Gun Rights Advocates Please explain how the hell this happened by FutureMrsFIllion

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Somebody was stupid enough to let an 8 year-old kid shoot a fully-automatic Uzi Micro submachinegun? My hardcore gun buddies tell me that's an almost impossible weapon for a seasoned pro to control on full auto - and with a firing rate of 1700 rounds per minute, just a short "blip" on the trigger unleashes a whole assload of rounds.

I was learning to shoot firearms at around that age and younger, but never something like that.

My personal opinion is that it was a bad choice by the dad and by the instructor, with a tragic result.

Mike

ETA - It's not just that it's an Uzi; it's an Uzi Micro, a very short model with a short stock and a very short barrel. I'm told it WANTS to torque itself up and out of your hand, and that it damn near requires a two-handed death grip just to fire it. Sounds like a bit of a useless gun to me, more of a hazard to the user than to the target.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:55 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I know that the best method of gun safety is to teach children from a young age to handle and respect them.

But this is beyond fucking ridiculous. I feel so bad for these parents and yet want to take off the fathers arm and beat him to death with it.

eta: why the hell does anyone-child or adult-need a gun like that if they are not in the middle of a battle during war?

And where was the professional? WTF was he thinking?

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:05 PM

Quote:

I know that the best method of gun safety is to teach children from a young age to handle and respect them.

But this is beyond fucking ridiculous. I feel so bad for these parents and yet want to take off the fathers arm and beat him to death with it.

eta: why the hell does anyone-child or adult-need a gun like that if they are not in the middle of a battle during war?

And where was the professional? WTF was he thinking?

Can't say as I disagree with any particular point, ma'am. If I had my 'druthers, I *might* want a weapon with a "select fire" capability that could fire a two- or three-round burst, but I have no use at all for a full-auto machinegun. It's a waste of ammo, and they're not accurate, because you can't stay on target when the damned thing's jumping all over the place while you're trying to "spray and pray".

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:58 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Gun Rights Advocates Please explain how the hell this happened"

Hello,

The father was a dumbass, and so was the range master.

Like most tragic, avoidable deaths, a dumbass was involved.

It's less a gun issue than it is a dumbass issue.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:10 PM

KHYRON

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It's less a gun issue than it is a dumbass issue.

Just want to add: If it's got something to do with guns, there generally will be dumbasses involved.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Indeed - I avoid those people, and happen to be rather notorious and savage when it comes to horseplay, violations of the four rules, or unsafe practices.

I *WILL* take a gun away from you if you're endangering people with it - almost had a serious problem with that at one range, where a would be gangsta and his buddies were waving around his "nine" and incidently muzzle sweeping folk with it, AFTER loading a clip.

The RO didn't have time to get to his ass before he wound up on the floor staring up at me ejecting his mag and throwing it downrange, removing the slide, and tossing the pieces in his lap, accompanied by a verbal diatribe that would have had R Lee Ermey applauding in approval.

He wanted to press charges, even called the cops, who, when the facts of the matter became clear, that in fact he had POINTED A LOADED GUN AT ME, negligently or not, then asked ME if I wanted to press charges, to which I declined, since the RO had banned him from the range, and if he didn't learn from that, he just ain't gonna.

But you get dumbasses, like any other powerful and dangerous tool, a gun can hurt you if you're stupid with it, and I file this incident right beside someone stupid enough to let an eight year old play with a circular saw, it's asking for trouble, it is.

Kid that age, you start em with a .22LR rifle, or even an airgun, and then move up as their coordination, experience and maturity allows it.

The parent was a damned fool, the RO was completely negligent, and a *completely avoidable* tragedy resulted, it's no simpler than that.

Anarchist in general I might be, but when it comes to weapon safely, imma downright jackbooted fascist about it, you have to be, or someones gonna get hurt.

Sadly, all the laws and rules in the world will not prevent people from being stupid, only people themselves can prevent that.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:14 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081028/ap_on_re_us/boy_shoots_himself;_yl
t=AoONwR50wI3mA3TI1CFX3hqs0NUE

eta: let me just say that I can think of NO REASON to allow a child to fire an Uzi.

This kids father or the instructor or both are irresponsible idiot. This is the kind of accident that should be easily recognized as a likely possibility when an 8-year old boy is allowed to shoot a fully automatic weapon. The father obviously knew little about these kinds of weapons, and the instructor doesn’t seem to have known very much himnself. Although the police ruled the incident an accident, which I agree with, I’m not sure it should absolve the father and/or the instructor from being charged. Obviously it’s too late to charge the father as an unfit parent, but I’m not sure this situation is beyond charging the instructor with some form of reckless endangerment.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
eta: why the hell does anyone-child or adult-need a gun like that if they are not in the middle of a battle during war?

