Obama Supporters. by Wulfenstar

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"The truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle."

The Holocaust killed millions of Jews.
There was no Holocaust.

Is the truth somewhere in the middle ?

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The truth is where you find it.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:13 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Rue,

Yes.

But not in the way you want it to be.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:18 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

THIS FROM AP

McCain volunteer made up robbery story
By JOE MANDAK – 39 minutes ago

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PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer made up a story of being robbed, pinned to the ground and having the letter "B" scratched on her face in a politically inspired attack. Maurita Bryant, the assistant chief of the police department's investigations division, says 20-year-old Ashley Todd is being charged with making a false report to police.

Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iidrMKZwVNDDlEtkssY6t1xxhg9QD9411DE
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Well, she and Joe the Plumber can go stand in the corner together.

When I saw the photo I kinda looked at it and thought: Backwards??? Gee, that's pretty literate for a common bank-robber.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:24 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
What was her motivation?

Hate and fear.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:25 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And that's the problem with trying to use facts with people who are ideologically driven - like you, Wulf. You don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

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Wulf
The truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle.

Rue
The Holocaust killed millions of Jews.
There was no Holocaust.
Is the truth somewhere in the middle ?

Wulf
Rue,
Yes.
But not in the way you want it to be.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:25 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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"I imagine she's also persecuted for her faith in Jesus. Christians are so reviled and defiled in our nation, as you are well aware."

Yep, just like blacks are persecuted for being black in America...- Wulf

So Xtians are reviled and victimized by the (small number of) atheists who actually behave in a way that is more Xtian than Xtians, while blacks are reviled and victimized by (the much larger number of) whites, browns and yellows who feel at least some latent racism against blacks. Yeah, I can see that would be an equivalent experience!

ETA: Being the victim of any sort of "ism"- racism, sexism, ageism - is ALWAYS uncomfortable for the victim. As a short older white female progressive atheist I've been the target of various "isms", some of which were just momentarily scary and others which have had a long-lasting effect on my finances and prospects.

For the most part, the temporary stuff is just that. But if you live in a pervasive atmosphere of suspicision to downright hostility which effects your housing, education, social interactions, probability of being stopped and/or arrested... well, that's something else. Something which I do not believe Xtians experience on a day-to-day basis.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:38 AM

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Rue,

If you say so.

But, let me elaborate on my earlier point.

The truth is always somewhere in the Middle.

Did the Holocaust happen? YES.

Was it evil? YES.

Was it confined to just the Jewish race? NO.

Did the Holocaust wipe out 6 million Jews? MAYBE.

What do I mean by that?

The Hollocaust wiped out millions of PEOPLE. These included, but were not limited to, gypsies, the mentally/physically handicapped, blacks, and social/political disidents.

How did it become a strictly Jewish Holocuast?

How EXACTLY did they arrive at the 6 million number?

Do I believe that millions of Jews were killed? YES

Do I think they know or are willing to say the real number? NO.

Point of fact, I dont think its really possible to know how many were killed/fled/died.

Before, during, and after WW2, Europe was a mess. They can't keep accurate account of where and who people are NOW, could they THEN?

So YES the Holocaust happened. NO it was NOT confined to JUST the Jewish people. YES, others were killed during it. NO, they don't have accurate figures on the death toll. YES, the death toll was in the MILLIONS.

YES, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:44 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

The Holocaust killed millions of Jews.
There was no Holocaust.

By your own words, you're going with "The Holocaust killed millions of Jews."

I didn't say ONLY Jews were killed, I didn't say how MANY millions of Jews were killed (just that it was more than 1M, hence plural, millions), I didn't say WHEN it started and when it ended.

While there may be a larger truth than "The Holocaust killed millions of Jews", it is in fact the truth that it happened, and the truth is NOT somewhere in between that and "There was no Holocaust".

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:44 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

well,

I'm not sure about that...

the truth is wherever the hell the truth happens to be...(empirical truth, not truthiness)

the truth could be further to the left, or further to the right than anybody has considered. the truth could not be found in the middle of the sun revolves around the earth, and appolo rides the sun across the sky in his chariot. Both are wrong, and the truth is elsewhere.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:54 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Righteous,

Lol, yes you ARE correct.

However, that leads to another question.

Where did the Universe come from?

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Friday, October 24, 2008 9:58 AM

gas balls

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:07 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Gas balls"

Ok.

