Is Obama a Marxist? by Hero

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

No, I am saying that it is the responsibility of the culture (in terms of said cultures/peoples/races ills) and the parents of the said children to deal with. Not mine, or the governments.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 7:57 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Because I do not think that "5 kids from 5 different fathers" is indeed the typical example of a recipient of wellfare.

You're right. The "typical" welfare recipient is a farmer in the midwest who voted Republican because he doesn't believe in welfare. And as long as you never call farm subsidies (paying someone for what they DON'T grow) "welfare", they'll be just fine...

Mike

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:03 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, I am saying that it is the responsibility of the culture (in terms of said cultures/peoples/races ills) and the parents of the said children to deal with. Not mine, or the governments.

I think you are using the word culture incorrectly. Perhaps you mean society, and if you do then YOU and the GOVERNMENT ARE part of society.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:03 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He does? Everything I've seen has said taxes will stay the same or go down for 95% of Americans. Several websites have run the numbers and verified those figures.

Remember, Hero: Saying it don't make it so.

First of all the 95% figure is not accurrate because a fair number of folks don't pay taxes.

Then there is the whole business of the Bush tax cuts. They expire next year. That means your taxes are going up...and if your planning to die...please do it before January 20th.

So we start out with a tax increase, then Obama targets a few selected tax cuts and give aways to the poor and lower middle class. Net result, higher taxes (they go up, then come down but not as much as they went up). Then there are his tax increases. These will fall on the wealthy and businesses. The wealthy will respond by paying their taxes and holding off on their investments. Businesses will respond by passing on the costs to the poor and middle class consumers and holding off on new jobs, expansion projects, infrastructure improvements, mergers, outsourcing, or just plain closing down.

Its like yachts. Rich people buy yachts. Tax yachts, cause the rich need to pay their fair share. Rich people stop buying yachts. The poor and middle class yacht builders, mechanics, yard workers, etc. all lose their jobs and the WalMarts, McDonalds, etc., towns built up to support them close down.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:03 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Name me ONE state where Socialism is the form of government AND where it has worked.

FantasyLand.

H

Oooo - stay away from FantasyLand. I hear Saddam still has massive stockpiles of WMD there!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:12 AM

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I have no problem with lower taxes for the middle class and higher taxes for the rich.

I find that to be morally wrong. Why should those who work harder and make more pay more ? We all should pay the same % , regardless of what we make. And those who don't make a minimum amount should not have to pay any income taxes.

THAT'S what is fair.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

What is wrong is that the rich pay little to no taxes at all.

how is that fair?

That's a lie, assuming you know the truth, or it's flat out wrong, if some how you don't know it. Either way, it's so absurdly wrong, it's laughable. The RICH pay far and away a much greater share of the tax burden than any other group. That's why THEY get tax cuts, because they're carrying far too much of the burden. The top 1% of the income earners pay nearly 40% of the tax burden.

The rich pay little to no taxes at all ? That supplants MY statement that 95% of Americans don't even pay income taxes in the first place!

Thanks for making an even nuttier comment than I made!!

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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:26 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Ah yes, the poor rich people theory again.

In order to get that rich, you have to use our roads, our bridges, our land's resources, our energy supply, all at a far greater extent than the average citizen does. Businesses pollute more than the average citizen does. And lastly, they use our greatest resource, our people.

It stands to reason to me, that if the well-being of the public is entrusted to the rich, because after all they are the ones who generate the jobs according to you guys, and if that well being just plain isn't well, then they are the ones who are not living up to their contract with us. They are not paying their fair share, at one end or the other.

And if they are not generating jobs here anyway,
then what the fuck are you trying to protect? They're outsourcing all the labor! They are not acting in the best interest of America in the first place, and damn straight they should pay for that.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:26 AM

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:34 AM

SIGNYM

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The top 1% of the income earners pay nearly 40% of the tax burden.

And make 60% of the income. So???

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:38 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Again..

IF EVERYONE PAID 1% OF THEIR INCOME, FROMT HE RICH TO THE POOR....THEN IT WOULD BE FAIR!