Because, used responsibly, they can be a lot of fun to shoot. Just like it can be a lot of fun to drive a BMW M3 (which no one really needs) fast as it'll go, if you do so on a track with proper precautions.

In this case, the dad and RSO used poor judgement and the child paid the price. Unfortunately, when you try to make something foolproof, Nature just comes along with a better fool.

Edit to add:

Every day kids are killed because their parents didn't properly secure them in car seats, or were driving while distracted, tired, or drunk. These deaths seldom make a big splash in the news. Car or gun, it's mistakes by those responsible for the child that cause the tragedy.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:06 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The father was a dumbass, and so was the range master.

Like most tragic, avoidable deaths, a dumbass was involved.

It's less a gun issue than it is a dumbass issue.

Well said.

Speaking as a lawyer this is a huge lawsuit. I mean even rollercoasters and bumper cars have the 'you must be this tall' signs.

Speaking as a prosecutor, Mass. gun laws allow children to fire weapons if they have a parent's permission. So firing the gun was not illegal. I doubt the range guy has any criminal liability and if he does not then neither does the father. The only possible charge is Child Endangerment and under these circumstances and without more information I would not authorize such a charge.

As a gun rights guy I have no problem with allowing folks to "rock and roll" and even kids with parental permission. But little kids (say 12 or less) should not be firing full auto submachineguns any more then they should be firing .50 Desert Eagle handguns.

I learned gun safety from my dad, who is a retired cop. It was always the MOST serious business. I didn't fire a handgun until I was 12 and I was 14 when he first let me shoot the AR-15 and M-1, before that I was restricted to the .22 and my .30-06.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:18 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well said and done Frem.

This guy was an idiot. His son is dead because of his stupidity and thats all there is to it.

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:45 AM

Yuppers. By the way, I saw an interesting Canadian article (yes, good old liberal Canaduh) stating quite bluntly that more kids are killed playing football than are killed by guns.

Why is no one clamoring to outlaw football?

Just looking for some perspective on a really shitty situation...

Mike

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:01 AM

KIRKULES

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:07 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"By the way, I saw an interesting Canadian article ... stating quite bluntly that more kids are killed playing football than are killed by guns. Why is no one clamoring to outlaw football?"

That's probably true in Canada where they have very few gun deaths. In the US, it's quite the opposite. Think drive-bys and gangs.

On a cyncial note: could this be a Darwin Award by proxy ?

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:31 PM

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On a cyncial note: could this be a Darwin Award by proxy ?

Nope - kid would've had to shoot the dad for that to work.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:19 AM

Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28948946

"A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by
accident while being shown how to use a high-powered submachine gun."

My best guess: We ain't ever gonna learn better about this.

"Then we're stupid, and we'll die." Pris

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:22 AM

America loves a winner!

Why revive a thread nearly 6 years old????

Original post October, 2006.

What, real world CURRENT events not interesting enough for ya?

The narrative of the day, that being the REALITY of national and global politics got ya down, so you have to revert back to " better days " ?

I guess we should outlaw swimming pools and lakes too, while we're at it.

Overview

Every day, about ten people die from unintentional drowning. Of these, two are children aged 14 or younger. Drowning ranks fifth among the leading causes of unintentional injury death in the United States.1

How big is the problem?

From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2
About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger.2 For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1

More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).3,4

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjurie
s-factsheet.html

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:27 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I guess we should outlaw swimming pools and lakes too, while we're at it.

She can drag up any damn threads she wants to, are you the thread monitor???

On the subject at hand...There are things people who care about their kids do, and people who only care about their bragging rights do.

Things to NOT do:
Have a pool and a toddler
Have weapons openly in reach of anything under 12
Have a pit or a rottie for a babysitter
Leave your small child unattended anywhere near a car

These four things will get them dead faster than all the other things combined.

There was one line from Judging Amy that has always stuck with me
"You must be this tall---- to ride"

If you cannot abide by these principles, your priority isn't your child- it's your own vanity.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:30 AM

America loves a winner!

No, I'm not the thread monitor, but I should be !

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, I'm not the thread monitor, but I should be !

