape the fewest number of inputs while using the highest quantity of vaseline?

This is what the current regime has brought us to. It's brought us to the point where some Republicans feel compelled to vote Democrat, merely to mitigate the catastrophic influx of water into this sinking ship.

Just like a pacifist can be moved to kill under the right circumstances, a conservative can be moved to support a socialist under the right circumstances. All it takes is a ludicrously comical set of horribly unlikely variables. I call those variables "2001-2008."

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, October 24, 2008 5:10 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives. Might be Republicans, as there are plenty of Liberl Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.

Given how many of you "conservatives" voted for Mr. Spend and Spend, expand government, infringe of civic rights Bush....

I'd say there aren't many true conservatives left. None on this board, far as I can tell.

McCain was for the tax cuts, but NOT for the spending. Voting for Bush was the lesser of 2 evils. The fact that I vote for Harry Browne in 2000 , and not Bush is my saving grace, I suppose.

And when you speak of infringe on civic rights , you're including previous Democrtatic Administrations, correct ? The Echelon program was operating under Clinton, long before Bush ever thought of running.

"...Everything from--from data transfers to cell phones to portable phones to baby monitors to ATMs... "

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Friday, October 24, 2008 5:19 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You did. Twice. Bush came to office a "social conservative" and he's leaving office as a "conservative socialist". Say what you will, but you know goddam well that if Clinton had nationalized the banks in the wake of their collapse, you'd be SCREAMING "Socialism! Socialism!" at the top of your lungs. So face it - you voted Socialist. Twice.

Deal w/it.

Mike

Not once, to be factual, did I vote for a conservative socialist. W never campaigned as being a socialist, while Gore and Kerry, if they didn't call themselves that, were far closer to the mark. Obama's wanting to " spread the wealth around " comes right out of Karl Marx's Manifesto - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 5:48 PM

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Not once, to be factual, did I vote for a conservative socialist. W never campaigned as being a socialist, while Gore and Kerry, if they didn't call themselves that, were far closer to the mark.

Of the three, WHICH ONE moved to nationalize the banks? Sounds like a socialist to me, or "far closer to the mark" than you'd have us believe. And you've done nothing but support him - and McCain, who also voted for the bailout - so you do indeed support socialists.

And for the record, Gore, Kerry, and Obama have never campaigned as "socialists", nor have they ever run as candidates of the Socialist Party, so by your own words and logic, supporting them isn't supporting socialism.

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 7:12 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Not once, to be factual, did I vote for a conservative socialist. W never campaigned as being a socialist, while Gore and Kerry, if they didn't call themselves that, were far closer to the mark.

Of the three, WHICH ONE moved to nationalize the banks? Sounds like a socialist to me, or "far closer to the mark" than you'd have us believe. And you've done nothing but support him - and McCain, who also voted for the bailout - so you do indeed support socialists.

And for the record, Gore, Kerry, and Obama have never campaigned as "socialists", nor have they ever run as candidates of the Socialist Party, so by your own words and logic, supporting them isn't supporting socialism.

Mike

Of the three ? Hell, only ONE was President, and only in the last few months of office, when an crisis erupted, did this happen. Voting for those who agreed on the one time bail out does not equate to " supporting socialist ". Gore , Kerry and Obama have most certainly run on policies which cater more toward Socialist, from carbon credits to 'spreading the wealth around', raising windfall taxes NOT because it would increase revenue to the Gov't, but because it would be " more fair " . THAT'S socialism, my friend.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 8:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Not once, to be factual, did I vote for a conservative socialist. W never campaigned as being a socialist, while Gore and Kerry, if they didn't call themselves that, were far closer to the mark.

Of the three, WHICH ONE moved to nationalize the banks? Sounds like a socialist to me, or "far closer to the mark" than you'd have us believe. And you've done nothing but support him - and McCain, who also voted for the bailout - so you do indeed support socialists.

And for the record, Gore, Kerry, and Obama have never campaigned as "socialists", nor have they ever run as candidates of the Socialist Party, so by your own words and logic, supporting them isn't supporting socialism.

Mike

Of the three ? Hell, only ONE was President, and only in the last few months of office, when an crisis erupted, did this happen. Voting for those who agreed on the one time bail out does not equate to " supporting socialist ". Gore , Kerry and Obama have most certainly run on policies which cater more toward Socialist, from carbon credits to 'spreading the wealth around', raising windfall taxes NOT because it would increase revenue to the Gov't, but because it would be " more fair " . THAT'S socialism, my friend.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Nationalizing the banks -THAT is socialism, my friend. Your claim was that you never voted for any socialist, and that no REAL conservative ever would, and that Dubya never campaigned as a socialist. Stick to the facts - HAS OBAMA EVER CAMPAIGNED AS THE SOCIALIST PARTY CANDIDATE? Did Kerry? Gore? You claim that Bush didn't, and by implication try to indicate that the others DID.

You further claim that Obama runs a campaign that "caters more toward Socialist" - which in your eyes makes him a Socialist. But to say that one person's ideals lean more toward socialism than another's doesn't equate to that person being a full-blown socialist, does it, any more than if I were to say that since Bush tends to lean more toward fascism than Obama, Bush is a de facto Fascist. So which is it? Is Bush a fascist, or is yours a weak argument?

In plain and simple facts and deeds, Bush has done more to "socialize" the government than anyone in recent memory. You seem to be willing to excuse that, because it's late in his term and there's a crisis. That's not an excuse, it's just a handy reason, and there's ALWAYS a crisis when you want to radically reshape government.

And McCain supported it, even going so far as to "suspend" his campaign to rush to Washington to help set it up.

So if you're supporting McCain, Palin, and Bush, then you are indeed supporting socialism. You might argue that it's "necessary" socialism, or a "necessary evil", but it's socialism all the same, and your blanket statements that "No conservatives are ever going to vote for a Socialist. If so, they're not conservatives" are just bluster and hyperbole.

Also, you rail against those in America who "pay no taxes"; tell me, if you want them to pay taxes so you can cut taxes to the rich, aren't you just "spreading the wealth around", which is socialism by your very own definition of the word?

Or are you merely referring to Democrats as "socialist" because that's what your party hacks tell you to say?

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 8:25 PM

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Just like a pacifist can be moved to kill under the right circumstances, a conservative can be moved to support a socialist under the right circumstances. All it takes is a ludicrously comical set of horribly unlikely variables. I call those variables "2001-2008."

Anthony, you nailed it.

ALL of our candidates have some socialistic tendencies, even good ol' Teddy Roosevelt. How else would you describe creating "National Parks" that take private land away from landowners and nationalize it for the greater good of the public? That, my friends, is socialism. Is it automatically evil, then?

Mike

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:23 PM