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Monday, October 27, 2008 8:43 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

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[That's a lie, assuming you know the truth, or it's flat out wrong, if some how you don't know it. Either way, it's so absurdly wrong, it's laughable. The RICH pay far and away a much greater share of the tax burden than any other group. That's why THEY get tax cuts, because they're carrying far too much of the burden. The top 1% of the income earners pay nearly 40% of the tax burden.

The rich pay little to no taxes at all ? That supplants MY statement that 95% of Americans don't even pay income taxes in the first place!

What a load of crap. Step away from whatever you are smoking.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 9:00 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Again..

IF EVERYONE PAID 1% OF THEIR INCOME, FROMT HE RICH TO THE POOR....THEN IT WOULD BE FAIR!

Would that generate the same amount of money?

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Monday, October 27, 2008 9:25 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by Hero:
Then there are his tax increases. These will fall on the wealthy and businesses. The wealthy will respond by paying their taxes and holding off on their investments. Businesses will respond by passing on the costs to the poor and middle class consumers and holding off on new jobs, expansion projects, infrastructure improvements, mergers, outsourcing, or just plain closing down.

Sorry, sounds like such a flimsy scare tactic, as if the rich would punish everyone else because they got taxed, like spoiled children. "No. I'm going to raise all prices!"

Wouldn't it be just as likely - using the same kind of family of logic - that since the poor and middle classes are taxed less giving them more discretionary income, that they would actually buy more widgets and thereby compensate the wealthy and businesses?

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Name me ONE state where Socialism is the form of government AND where it has worked. WITHOUT TAKING AWAY THE PEOPLES FREEDOM.

State? Or Country?

How about Sweden?

While there's no country that's truly socialist, if we go by what socialism apparently means to most Americans, you could name just about any Western European nation, they all have some form of social democracy and the vast majority of people there wouldn't want to have any other type of government.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:45 AM

FREMDFIRMA

You know, Wulfie does have a point, he's just expressing it badly.

First off, there's a lotta shit we can just plain do without, foreign aid, military interventions, war toys that often don't even WORK (good heavens, don't get me started) and the tremendous black budgets of the alphabet goons, which mostly use em to commit terrorism against US, subsidies, corporate welfare, bailouts...

You cut some big gaping chunks of that shit out, you'll reduce operating costs a lot - and see also my concept of tax abatement for people who make under $15K a year, which would spare operating costs significantly on those systems as well.

We cut, and keep cutting till we reach stuff that a majority can agree on that we actually NEED, and then seperate it by responsibility - the feds don't need to maintain the park down the street, your city can do that, for example, or not, as the people who live there should get to decide.

Cut it down to areas of responsibility, Fed, State and Local - more useful say, to have a uniform standard for interstate highways, so we'd file that under Federal, but repaving main street, that would be local, let the decisions lie as close to the people affected as humanly possible, right ?

And then use a flat scale percentage on whole assets, rather than income, and I bet you could get it under double digits if you cut enough of the bullshit and pork.

As it is, I make barely enough to pay the bills, and I get hit with in excess of 34% depending on how much I pull in as an independant contractor, and then I get hit with motor fuel tax, a tax on every damn thing I buy, property taxes, utility line taxes, and god forbid I wanna belt of cheap whiskey or a smoke, cause then you get a nice slam of religious tax based on a morality I passionately despise....

That's just insane, I bet if I took records for a month and tallied the lot, more than HALF my income goes to taxes, and you can imagine this annoys the piss out of me suckin on cheap ramen while the folks making those decisions are shopping at Saks Fifth, right ?

Look, I don't see it as socialism, but more of a sort of contract mutualism - no, I don't mind so much my taxes goin to keep the roads in order, the bridges from crumbling, the power grid safely operative and all the other bits of infrastructure necessary to maintain our way of life, I am OK with that, and mildly begruding, but accepting, of tossing down on their luck folks a bit of help to make it through, in fact I wouldn't mind if they upped it a bit, since it damn sure ain't enough now.

