The most honset article I've seen about Obama by OPPYH

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Yes I watched the interview, and Couric had nothing but undeniably awkward and difficult questions for Palin.

"What newspapers do you read?

"What did you mean when you said ____?

"Do you believe global warming is man-made?

"Can you cite a supreme court ruling you disagree with?

"Can you state a few facts about your running mate? (without getting back to me later...)"

Yep. No one holding the highest or second highest office in the land should be expected to answer such tricksy questions...

One more question: are you fucking insane? Really! You think someone who can't handle one little bitty reporter should be VP of the most powerful country in the world? How does your brain... do... that?

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If She had the exact same questions for Obama, I promise you he wouldn't have fared any better.

I'd so take you up if there were a way to bet on that!

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Look you people obviously like Obama, and that's fine, but you cannot deny the fact that since the start of this race McCain and Palin have been demonized by the media, and news.

I can deny it, and I do. The press has merely reported what McCain and Palin do. It's been entirely their fault that they've been complete morons.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:37 PM

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Originally posted by swish:
One more question: are you fucking insane?

You can't post on a thread without getting all angry?

Don't post on this thread any more. You've already proved you have anger issues, and sub-par intelligence.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:40 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by swish:
One more question: are you fucking insane?

You can't post on a thread without getting all angry?

Don't post on this thread any more. You've already proved you have anger issues, and sub-par intelligence.

Wasn't said in anger. Was said in gaping disbelief.

As for intelligence - how about actually replying on topic? How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:55 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Don't forget about the secessionists here, too...

Who knows, this election might lead to ANOTHER war of Northern Aggression....(i.e. the Alliance, i.e. the Nanny State, i.e. the New National Socialist States of America)

But this time, if it comes to that, the Brown Coats will win.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:03 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by swish:

How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?

Well, there was that stumper about Supreme Court decisions OTHER than Roe v. Wade...

And who can name off the top of their head which magazines and newspapers they read?

By the way, someone of more than "sub-par intelligence" probably wouldn't have misspelled "honest" in the title of the thread - unless you really MEANT that it was "the most honset article" you've seen

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So why has the news and media praised everything he does?

Yeah, why were they falling all over themselves praising Reverend Wright, and demonizing McCain's relationships with Hagee and Palin's "exorcism" ritual? How unfair of the media...

Mike

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, someone of more than "sub-par intelligence" probably wouldn't have misspelled "honest" in the title of the thread - unless you really MEANT that it was "the most honset article" you've seen

Typo. I didn't MEAN to do that

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, why were they falling all over themselves praising Reverend Wright, and demonizing McCain's relationships with Hagee and Palin's "exorcism" ritual? How unfair of the media...

Mike

Speaking of reverend Wright, here's some quotes from him:
– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God **** America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a n***8r. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

– “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.
And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this sh*t!”

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Just a sample of the madman Obama has called "friend", and counted on for spiritual advice for twenty years. Someone that is so clearly anti-American, and anti-white it's shocking.
Come on Mike, Please tell me you agree with those statements. Obama certainly didn't mind them.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by swish:
As for intelligence - how about actually replying on topic? How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?

Well, since you cherry picked the easy questions, here's an example of the interview BS that Palin had to put up with:

Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government.

Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?

Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.

Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.

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It's pretty clear Palin was stumped, and Couric(Cunt) would not leave her alone. Like a vicious bulldog.

If Couric interviewed Obama it would go something like this:

Couric-Barak, what's your favorite color?
Obama-Blue
Couric-OOHH I like that color too
end of interview

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:09 PM

I win

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:19 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Typo. I didn't MEAN to do that

You could fix it...

Might look a little better , then .

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:45 PM

On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:

ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Speaking of reverend Wright, here's some quotes from him:

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God **** America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a n***8r. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

1. We did indeed nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And there were many then, and still some today, who feel that we should have nuked Tokyo as well. Point of fact, we are the only nation on Earth to have ever used nuclear weapons against another.

2.We have indeed sponsored "state terrorism" in those places, and many others (Afghanistan and Nicaraugua, just to name two more).

3. The government has indeed brought in illegal drugs and distributed them to support their illegal wars. And they may well be doing it right now, with heroin from Afghanistan. And we have indeed killed innocent people.