Im not a Creationist, mind, but I do feel that BOTH religion and Science have a place in our understanding of the Universe(s).

Again, in the middle somewhere.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:08 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/mccain-palin-and-the-luci_b_136
572.html

Just throwin' that out there. McCain supporters.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ummm.... not always. Two propositions:

2+2=4
2+2=22

Does this mean that 2+2=13?

Just to modify your statement that the truth is not always between positions.... it may be at completely right angles, or even further out than you anticipate. But truth is often complicated. The question is: how does one even see the truth? We all view the world thru pretty heavy-duty filters made of assumption, expectation, even physical predisposition. (A flight of stairs looks completely different to a wheelie and a traceur.)

And how do we know the truth when we see it?

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Where did the Universe come from?

Late breaking news this hour... Theories on birth of universe supported by discovery of gargantuan extragalactic vagina... pictures at 10...

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:18 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Does this mean that 2+2=13?"

It can. Maybe. If by "13" you meant 1 + 3, but forgot the addition sign....

However, you make a good point.

Truth is not always in the middle of 2 opposing viewpoints.

How about:
Truth is usually in the middle, in terms of our political system.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:21 AM

no dude, truth is absolute.... period

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:22 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Truth is, we may never know the truth of truth...

(OOOOOWWWWWWW BRAIN CRAMP!)

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:29 AM

it's a life long quest..

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:30 AM

truth is often in the eye of the beholder

Fact is absolute.

Truth is subjective.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:33 AM

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Not true...because "facts" are often held to be true by belief.

Many moons ago, people believe it to be a fact that the sun revolved around the earth....

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:47 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

There are facts, and then there is perception. The facts don't change, even if perception does.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:49 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/mccain-palin-and-the-luci_b_136
572.html

Just throwin' that out there. McCain supporters.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

That's a brilliant and chilling article - thx for posting.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:56 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
But Palin is the single most negative factor right now of the Mccain campaign Hero...

I think you are mistaken. Pre-Palin there were days when McCain showed up and was greeted by one local reporter (happened in Columbus in late July). Now 15,000 people just showed up at a local rally...to see Palin and the fella she's running with. I was there...it was Palin we came to see. 70% of us didn't vote for McCain in the primary...it was Palin that got us on our feet screaming that yes, we're all Joe the Plumber.

Palin energized the Republican campaign. The convention was over, dead, cancelled. The election was doomed to fail. Then Palin came along a lit a fire under the Republicans setting the stage for McCain to make his case.

The liberals (and dissaffected Republicans) have been saying this stuff about Palin since the day she was announced. Remember those articles about how she would drop out before the nomination or that she'd be quickly replaced since she was such a bad choice. I don't know anybody who could go through what she did that week between her announcement and her speech that could do what she did.

The idea that Palin is dragging the ticket is just plain wrong (which is why it made the papers). Its like that business of Palin not talking to the media, when the fact is she's done more interviews than Barrack, McCain, and Biden combined...Biden hasn't done a press conferance in more then a month, headline 'Palin Not Accessable to Media'.

Not to mention the blatent sexism in the coverage of her. Not many stories on Biden's hair and clothes...and just what is up with his wife and kids? Don't know? That's because there hasn't been much coverage of them...

H

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Friday, October 24, 2008 10:56 AM

facts are facts Wulf, belief is belief.

They BELIEVED the world was flat because they did not know better.

We know for a FACT that it is not.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, October 24, 2008 12:17 PM

EVILDINOSAUR

The alleged attackee has now said that she made it all up, so, Mccain supporters, nuff said

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Friday, October 24, 2008 1:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I have a maybe weird defintion of "truth", and I think the problem is that "lie" is not the exact opposite of "truth".

IMHO "truth" is how close your understanding is to reality. IMHO a better term would be "accuracy". A "fact" is a limited truth: it is an accurate representation of part of the picture, but not the whole picture. A "lie" is a deliberate misreprentation of what you believe is the truth. Since we will never fully grasp "the truth" most human statements lie somewhere between "facts" and "lies": "misunderstandings"

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Friday, October 24, 2008 1:58 PM

or as George Costanza would say...
"Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."

seems to work for Karl, W, Cheney & gang...

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:16 PM

SIMONWHO

Congrats to Wulf for finding the perfect metaphor for this election: Republicans so desperate that they'll cut into their own face to spite the Obama supporter.