But I DO mind the blatant waste, fraud and pork, bridges to nowhere and pet projects designed to fail while sucking up as much largess as possible, and a legal system that's such a goddamn nightmare no human being can live one day of a normal life without committing at least three crimes - and all the expense that comes with trying to enforce that ridiculous bullshit.

A flat tax on whole assets is entirely workable, but FIRST we'd have to go through the budget with a goddamn chainsaw, and then follow through with a serious purging of the legal system that's allowed, if not encouraged, things to get as fucked up as they are.

And the problem is, we're in a position where we're asking the gobblers at the trough to shut off their own supply - without something a little more serious than laughable protests which are meaningless up against the gargantuan corporate voting blocs, donations and the ability to gerrymander their own permanent incumbancy, it's just not gonna happen.

I still like my idea of replacing the 1040 with a tax form that allows the payer to decide what every cent is used for, that would cut a whole lot of this crap off right there, cause no one would voluntarily fund it.

-Frem

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Monday, October 27, 2008 12:44 PM

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Obama is a train wreck, just waiting to happen.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 2:56 PM

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Obama is a member of the New Party, formed by members of the Democratic Socialists for America and the Community Party USA
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BTW, the tax rate in Sweden was over 100%, resulting in a disgruntled female author of children's books being elected to run the monarchy.

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:12 AM

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Terrorist Hussein Obama murdered 1,000 Christians and burned 800 churches during his Communist presidential campaigns in Kenya. Obama's cousin named his son Fidel Castro. Obama wants 500,000 more illegal aliens in USA ASAP.
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While Sam Zell is selling out the future of his own people by refusing to release the tape of Barack Obama toasting known anti-Semite and PLO functionary, Rashid Khalidi, I have been fortunate enough to receive a probable transcript of the toast…

HERE IT IS:

****BEGINNING OF TRANSCRIPT***********

Um, ah….Salaam

Um….My distinguished guests….ughh….it is an honor to be here…

uhh….It is truly refreshing to be surrounded by such a large group of people in which…uh.. I can truly see eye-to-eye with…uh…and completely agree…

Reverend Farrakhan..ughh…great to see you tonight…you always look great in a yellow bow-tie…and..uhh…tonight is no exception….

Bill..Bernadine….I see you everyday…so I don’t need to say much…but…ughh…you know I love you….keep doing the work you do….it’s time to start a revolution

Reverend Wright…..ughh…you are the father that I never had….I’ve never missed a sermon…and…uhh….I never will…

Michelle, while I find your frown so beautiful….I hope to one day make you proud of this country..and uhh…happy…and finally see you smile….

uhhhhh…with that being said…If everyone could please hold off from hitting the hookah…I would like to say a toast..to my, and Yasser Arafat’s, best friend….Mr. Rashid Khalidi….

Rashid…..you are my best friend….spiritual compass…..and baby sitter (crowd laughs..and cries)

I want to thank you for your constant indoctrination….I want to thank you for your imput..and..uhhh…reminders…that Israel is a constant sore….and..uhh…needs to be eliminated off the map….

I also want to thank you for introducing me to your many contacts in the middle east…I am sure…uh…that their imput……and uh…money…..will be of great use to me as I run for President of these great 57 states…..

While David Axelrod may be forcing you to move away from me during the campaign….I am confident…that..uhh…our friendship will not only remain..but actually prosper..during our time of absence….

Rashid…you ARE my middle east adviser….and you ALWAYS will be…

Here’s to Rashid……(A chant of Messiah can be heard in the background….also audible…is a voice (thought to be Ayer’s) screaming REVOLUTION…REVOLUTION..over and over…)

Salaam….

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Mark my words.

2008 is 1976 come again.

1. The country is making an illogical and emotional choice against a previous administration they feel betrayed them. (Nixon then, Bush now).

2. The country will reject a decient man and Naval hero as a result (Ford then, McCain now)

3. In favor of a socialist who just 18 months prior they didn't even know (Carter then, Obama now)

4. An economy already teetering will be sent sliding when the new administration creates an anti-business climate while supported by a democratically controlled house and senate. (1977-1981 then, 2009-2013 now)

It's just repeating history. Unfortunately nobody remembers those years because most (like me) either weren't born yet or were too little to know anything about anything.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:48 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

PN

According to all available information Obama did not and does not agree with the PLO but rather seeks common ground.