Spoken like a true right-wing authoritarian fascist fuck.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why revive a thread nearly 6 years old????

Original post October, 2006.

What, real world CURRENT events not interesting enough for ya?

The narrative of the day, that being the REALITY of national and global politics got ya down, so you have to revert back to " better days " ?

I guess we should outlaw swimming pools and lakes too, while we're at it.

Overview

Every day, about ten people die from unintentional drowning. Of these, two are children aged 14 or younger. Drowning ranks fifth among the leading causes of unintentional injury death in the United States.1

How big is the problem?

From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2
About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger.2 For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1

More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).3,4

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjurie
s-factsheet.html

Okay, so you agree that shit happens and kills kids.

I have a question for you (don't worry, I know you won't give any kind of honest response, because you can't):

Was this death a result of the parents' choice?

Simple yes or no, please, if you could.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:59 AM

America loves a winner!

Be less vague, please, when asking about 'this' death.

And why does it even matter if the deaths were of the parent's choice ?

How is that even relevant ?

Also, thanks for showing a full lack of any sense of humor, by totally missing my Anakin Skywalker reference.

Dork.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:13 AM

rezident owtsidr

2008, not 2006.

I'd be interested in the orijinal story. Unfortunately the link duznt lead to it anymore.

How do you equate gunz with playing in water? Thats the sam mistake az comparing gunz to carz.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:20 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

I agree 1000%

Why didn't the instructor help with holding the gun?
Actually, the better question, what possible sense does it make to instruct an 8 year-old on the fine points of shooting an Uzi? Is she going 'coon hunting?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Gun Rights Advocates Please explain how the hell this happened"

Hello,

The father was a dumbass, and so was the range master.

Like most tragic, avoidable deaths, a dumbass was involved.

It's less a gun issue than it is a dumbass issue.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:53 PM

OK. My bad ... Shoulda clarified.

The OP is about an 8-yr-old boy in 2008:
Christopher Bizilj shot himself dead with an Uzi at a gun show in Mass.

"The teenager who worked at a gun show where 8-year-old Christopher
Bizilj accidentally killed himself while shooting an Uzi testified today he
twice suggested the boy's father pick a less powerful weapon for the
boy to shoot."
That report from Jan 2011, trial of the man who organized the gun show.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christopher-bizilj-died-firing-uzi-urg
ed-son/story?id=12565132

At the time, I felt the incident was apalling and instructive.

My bump is a NEW story yesterday. A shooting instructor, perhaps
unfamiliar with the Bizilj story, hands an Uzi to a 9-year-old girl,
and now HE is dead.

Thus my remark about our reluctance to learn.
I actually think these events are relevant. And Darwin Awards are appropriate.

for JO753: The Bizilj story from the Crime Library:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/not_guilty/edward-fleury
/a-fun-day-at-the-range.html

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Bumpity-bumpity-bump.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Aw, I miss Kwicko

And yeah, what the fuck with the 9 year old being given such a weapon to use. Unbelievable.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:33 PM

Opinion:
Why is a 9-year-old firing an Uzi?
By Mel Robbins
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/opinion/robbins-why-was-child-firing-uzi
/?sr=google_news&google_editors_picks=true

"This, of course, isn't the little girl's fault; was it even her idea to
shoot an Uzi in the first place? It's the instructor and the parents
who are to blame -- I mean, what could possibly go wrong if you
hand an Uzi with the selector on fully automatic mode to a
9-year-old?
For anyone who asks "What were they thinking?" the answer is:
They weren't. That's why the law needs to change -- to protect
kids from adult stupidity."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

If Sense was Common, everyone would have some.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:04 PM

WISHIMAY

I just keep thinking about these poor kids, how they must have felt afterwards... panic and guilt and fear. I mean accidentally killing someone at NINE? That'll screw ya up for life. I feel guilty when I hit a bunny on the road, let alone....

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:58 PM

rezident owtsidr

xanks, Oonjerah. I read all 8 pajez uv the crime library account. Terrible.

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yes, when I first heard about this recent incident I immediately remembered the former one from the original post here.

And my opinion ain't changed a whit, negligent dumbassery in the lethal extreme.

Full auto weapons are noteworthy for potent recoil and muzzle climb, and none more so than the Uzi, Micro Uzi and Mac10 series because they lack the mass and weight to counter it like larger weapons do - one of the reasons it's even possible to hip-fire an M60 is because it's so bloody HEAVY, especially the earlier models.