I also agree that she's the perfect Republican: mentally unstable, has no idea what is good for her, willing to stir up race hate, backed people those who have little to no interest in the facts.

Once again, full marks Wulfy!

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:27 PM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Congrats to Wulf for finding the perfect metaphor for this election: Republicans so desperate that they'll cut into their own face to spite the Obama supporter.

I also agree that she's the perfect Republican: mentally unstable, has no idea what is good for her, willing to stir up race hate, backed people those who have little to no interest in the facts.

Once again, full marks Wulfy!

pwned!

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 2:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Toldja it was BS, there were too many glaring holes in that tale for it to fly.

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(As a side note..her being a Republican and NOT having a gun on her? WTF?)

That one crossed my mind too, but not everyone chooses to carry, whether they have the right or not, and a lot of localities make getting a CCW near impossible, alas...

Still, most of the girls I know woulda blown a hole in his ass right quick, the ONLY one who carries a caliber starting with a number less than "4" happens to be an 82 year old catholic sweetheart and former nun, in fact.

Not to sound a bit reverse-sexist, but I've noticed women in general once they decide to carry prefer something a little more... err, serious, than a 9Mil.

As for "hate crimes" that's always been ridiculous, I care more about whether or not a crime is committed, and how to prevent it, than to really give a shit about the motivation - cause in the end that matters damned little to the victim.

Oh, and FYI - while she would not admit it, one reason for Miss Malkins seemingly radical turnaround lately is that she got "a better offer" a'la Jaybe, to shill for a different side, is all.

You'd be a fool to lay any real trust in someone who's only loyalty is to who can shell out the best bribes, just sayin.

And one last little bit...

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There are facts, and then there is perception. The facts don't change, even if perception does.

Even that is not quite exactly true.

At the time of the accident that near killed me, it was a fact that there was no prosthetic technology available to me that would enable me to walk again.

There is now, partly cause of advancements in the field, and partly cause of the efforts of a bunch of lunatics who were willing to take the crack brained ideas of a desperate man and turn them into a reality.

I don't think any truth is absolute...

Except, maybe, that chug-a-lugging a half melted bowl of ice cream can be shockingly painful when that headache hits you, fekkin OW OW OW, dammit.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 3:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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seems to work for Karl, W, Cheney & gang...

Nah. The only one stupid enuf to believe the swill is Bush. Poor guy.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 3:21 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

In the history books he'll be the one left holding the bag. Well, he wanted to be president. All he had to do was do whatever they told him.

I guess it must have seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 4:16 PM

i've just been watching the Rachel Maddow show - (i heart her)...
There was a segment dealing with the seeming lack of cohesion of the McCain campaign as of late - advisors jumping ship - letting things slip to the press that probably shouldn't be and a general sense of disorganization, and it occurred to me - the Bush doctrine is working. Not the "screw you, we'll bomb who we want, any time we want" doctrine that sexy Sarah didn't know jack about, but the plan to dominate the world by spreading stupidity. It appears that we have dumbed down so much that it's hard to find anyone qualified to run a presidential campaign.

Glad i didn't drink that kool-aid....

and yes, i know she's gay.... i still heart her

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Friday, October 24, 2008 5:55 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Sure thing Future.

These type of people are YOUR constiuants.

The lowest of the low. The most ignorant of the ignorant.

In other words,

The animals.

Point of fact, Wulf, these type of people - those who would fake an attack in hopes of gaining sympathy for their flailing and failing candidate - are YOUR constituents. The lowest of the low, and the most ignorant of the ignorant.

In other words,

The McCain supporters.

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 5:56 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

or as George Costanza would say...
"Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."

seems to work for Karl, W, Cheney & gang...

Works great for 'Rappy, too.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
How many cars with Bush stickers have been run off the road or keyed in the past 8 years?

Not enough?

Just kidding.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:10 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

At East TN's big annual GOP rally in the Knoxville colluseum, it looked empty despite free food, free bands and free TVs. Not even a single political speech to rally the troops. Just politicians shaking hands for 4 hours, most of whom abandoned ship after 1 hour to party with the hookers.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Not many stories on Biden's hair and clothes...and just what is up with his wife and kids? Don't know? That's because there hasn't been much coverage of them...

H

What family? The family Biden killed in a DUI crash at Chappaquiddick?