Would you say that Clinton was a PLO supporter because he sought an end to Mid-East violence and division ? How about George HW Bush ? Or Ronald Reagan ? Jimmy Carter and the Camp David Accords ?

Please PN - try to put aside your delusions. They make you miserable and you end up wasting your time, energy and resources fighting pointless fights instead of fixing real problems.

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:57 AM

RIVERLOVE

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Mark my words.

2008 is 1976 come again.

1. The country is making an illogical and emotional choice against a previous administration they feel betrayed them. (Nixon then, Bush now).

2. The counrty will reject a decient man and Naval hero as a result (Ford then, McCain now)

3. In favor of a socialist who just 18 months prior they didn't even know (Carter then, Obama now)

4. An economy already teetering will be sent sliding when the new administration creates an anti-business climate while supported by a democratically controlled house and senate. (1977-1981 then, 2009-2013 now)

It's just repeating history. Unfortunately nobody remembers those years because most (like me) either weren't born yet or were too little to know anything about anything.

Oh that is too intelligent for these boards. That is too true for these boards. That is too perfect for these boards. Prepare for an onslaught of personal attacks and factual corrections. But I like it!

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:03 AM

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"Prepare for an onslaught of ... factual corrections."

What do you have against FACTS ? Do you think FACTS should be counted with all the things wrong with the world ?

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:18 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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“That is why Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief: it stresses man's capacity to shape his material destiny – finite and defined as man's only reality – and it postulates the absolute capacity of man to truly understand his reality as a point of departure for his active endeavors to shape it. To a greater extent than any previous mode of political thinking, Marxism puts a premium on the systematic and rigorous examination of material reality and on guides to action derived from that examination.”
—Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Obama's jewish Polack National Security Advisor, Between Two Ages, 1970
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=46081.0

Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan

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"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough. Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at. Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.''
-Professor Bill Ayers, FBI/CIA employee and confessed bomber of NYPD HQ, US Capitol, NY Supreme Court, bombed and killed two female bombers in his house, busted CIA LSD mind-control agent Timothy Leary out of prison, confessed to 12 bombings but never prosecuted, author of Barack Hussien Obama Sotoro's authorized biography and grant recipient of Obama's Annenberg Foundation

Hussein Obama Soetoro's granny says Hussein was born in British Kenya, Obama's lawyers admitted that in federal court, federal judge opins that US presidents can be illegal aliens in opinion written by Obamas' employers:
www.obamacrimes.com

Terrorist Hussein Obama murdered 1,000 Christians and burned 800 churches during his Communist presidential campaigns in Kenya. Obam's cousin named his son Fidel Castro.

http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamanation-raped-killed-100
0_25.html
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78132

Obama is a member of the New Party, formed by members of the Democratic Socialists for America and the Community Party USA
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com

FAIRNESS DOCTRINE:

MaCain's wife is a Mafia princess, and his father-in-law is a convicted felon bootlegger for Jewish Meyer Lanski mafiya in Israel.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.crime/browse_thread/thread/7fc1126c
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:25 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Sigh... we are screwed either way.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:29 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Just trying to understand: what's wrong with "Socialism?" Why is that such a radioactive word? As if mentioning it is akin to Satanic worship? Don't we already have socialistic programs in place, (welfare, medicare)?

Few folks know the real story of the Pilgrims here in the US. When they first came over, everyone in the settlement was told to give up what they grew and made to be put into the ' communal hopper' . That turned into a disaster, as folks realized they could 'take' from the community w/ out giving their all. The next season, the settlers were given each a plot of land, and they were told they could keep what ever it is they grew. The harvest was so bountiful that the settlers invited the Indians, they had so much food to share.

The Pilgrims weren't thanking the Indians for saving them from the harsh winter, they were thanking God for the bounty they grew, and showed this thanksgiving by inviting the locals.