4. The country is indeed run by rich white men.

5. I'm pretty sure Hillary's never been called a "nigger". And she's never been defined in our Constitution as three-fifths of a person.

6. I'd have to check the stats, but I don't doubt that we have more black men in prison than in college, and this country was founded with racism. See above about negroes counting as three-fifths of a "free man". As for "how it's still run" - I'd take issue with that.

Now, you want to know if I agree with Wright's point of view, and I don't. I find it to be counterproductive. But on the majority of his FACTS on which he bases that point of view, he's correct. These things did happen, and some of them still ARE happening.

And by the way, I do indeed love my country. That doesn't blind me to its flaws, nor does it make me believe that we simply have no flaws.

I think Wright's a bit of a whacko myself, but I think that about EVERY religious zealot - Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee included.

Mike

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:46 PM

I win.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:20 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
"can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me...specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation."

Gosh, asking for a specific example of action. Yeah, total gotcha. Not something that gets asked (and answered) repeatedly, and over and over, about Barack Obama. Not a reasonable inquiry to make about someone who's after top office. The audacity.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I win

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Even though he said so himself.
We'd all like to write our own reviews.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:35 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:

ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?
Mike

No they aren't factually correct. Not remotely.
The country is run by rich white men? are you serious? If your referring to the president, then yes he happens to be white, but he doesn't "run" this country. The government, and banks run this country, and I assure you all colors and creeds are represented there.
And you didn't respond to the government creating HIV to wipe out African Americans. You must think that is true then?

And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!

Well now I know who I'm dealing with. You actually endorsed 6 of Wright's statements so I guess you are a winner. Congrats!

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

You could fix it...

Might look a little better , then .

I fixed it as soon as It was brought to my attention, but thanks anyway.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Even though he said so himself.
We'd all like to write our own reviews.

Rose, your really attractive in all the right ways. You have a heart the size of Ohio, and your write beautifully. Please don't give me any grief, I get that you support Obama. Just don't drag me through the mud K?

Forgot to mention really good looking, and cute

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Monday, October 27, 2008 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
It's pretty clear Palin was stumped, and Couric(Cunt) would not leave her alone. Like a vicious bulldog.

Palin was being evasive and Couric called her on it. And you see this as unfair?

So, in a Palin presidency, if a foreign power stumps her in any way it'll be a new international rule that they have to back off so poor little Sarah won't look bad?

And come on - you really think it's reasonable that Palin doesn't know the basics about the political history of her running mate? Really?

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If Couric interviewed Obama it would go something like this:

Couric-Barak, what's your favorite color?
Obama-Blue
Couric-OOHH I like that color too
end of interview

Obama has done about a gazillion interviews over the past 4 years, and you bet your ass he's gotten tough questions. Thing is, he's INFORMED and doesn't get stumped about stupid shit he should know. We don't have the soundbites of imbecilic answers that Palin provided in one go. And sure you can insist that this is because all the questions he's been asked are intellectually equivalent to "what's your favorite color?" but that just shows that you've been watching Fox News spin rather than the interviews themselves.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
No they aren't factually correct. Not remotely.
The country is run by rich white men?

Have you ever gone into a big corporaton and looked at the rows of pictures of company big cahonies in the boardroom? I have. Rich white men. Vast vast majority.

Hey - but good red herring about AIDS. Way to twist off topic and misrepresent Kwicko's post!

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And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!

Get off the Fox, OPPYH. No advice was ever involved.

Honestly, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. You're really inventing a scary reality for yourself. You might serve yourself better by fighting real demons, and not those the Karl Rove and his ilk have invented to control your vote.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 1:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

All VERY GOOD reasons to vote someone into one of the most important positions in the free world.

Don't forget her foreign policy experience: "I can
see Russia from my house."

Her take on the VP duties: "I get to control Congress."

Her knowledge of the Bush Doctrine: "???????"

Yep, she's quite a catch. McCain was lucky to find her in the backwoods of Alaska. Her vast experience as Governor (less than 2 years) of the Huge state of Alaska. Not to mention her experience as a sports broadcaster, that should really come in handy (you know in case she needs to give America the lastest score in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan).

Plus the best damn legs in the country!
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On the Massive Plus side for Sarah :

She's NOT a Washington Insider...

She's a maverick-y reformist challenger...

She makes 'liberals' crap down their legs...

She could bust a few shots off , and make dinner afterwards...