Magic Bullet Man

What so funny President LBJ?

"President Biden has a nice ring to it...

I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:15 PM

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Point of fact, I dont think its really possible to know how many were killed/fled/died.

Before, during, and after WW2, Europe was a mess. They can't keep accurate account of where and who people are NOW, could they THEN?

The main thing you've got going against you on this one is plain and simple facts. The main reason it was so damned easy to round up so many of the Nazis and convict them of war crimes was because they kept such intricate, detailed records of their deeds. The numbers widely agreed on are the ones that the Third Reich actually has RECORDS of - the real number is, if anything, quite a bit higher.

And it became "the JEWISH Holocaust" because the Reich referred to it as their "final solution to the Jewish problem." The Nazis themselves put the name on it.

But you are right in pointing out that a great many people OTHER than Jews were killed as well. Best counts on those numbers put them at five million. But the number of people who were killed solely for being Jewish is more than six million - more than all the other groups combined. THAT is why it's a JEWISH Holocaust - because the main target of it was the Jews, and the main aim was to wipe them from the face of the Earth forever.

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
i've just been watching the Rachel Maddow show - (i heart her)...
There was a segment dealing with the seeming lack of cohesion of the McCain campaign as of late - advisors jumping ship - letting things slip to the press that probably shouldn't be and a general sense of disorganization, and it occurred to me - the Bush doctrine is working. Not the "screw you, we'll bomb who we want, any time we want" doctrine that sexy Sarah didn't know jack about, but the plan to dominate the world by spreading stupidity. It appears that we have dumbed down so much that it's hard to find anyone qualified to run a presidential campaign.

Glad i didn't drink that kool-aid....

and yes, i know she's gay.... i still heart her

The viewers seem to heart her, too (and I'm among them) - her ratings have been beating O'Reilly's lately, and she's even beaten her mentor Olbermann some nights. He may have created a monster!

I liked her radio show when we still had Air America here in Austin, and I like her TV show even better.

And yes, just like the Khmer Rouge, the Khmer Rove has set about denouncing "intellectuals" until they've been left with nobody smart enough to run things the way they want them.

Mike

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Only 600,000 "jews" died in WW2, mostly by starvation and disease.

The US publisher of this book is in prison in ZioNazi Germany, where Truth is never a legal defense, and habeus corpus is dead in Knoxville Tennessee:

DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE?
www.zundelsite.org/english/harwood/Didsix01.html

55-million total died in WW2.

The REAL Holocaust had nothing to do with jews, unless you count Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber Rothschild and the other 150,000 Khazar AshkeNAZI non-Semitic jews who ran Nazi Germany, the Gestapo and the Final Solution, to "jusitfy" stealing a Zionist Israel from Palestine, to creat a Jew World Odor, with Jerusalem as its world capital. Just like their false flag attacks on Germany in Operations Himmler, Canned Goods and Reichstag Fire.

The Jew World Odor just perped a $5-trillion bank robbery, and the sheeple still sit there in a stupor and take it up the tailpipe. Amazing. Only $5-Quad-Drillion in derivatives to go.

The Protocols of Zion 33rd Degree were right. Goyim are stupid cattle.
www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

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Friday, October 24, 2008 7:23 PM

Okay, so to sum up:

A woman was allegedly attacked in Western Pennsylvania and had a "B" scratched into her face, all for having a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car. She said the assailant was a black man. Then it turns out the story was a complete fabrication on her part. No attack, she scratched her own face, and then blamed it on "the blacks".

Seems Murtha was right about racism in Western Pennsylvania. Hell, they're even bringing in outside racists from College Station, Texas, home of the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library.

So yes, there definitely IS racism in Western Pennsylvania. It's just not being perpetrated by the people who live there. It's being perpetrated by McCain campaign workers!

Mike

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Just a thought on that, Mikey.

Maybe they shouldn't have handed over their guns when the Gov registered, then confiscated them, yes ?

That's why I am with the JFPO instead of the NRA.

They know what HAPPENS down that road.
And the damn NRA is busy helping fuckin pave it.

-F

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:37 AM

I don't know how true this is - time will tell, but if it is then the McCain camp has some mea culpa's to do -

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_ga
ve_reporters_inc.php

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:29 PM

HOSTILE17NOW

We only have two weeks left. now lets blow this thing and go home!.....

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Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:43 PM