And thus we have THANKSGIVING

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:29 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Thx for the info. In that situation - a group so far from their home and where each person can see closely what the other is doing - it makes sense to put such a plan in place. Like a small office where if a co-worker is dragging and you have to pick up their slack (we've all been there right?) you want to have someone light a fire or get rid of them. It's just simply not fair.
That seems to be the essence of the Obama/Socialism connection and complaint - people are worried that some people just aren't gonna work, and it's unfair ("it's bullshit!") for those of us that do to share anything with those that don't.

Great, 300 million people:

1. What's your plan to get everyone working? Seriously, I'm with you 100%, get everyone pushing in the same direction. If I have to work, everyone has to work. How you gonna do that?

2. What do you do about people that just don't or won't work? Debtors prisons? Gulags? Send buses to pick them up each morning and take them to labor camps?

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:55 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by riverlove:

Oh that is too intelligent for these boards. That is too true for these boards. That is too perfect for these boards. Prepare for an onslaught of personal attacks and factual corrections. But I like it!

Well it's been about 24 hours with no personal attacks yet. Perhaps some humor will provoke one?

Here's the lyrics of a song that's playing here in Indiana. It's sung to one of the tunes for a Freecreditreport dot com TV ad. Think of the commerical where the singer is in his wife's parents basement:

"Oh I married my dream girl,
I married my dream girl,
But she didn't tell me
her credit was bad"

Yea, that one.
Here's the new song.

Well he talked to a plumber
He talked to a plumber
But he didn't realize
The cameras were on

And now we've heard him admit to the wealth he's spreading
Leaving us to wonder where our moneys gone.

Are we electing a clone
Of a socialist drone?
Just because he gives good speeches
and he prays to the lord.

If you liked the 1970's and Jimmy Carter
Vote democrat but never say that you were not warned.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:28 AM

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"Is Obama a Marxist?"

Hardly. Obama is far more conservative than most people realize.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:59 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Is Obama a Marxist?"

Hardly. Obama is far more conservative than most people realize.

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No laughing emoticon available which conveys the absurdity of your post.

By " most people" , do you mean the Karl Marx fan club ?

Obama wants to trash the Constitution, because it doesn't speak of rights the GOVERNMENT has to control our lives.

No thanks, I'll stick w/ what the founders had in mind, and life for freedom instead of servitude to the STATE.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:03 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Whatever.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:09 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Off topic, but I didn't want to start another thread just for a comment:

I've mentioned several times that this is a contest between Bush and racism. What that means is that is doesn't matter who is running on the repubican side - it's about Bush. It DOES matter who's running on the 'black' side. For Obama to win he has to be more than twice as good as a white person; and, frankly, Bush has to be twice as bad a president, for many people to consider voting for a n****r.

If Obama wins, it will be despite prevalent racism, not b/c somehow, America's gotten over it.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:12 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Rue,

Give me a fucking break.

Racism is long since dead.

If I, or anyone else, don't like a particular group of people...its because of their actions.

Not their skin color.

"...judged by their actions and not the color of their skin."

The "Dream" has already happened.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:18 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Racism is long since dead."

OOOkaaaay then.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

"... an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles. More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views. Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks."

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:28 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Whatever.

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Clinton Proposes Orwellian Computer Monitoring System

Dean: 'Big Brother Will Know Your Every Move'

Free Congress Foundation Press Office

July 28, 1999

Washington, DC - The Clinton Administration has formulated
an anit-cyberterrorism plan to monitor computer networks in
critical industries, raising concerns from civil liberties
groups and privacy advocates, The New York Times reported
today.

"This computer tracking system should make every American
shudder at the thought of their loss of privacy," said Lisa
S. Dean, Vice President of Technology Policy at the Free
Congress Foundation and leader of the effort to expose the
proposed Know Your Customer regulations. "Every electronic
transmission will be under a microscope. Big Brother will
know your every move."

"Given the aggressiveness with which the Clinton
Administration has pursued policies that would erode the
privacy and liberty of American citizens, coupled with the
numerous IRS abuses and the 900 FBI files that that were to
be kept confidential, it is realistic to be concerned about
how the federal government could misuse this information
against law-abiding citizens," Dean continued. "Another
grave concern is how this system would integrate civilian,
military, intelligence and law enforcement components toward
this end. But worse yet, the monitoring system itself could
be open to security breaches, giving hackers or terrorists
access to a one-stop shop for government and corporate
electronic information."