Did I mention that she makes the libs crap down their legs ?

She's the hottest VP candidate , since like , EVER !

She has her own naughty-librarian 2009 calendar...

I could go on and on , but the libs crapping down their legs are making quite the stink in here...

Country First

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Monday, October 27, 2008 1:44 AM

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Her knowledge of the Bush Doctrine: "???????"

Well, in all honesty, that's not quite fair; she DID answer the question. According to her, the Bush Doctrine is defined as "his world view".

MIke

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Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 AM

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And you didn't respond to the government creating HIV to wipe out African Americans. You must think that is true then?

And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!

Well now I know who I'm dealing with. You actually endorsed 6 of Wright's statements so I guess you are a winner. Congrats!

First off, you have no idea who you're dealing with. But apparently *I* am dealing with someone possessing sub-par reading comprehension skills, and just another right-wing nutjob who ONLY gets their news and views from the Faux News bunch.

Go back and re-read my reply to your post, where I take several of your Reverend Wright quotes and address them on a point-by-point basis. Then read my PERSONAL opinions on the man and his views. You'll notice, if you're paying attention at all, that I said at the outset that I was addressing particular quotes, and asking the question of whether they were factually correct. You'll also notice that I said that I don't agree with his point of view - he may be factually correct in some (SOME, mind you - not ALL) of his statements, but his opinions that grow out of those facts don't jibe with me.

Here, I'll quote it so you don't have to scroll back up...

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Kwicko wrote:

On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:

ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?

And:

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Now, you want to know if I agree with Wright's point of view, and I don't. I find it to be counterproductive. But on the majority of his FACTS on which he bases that point of view, he's correct. These things did happen, and some of them still ARE happening.

I didn't respond to the HIV quote you posted, nor to some of the others, because I find them to be dubious at best, if not downright nutty.

But for the record, I notice you haven't responded to my mention of Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee. I take it that means you endorse their views and agree with them, then? You agree that New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina hit, and that the Jews deserved the Holocaust, eh? Well, at least I know who I'm dealing with...

And by the way, did you just refer to Katie Couric as a "Cunt"? Let me guess - you're one of those Republicans who say that anyone who votes against Palin is sexist, but it's okay to call other women a bunch of cunts. How very, very enlightened of you. Of course, many others will probably feel free to refer to Caribou Barbie (Now with $150,000 in accessories!) as a cunt as well, since you wanted to go ahead and bring out the "c-bomb"...

Now, a quick note on your "loaded" interview questions, because they were so very tough, as we can see:

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Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more examples of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

McCain is running as someone who will "change" things, and Palin was asked to name ONE other thing that McCain would change about how Wall Street is run. And she couldn't answer. Her "answer" was to simply restate the question and not address it in any way. That's yet another hallmark of someone who simply isn't very bright.

Mike

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:12 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Kwicko,

To be fair, she did reply to the question by stating an answer by simply stating the obvious "his world view." That is a very general statement, the type of which you find in High School whenever your stumped for a specific answer, which is what the interviewer was looking for.

I dare say that if your running for any public service office or position, you should know something about that office. Does that make sense?
What some folk fail to understand is that the interviewer was qualifying her credentials to run for the office of Vice President of the United States.
It is, to say the least, a very important position that requires a good mixture of experience, knowledge, political acumen (or smarts) and sense of duty (among other things). McCain picked someone outside the box, so to speak, and no one knew just who Sarah Palin was or what she was about. The only way to find out who and what we were dealing with was to ask the tough questions. That's what a reporter does to get to the bottom of a situation.

The interviews the McCain Campaign granted were meant to give a further boost to the Senator's run for office, after the rousing reception Palin received at the convention. But in an unscripted setting where she had to think on her feet she exposed herself (and the campaign for that matter) to be politically "ignorant" of certain fundamentally basic facts surrounding the office for which she was hand-picked. McCain's camp dropped the ball on that one (they quickly learned that they had to prep her for future sit-downs with the press and debates). Truth be told I didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was until Charlie Gibson (of ABC-News) told her, but I'm not running for the second most powerful position in the entire world.

She might very well be a great Governor, but she should know the basics of the position she's running for and I'm not convinced that is the case.

