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There were seasons? There was a show?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I just got him season 2 of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, a solid right-wing sci-fi series where the cold war & alien threats were imminent, and there was no time for talk or understanding.
Detente schmatant, just FIRE!!!!
He says he likes Star Trek better, where they come to understand the aliens they meet- but he's fascinated by the Flying Sub & the rubber monsters, so it's not a total losss.

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Always loved that sub that flew out of the water.

always like to know that old school special effects still work.

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Any others...?

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Firefly was clearly Right - Wing

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Last one I ever saw was of them landing on the Titanic and I never managed to see the next weeks episode to see how it ended!

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Libertarians are right-wing

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Man from Uncle? (Not exactly scifi, but...)

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ooh Ilya Kuryakin!

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Libertarians are right-wing, they broke off from the Republican party in 1972 because Nixon was'nt conservitive enough for them.

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What is Right Wing SF? And how does it differ from Left Wing SF?

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What is Right Wing SF? And how does it differ from Left Wing SF?

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In right wing SF, the government leads the good fight, and the enemy aliens are evil & must be destroyed, in left wing SF, the government gets in the way, but in the end, the enemy aliens can be understood, reasoned with, and a harmonious equilibrium can be achieved.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
it explains why you describe V as Right Wing.

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I guess that to me leftist is about the protection of individual rights.

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I guess that to me leftist is about the protection of individual rights.

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Rightist is about protection of individual rights. So that doesn’t work as a distinction.

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Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

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Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Bush was voted in, just like Reagan. They stood for the Republicans, who are on the right. Therefore, the right stands for breaking laws when it suits them (not too different from the left), and getting peeps KILLED when it suits them (markedly different from the left). You wanna dispute that? CAN you dispute that? Well, I mean, you could go "That's bulls**t', but you can't show me a logical fallacy there, I'd conjure. Get your party to back some REAL Conservative thinkers thereby gaining the respect of the country & world again, or please stop defending incompetence, okay?

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Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

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Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

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That’s bullshit.

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You've been smoking again, haven't you? Smokin' kool-aid...

How about the Democrats losing the support of the south because they took up the cause of the civil rights movement? How about a woman's right to choose? How about the rights of gays to marry? How about the right of non-religious people, even those living in big cities, to be considered true Americans? How about the right to call home while I'm abroad and not have the spies of Big Brother W listening in?

Generally speaking, (really, a gross generalization here - I know some lovely Republicans who aren't like this) the Republican Party is all about the rights of Republicans. If you're not like them, you can go to hell. Or move to Canada. Democrats are about the rights of everyone - Republicans and smelly people included.

And before you start yammering, I do know that Dems are generally into gun limits, and that's an exception. But the argument is generally about placing reasonable limits on the very worst guns, and not stripping us of our rights. I don't think any Dem is gonna take away our right to protect ourselves. They better as hell not - because I'd fight that right alongside the gun-totin' hillbillies and moose-shooting Alaskans and redneck Texans!

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Hmm. So it's bullshit because you say it's bullshit? Excellent! Somebody did well in his classes at the Academy of How to Argue with a Five Year Old. You must be very proud!

Anyhow, I presented several examples where Democrats protect individual rights. Care to do the same for Republicans? Maybe expand on the wonderful relationship Repubs have historically had with the ACLU, NOW, NAACP, labor unions, consumer advocates, etc. Oh - and be especially sure to focus on the Republican respect for one of the oldest tenets of basic human rights: habeus corpus.

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Republicans have supported all of those, but why do I have to support some Left-wing activist group to be seen as supporting individual rights?

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According to you, which is what makes your argument bullshit, Republicans don’t care about individual rights, because they care about “republican rights.”

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You aren’t willing to apply that same faulty logic to your side, but let’s do it anyway. Democrats don’t care about individual rights; they only care about Democrats' rights.

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The right wants to kill; the left wants to understand, bottom line. Sometimes we need to kill, other times we need to understand, but that basically how I draw the lines of it.

Judge Chrisisall

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The Republicans fought for the civil rights movement. The Democrats voted against it.

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Just because someone doesn't support your political views doesn't mean they don't support individual rights. But because you don't agree with a certain group of people, you want to demonize them. That's bullshit.

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The Republicans fought for the civil rights movement. The Democrats voted against it.

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Actually, they both voted for it. But the Republicans did have stronger support, I'll give you that.

ETA: My point was that the white south turned Republican after that civil rights era - the good ole white supremist Republican Bible-thumpin' South! And don't even try saying that that isn't still the case. Just look at who's championing immigration control. And look further into the root of who's writing these laws - white supremist conservatives.

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So not only are you wrong about the Republicans not supporting individual rights, you’re now throwing around bigoted statements, condemning an entire region of people based on the actions of a few. Which also makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it? You’re really not worth my time. Have a nice day.

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condemning an entire region of people based on the actions of a few.

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This was the program in which UN ambassador (and later Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright, when asked about these numbers, coldly stated, "The price is worth it."

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LOL! Way to avoid replying re woman's rights, minority rights, LBGT issues, etc...

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