There is NO sane reason (outside of a desperate life-or-death situation) that someone without the physical strength and/or mass to control a weapon properly should be firing one whatsoever.(1)
The APPROPRIATE firearm for a child of single-digit age is the Crickett 22LR, and then one can work up from there - but I would no more let a young child handle an Uzi than I would let a 15yr old on a learners drive a Bugatti Veyron.
http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=GM416108

Again, a completely *avoidable* tragedy directly resulting from the negligence of the instructor and range officer, who should by no means have allowed this.

(1) - It's for this very reason I've had to "retire" my drum-fed Saiga-12 as I can no longer safely operate it, alas.. still holding onto it for collection value though.

And speaking of age/size appropriate armament, my ex is a little miffed over little Rin-zillas first birthday present from me....
16.5" Foam Safety Axe
http://www.amazon.com/US-Toy-16-5-Foam-Safety/dp/B00HVHBCSE/

-Frem

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:58 AM

rezident owtsidr

Hav I talked about the Gun Incident Tax here before?

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:14 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why revive a thread nearly 6 years old????

Original post October, 2006.

What, real world CURRENT events not interesting enough for ya?

Is your head so deep in the sand that you don't grasp that this is rather relevant to a current event?

Wait, of course it is - why do I even ask...

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:22 PM

WISHIMAY

Aww, she wants to be a role model...

https://screen.yahoo.com/popular/local-9-old-competitive-shooter-04030
0101.html?vp=1

This whole family must be crazier'n bedbugs.

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Gun Rights Advocates Please explain how the hell this happened"

Hello,

The father was a dumbass, and so was the range master.

Like most tragic, avoidable deaths, a dumbass was involved.

It's less a gun issue than it is a dumbass issue.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I'm expecting this dude to be a Darwin Award finalist.

Sorry, I should have quoted the new incident post, the girl shooter.

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
2008, not 2006.

I'd be interested in the orijinal story. Unfortunately the link duznt lead to it anymore.

How do you equate gunz with playing in water? Thats the sam mistake az comparing gunz to carz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

R u a ghotiol king, did u fynd it?

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:28 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why revive a thread nearly 6 years old????

Original post October, 2006.

What, real world CURRENT events not interesting enough for ya?

Is your head so deep in the sand that you don't grasp that this is rather relevant to a current event?

Wait, of course it is - why do I even ask...

OK. My bad ... Shoulda clarified.

The OP is about an 8-yr-old boy in 2008:
Christopher Bizilj shot himself dead with an Uzi at a gun show in Mass.

- OONJERAH

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why revive a thread nearly 6 years old????

Original post October, 2006.

What, real world CURRENT events not interesting enough for ya?

Is your head so deep in the sand that you don't grasp that this is rather relevant to a current event?

Wait, of course it is - why do I even ask...

OK. My bad ... Shoulda clarified.

The OP is about an 8-yr-old boy in 2008:
Christopher Bizilj shot himself dead with an Uzi at a gun show in Mass.

- OONJERAH

That's just crazy talk.
You backing up your posts with facts again? Facts provided by others? Facts don't count unless you have provided providence of cites from approved libtard sources.
You shall not be allowed to utilized facts unless they have been shown to have the appropriate amount of libtard bias inherent within.

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Aww, she wants to be a role model...

https://screen.yahoo.com/popular/local-9-old-competitive-shooter-04030
0101.html?vp=1

This whole family must be crazier'n bedbugs.

The gun range owner says of the girl that shooting an Uzi was high on her bucket list.

I wonder if killing a man was on her list as well. If so, she can go ahead and cross two things off that bucket list!

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Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:55 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Isnt the thing about bucket lists is that they are meant to be stuff achieved throughout your life? Why can't people just say no to kids? Or at least 'wait until you are 18?'

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Friday, August 29, 2014 1:38 AM

Q&A: Few Laws Govern Children at Shooting Range
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/qa-laws-govern-children-shooting-ra
nge-25150693

SHOULD YOUNG CHILDREN HANDLE FIREARMS LIKE UZIS?

According to the article above, the State of Connecticut adopted a new
gun regulation because of the "dumbass" death of Christopher Bizilj.

Good on Conn ... What about the rest of us? Are we learning yet?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Friday, August 29, 2014 5:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Q&A: Few Laws Govern Children at Shooting Range
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/qa-laws-govern-children-shooting-ra
nge-25150693

SHOULD YOUNG CHILDREN HANDLE FIREARMS LIKE UZIS?