(Sorry for the long winded reply, but it had to be said)
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Well, in all honesty, that's not quite fair; she DID answer the question. According to her, the Bush Doctrine is defined as "his world view".
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I'm not down on her for being a Republican, or even a Maverick, just not sure she's sufficiently versed in VP matters of state is all.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:35 AM

Shiny: I think you misunderstood my reply, or misread it. I was trying to be snarky, in that she did answer, but it was an amazingly shitty answer!

No worries. I forgot to put the [sarcasm] filter on. :)

Mike

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:49 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Serves me right for not putting my "sarcasm" filter on.
Well, since you put it that way.......never mind (with apologies to Emily Fatella of SNL).

No worries.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Shiny: I think you misunderstood my reply, or misread it. I was trying to be snarky, in that she did answer, but it was an amazingly shitty answer!

No worries. I forgot to put the [sarcasm] filter on. :)

Mike

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I didn't respond to the HIV quote you posted, nor to some of the others, because I find them to be dubious at best, if not downright nutty.

But for the record, I notice you haven't responded to my mention of Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee. I take it that means you endorse their views and agree with them, then? You agree that New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina hit, and that the Jews deserved the Holocaust, eh? Well, at least I know who I'm dealing with...

Hagee is just a straight laced Christian. Nothing wrong with good morals.

As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
Rev. Wright is a fikkin nutjob, and was Obama's good friend. That should send a red flag to potential Obama voters. For people like you though with such a jaw dropping narrow view of the race for president....I don't know what else to say.

You know if Obama came out tomorrow and said he hated America, or wanted to start a war with China, you'd still vote for him.
You'd be like yeah I hate America too, Obama's correct, or we could do without China.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 10:42 AM

OPPYH, any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.

Of course you don't.

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
Of course you don't.

Yeah, isn't it a hoot when bias is so openly admitted?

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Hagee is just a straight laced Christian. Nothing wrong with good morals.

As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
Rev. Wright is a fikkin nutjob, and was Obama's good friend. That should send a red flag to potential Obama voters. For people like you though with such a jaw dropping narrow view of the race for president....I don't know what else to say.

Hagee's a "straight-laced christian"? Then all christians are bat-shit crazy, if he's typical of the breed.

As for my "narrow view" - how wide is your view? Wide enough to allow that slimmest sliver of light to get between McCain and Bush, two sides of the same coin, which for the rest of America reads "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose". Can you see any difference between the two? 'Cause the rest of us sure as hell can't, and we've had eight years of these idiots wrecking America and ruining our reputation around the world. But I guess your mind is just to narrow to accept that view.

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You know if Obama came out tomorrow and said he hated America, or wanted to start a war with China, you'd still vote for him.
You'd be like yeah I hate America too, Obama's correct, or we could do without China.

Okay, clearly you're in over your head. You've stumbled in here and decided to spew some line of bullshit you heard at the tractor pull. Once upon a time, we could have done without China. That was before we sent all our manufacturing jobs over there, and started borrowing money hand over fist from them to keep our economy going.

I've got a news flash for you: China IS going to be the next superpower, and they're going to do it without firing a shot. They decided a long long time ago that they'd use our greed against us, and work longer, harder, and cheaper than us in order to get the majority of our manufacturing. Now that they've got it, how long do you suppose it will stay cheap? And how long will they keep propping up our scrip money while they're holding hundreds of billions of dollars of it? If China so desired, they could call their loans due today and collapse our system completely. They'd lose their BIGGEST customer, but we're not their ONLY customer.

I wouldn't be too eager to start a shooting war with them. That's more the Republicans' speed anyway - shoot first and ask questions never.

Mike

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
OPPYH, any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!

But of course she has foreign policy experience - she can see Russia from her house!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 12:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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all christians are bat-shit crazy

Took you THIS long to figure that out ?

Bit slow on the draw today, Mikey...

-F

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!

What's your malfunction?

I'm not Palin. I don't know her Foreign Policy(should I?). I know she is awesome with energy, and ecological conservation, and she's doing a great job as governor of Alaska. If Global Warming is something that concerns you(it should) then Plain may be the very person to stop future environmental disasters.
That is all I need to know.

You want suspense, go read a Nancy Drew book you half-wit!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Okay, clearly you're in over your head. You've stumbled in here and decided to spew some line of bullshit you heard at the tractor pull. Once upon a time, we could have done without China. That was before we sent all our manufacturing jobs over there, and started borrowing money hand over fist from them to keep our economy going.