According to the article above, the State of Connecticut adopted a new
gun regulation because of the "dumbass" death of Christopher Bizilj.

Good on Conn ... What about the rest of us? Are we learning yet?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

Has Connecticut outlawed driving a lethal weapon while talking or texting on phone? They had the worst drivers last year that I saw, everybody texting. How many more homicides while texting will they allow before protecting the citizenry?

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:24 AM

The NRA decided to keep it classy, as always. After the shooting, their "NRA Women" group tweeted out "7 Ways Children Can Have Fun at the Shooting Range."

Keep it classy, NRA.

Quote:
Has Connecticut outlawed driving a lethal weapon while talking or texting on phone? They had the worst drivers last year that I saw, everybody texting. How many more homicides while texting will they allow before protecting the citizenry?

Are you suggesting that guns should be every bit as regulated as automobiles?

I agree with that. When do you suggest we should start implementing this plan? Licenses, registration, insurance, heavy fines and/or imprisonment for operating a firearm while intoxicated, loss of license/rights to firearms for certain acts, no operating firearms until you turn 16, complete a firearms-education course, etc.

That actually sounds like a really good plan. Can I credit you with that when I send it to my legislator? (He's a dem, so I'm pretty sure he'll go for it!)

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:20 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

it's illegal to text or talk on a handheld phone while driving here

quite rightly

morons

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:53 AM

Gun Rights Advocates Please explain ... Kid + Uzi = Bad Accident.
So my reply here is fully off topic. But if Gun Rights Advocates do explain
it, as Anthony did above, they should not text while driving to do so.
In my personal opinion, Yes! guns should be every bit as regulated as
automobiles.

Gun violence in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm. According to the FBI, in 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns. 61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_y
ear
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes), killing 32,999 and injuring 2,239,000.

CDC - Distracted Driving
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver, compared to 3,267 in 2010. An additional, 387,000 people were injured in motor vehicle crashes involving a distracted driver in 2011, compared to 416,000 people injured in 2010.1
In 2010, nearly one in five crashes (18%) in which someone was injured involved distracted driving

[Note: Distracted Driving includes visual, manual & mental distractions.
And apparently, the talking-texting-emailing danger is world wide.]

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

The NRA decided to keep it classy, as always. After the shooting, their "NRA Women" group tweeted out "7 Ways Children Can Have Fun at the Shooting Range."

Keep it classy, NRA.

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Has Connecticut outlawed driving a lethal weapon while talking or texting on phone? They had the worst drivers last year that I saw, everybody texting. How many more homicides while texting will they allow before protecting the citizenry?

Are you suggesting that guns should be every bit as regulated as automobiles?

I agree with that. When do you suggest we should start implementing this plan? Licenses, registration, insurance, heavy fines and/or imprisonment for operating a firearm while intoxicated, loss of license/rights to firearms for certain acts, no operating firearms until you turn 16, complete a firearms-education course, etc.

That actually sounds like a really good plan. Can I credit you with that when I send it to my legislator? (He's a dem, so I'm pretty sure he'll go for it!)

Already done - welcome to Illinios, home of the safest city in the nation: Chicago.

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:28 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Gun Rights Advocates Please explain ... Kid + Uzi = Bad Accident.
So my reply here is fully off topic. But if Gun Rights Advocates do explain
it, as Anthony did above, they should not text while driving to do so.
In my personal opinion, Yes! guns should be every bit as regulated as
automobiles.

Gun violence in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm. According to the FBI, in 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns. 61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_y
ear
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes), killing 32,999 and injuring 2,239,000.

CDC - Distracted Driving
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver, compared to 3,267 in 2010. An additional, 387,000 people were injured in motor vehicle crashes involving a distracted driver in 2011, compared to 416,000 people injured in 2010.1
In 2010, nearly one in five crashes (18%) in which someone was injured involved distracted driving

[Note: Distracted Driving includes visual, manual & mental distractions.
And apparently, the talking-texting-emailing danger is world wide.]

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

Those facts are from 4 years ago, when the roads were far safer, and these dangerous practices were far less prevalent.
Yes, the danger is worldwide, but the places which have outlawed it have made attempts to remove that hazard from the public roadways.

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:28 PM

rezident owtsidr

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-withou
t-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:22 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-withou
t-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

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NRA President Wayne LaPierre says that Hollywood violence in movies and video games is really to blame.

I wonder if anyone has told him that Japan plays more violent video games than the U.S. does.

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:23 PM