I've got a news flash for you: China IS going to be the next superpower, and they're going to do it without firing a shot. They decided a long long time ago that they'd use our greed against us, and work longer, harder, and cheaper than us in order to get the majority of our manufacturing. Now that they've got it, how long do you suppose it will stay cheap? And how long will they keep propping up our scrip money while they're holding hundreds of billions of dollars of it? If China so desired, they could call their loans due today and collapse our system completely. They'd lose their BIGGEST customer, but we're not their ONLY customer.
Mike

Tractor pulls are too messy for me, but drag racing is pretty cool.

Anyway, it looks as though you are against China.
Many Americans are, and I understand that. All this "Outsourcing" has ruined many lives. But do you know who started the onslaught of foreign trade with China? Mr. Clinton himself. It wasn't Regan, or Bush senior, it was "Slick Willie". A democrat that was supposed to "change" all of economic bad times. Look where we are today. Is the US in sad shape......"you betcha".

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Monday, October 27, 2008 9:52 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
From the article:

"Oh, yeah, that's another thing that bothers me about Obama, when he says Palin doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to run the free world. I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does."

That is the biggest statement in the article.
That's what I was responding to.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I'm not Palin. I don't know her Foreign Policy(should I?).

Yes, you should. According to you, a statement about her foreign policy experience is the biggest statement in the article. You should be able to explain why you think the statement is true.

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You want suspense, go read a Nancy Drew book you half-wit!

I can't, there aren't any CliffsNotes for Nancy Drew, and reading a whole book is too much work. Besides, the point was that I don't want suspense (re-read my post), waiting for you to back up what you say is making my life unnecessarily exciting.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
According to you, a statement about her foreign policy experience is the biggest statement in the article. You should be able to explain why you think the statement is true.

Yes it is the biggest statement in the article. The fact that a potential VP, has equal or more experience than a front runner for president is always a treat. Foreign Policy doesn't concern me when it comes to Palin. I already told you what does. You want her foreign policy, why don't you look it up, and share it with me. I'm dying to know as well.

Thanks!!

"That's what you sound like with that aTTItude"
Sarah Silverman

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Monday, October 27, 2008 10:22 PM

Err, wait, backing up your claim, isn't that your job, not mine? Ah, forget it. As I said, you're just a troll. I should know better.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Foreign Policy doesn't concern me when it comes to Palin. [...] You want her foreign policy, why don't you look it up, and share it with me. I'm dying to know as well.

So which one is it?

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:49 AM

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Anyway, it looks as though you are against China.
Many Americans are, and I understand that. All this "Outsourcing" has ruined many lives. But do you know who started the onslaught of foreign trade with China? Mr. Clinton himself. It wasn't Regan, or Bush senior, it was "Slick Willie". A democrat that was supposed to "change" all of economic bad times. Look where we are today. Is the US in sad shape......"you betcha".

I don't know that I'm "against" China with anything like a John Bircher's fervor, but I'm certainly CONCERNED with our massive trade imbalance where they are concerned.

And while you seem to insinuate that all of our hard times today are Clinton's fault, that argument is just so exceedingly weak and tired now, after eight years of "Bushonomics". He's had plenty of time to "correct" the trade imbalances that started with Clinton, but he has increased them rather than decreased them. Bush has had MORE than enough time to prove that his policies work - except that they don't work. Following his policies leads you down a deep, dark hole of debt. First rule when you find yourself in a deep hole? STOP DIGGING!

Mike

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA

And yet, here's the plan McCain's offering.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Err, wait, backing up your claim, isn't that your job, not mine? Ah, forget it. As I said, you're just a troll. I should know better.

Your the biggest troll on this site. I won't debate with you anymore. You can't state facts to someone who fabricates things to get them out of a jam. Kind of like Obama.

I guess you do win.....in your mind!

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:13 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't know that I'm "against" China with anything like a John Bircher's fervor, but I'm certainly CONCERNED with our massive trade imbalance where they are concerned.

And while you seem to insinuate that all of our hard times today are Clinton's fault, that argument is just so exceedingly weak and tired now, after eight years of "Bushonomics". He's had plenty of time to "correct" the trade imbalances that started with Clinton, but he has increased them rather than decreased them. Bush has had MORE than enough time to prove that his policies work - except that they don't work. Following his policies leads you down a deep, dark hole of debt. First rule when you find yourself in a deep hole? STOP DIGGING!

I agree with you. Bush could have done something about our trade with China as to not be a complete failure as president. He didn't.

Obama says he's going to eliminate outsourcing.
He probably will be president so Let's hope he holds true to that promise.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:47 AM

STORYMARK

My favorite bit from that editorial, is where he says "I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does."

Granted, that is Obama's biggest weakness. But at least he has some. Palin had never even been abroad until, what, 2 years ago? And he's "sure", which is, in context, the word people use when they want to believe something, but don't want to run the risk of actually looking, and potentially finding out a truth they don't like.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
You can't state facts to someone who fabricates things to get them out of a jam.

Did you just call yourself someone who fabricates things to get himself out of a jam?

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:40 PM

OPPYH - FYI, this is what a hostile interview looks like:

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by swish:

Get off the Fox, OPPYH. No advice was ever involved.

Honestly, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. You're really inventing a scary reality for yourself. You might serve yourself better by fighting real demons, and not those the Karl Rove and his ilk have invented to control your vote.

Obama has already said that rev. Wright was his "spiritual adviser", and "friend". Those are Obama's words not mine.

That would imply that for the twenty years he attended rev. Wright's church, he did indeed get advice from him.
That doesn't bug me though. What bugs me is Obama didn't have the backbone to stand up against the media, and say look, Wright has said some outrageous things, but I'm his friend, and I will continue to support him.
Instead he shunned him immediately. In that instant he showed his true character.

When the going gets tough, turn your back on someone, and all the "bad" will go away!

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:41 PM

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When the going gets tough, turn your back on someone, and all the "bad" will go away!

Is that why Sarah Palin has called for Senator Ted Stevens to resign? To make all the "bad" go away?

Mike

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:03 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
What bugs me is Obama didn't have the backbone to stand up against the media, and say look, Wright has said some outrageous things, but I'm his friend, and I will continue to support him.
Instead he shunned him immediately.

I'm just wondering if we're remembering the same sequence of events? See, I remember very well the rash of outrage over Wright, I remember it lasting several weeks, I remember several times throughout those weeks when Obama said something along the lines of "I don't agree with this stance he has, but he performed my wedding and baptized my children, he showed me the love of Jesus, he was an important part of my life, this church has been an important part of my life, and I won't condemn him for saying many things I can't agree with."
After the bruhaha died down some, after most people said "look, let's just stop talking about Wright," after he'd thought about the best course of action, there was a spattering of articles saying he was leaving that particular church, that it had been a difficult decision, etc along that vein. I didn't hear anything more about Wright until the last two or three weeks.
Perhaps I'm remembering wrong? Perhaps there's a news site with an archive on it where my black hole memory (not my words) could be checked. I'm just wondering how my recollection would translate as 'immediate shunning.'

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Originally posted by swish:
this is what a hostile interview looks like:

Damn, I'm not sure 'hostile' covers it.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Perhaps I'm remembering wrong? Perhaps there's a news site with an archive on it where my black hole memory (not my words) could be checked. I'm just wondering how my recollection would translate as 'immediate shunning.'

Ok, so it wasn't an immediate shunning. But come on you know someone for a long time, and then give em the razzle dazzle....it just doesn't add up!

"Save someone's life. Buy Firefly the complete series on Blu-Ray"

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Obama has already said that rev. Wright was his "spiritual adviser", and "friend". Those are Obama's words not mine.

Spiritual advisor. Spiritual advisor. Which has nothing to do with setting policy - though religious nutjobs on the right (not referring to you OPPYH, but to folks like Palin) might not ever be able to accept that public office is not about pushing one's religious views on the populace.

Obama addressed this quite clearly when all this mess started. You, apparently, were too busy watching Fox.

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That doesn't bug me though.

Really? so why'd you bring it up?

So, did you watch that interview? Can you see the difference between a skilled politician handling a hostile interview, and a doorknob imploding under easy questions as Palin did?

Though I must admit Biden's interview wasn't that hard to handle, since it was so ridiculous, what could he do but laugh? Well, McCain wouldn't have laughed. Can you imagine? He'd have gone beet red and gritted his teeth with that creepy forced smile....

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:47 AM