The National Security Council contends the plan is a
necessary measure to ward off potential threats to the
nation's vital computer infrastructure.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:31 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Off topic, but I didn't want to start another thread just for a comment:

I've mentioned several times that this is a contest between Bush and racism. What that means is that is doesn't matter who is running on the repubican side - it's about Bush. It DOES matter who's running on the 'black' side. For Obama to win he has to be more than twice as good as a white person; and, frankly, Bush has to be twice as bad a president, for many people to consider voting for a n****r.

If Obama wins, it will be despite prevalent racism, not b/c somehow, America's gotten over it.

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Bush isn't running for President.

McCain isn't Bush.

America's far less racist than is advertised, and has been, for qutie some time. Not accepting the ideas of a person whose skin doesn't reflect as much light as other's doesn't make anyone a racist. It just means you disagree.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Racism is long since dead.

No, it's not. And neither is sexism.

Transgender Experience Led Stanford Scientist To Critique Gender Difference
Quote:
2006 — Ben Barres has a distinct edge over the many others who have joined the debate about whether men’s brains are innately better suited for science than women’s. He doesn’t just make an abstract argument about the similarities and differences between the genders; he has lived as both.
Barres’ experience... contrary to Summers’ remarks, the lack of women in the upper reaches of research has more to do with bias than aptitude.

“This is a street fight,” said Barres, MD, PhD,... at the Stanford University School of Medicine, referring to the gang of male academics and pundits who have attacked women scientists critical of arguments about their alleged biological inferiority. Where Summers sees innate differences, Barres sees discrimination. As a young woman—Barbara—he said he was discouraged from setting his sights on MIT, where he ended up receiving his bachelor’s degree. Once there, he was told that a boyfriend must have solved a hard math problem that he had answered and that had stumped most men in the class. After he began living as a man in 1997, Barres overheard another scientist say, “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but his work is much better than his sister’s work.”

... What’s worse is that some women don’t recognize that they are treated differently because, unlike him, they’ve never known anything else. ... The situation is similar for minorities. ... In his commentary Barres points to data from a range of studies showing bias in science.

For example, when a mixed panel of scientists evaluated grant proposals without names, men and women fared equally well. However, competing unblinded, a woman applying for a research grant needed to be three times more productive than men to be considered equally competent.
...Barres said that critics have dismissed women who complain of discrimination in science as being irrational and emotional
Just as critics dimiss blacks who complain of discrimination as being angry and prejudiced against whites.

In point of fact, Wulf, there are many "blinded" studies which reveal prejudice against women, blacks, and hispanics.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:35 AM

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http://www.gcn.com/print/vol18_no35/859-1.html

FIDnet will monitor federal, not private, nets, administration says

"“As envisioned, FIDnet is being designed to monitor federal executive branch computer networks for intrusions, not private networks or the Internet in general,” said Jon P. Jennings, acting assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s Office of Legislative Affairs.

“The federal government, like any other organization connected to the global Internet, must take steps, consistent with existing laws and constitutional protections, to protect its critical computer networks from attacks by hackers, cyberterrorists or foreign enemies,” he said. “Protecting our networks is simply responsible computer security.”"

So, do you claim the government has no right to monitor it OWN networks for intrusion ?

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:45 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Bush isn't running for President."

No, but this election IS a referendum on Bush.

"McCain isn't Bush."

It really doesn't matter WHO is running, it's still substantially about Bush.

"America's far less racist than is advertised ..."

According to studies of unconscious associations, roughly 80% of people have negative associations with generic 'blacks' (but not with whites) including about 50% of blacks. (Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking, Malcolm Gladwell)

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:15 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
rue wrote:
Thursday, October 30, 2008 06:35

So, do you claim the government has no right to monitor it OWN networks for intrusion ?

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Rap --- you have to remember that your 'information' sources are inaccurate at best, and liars at worst. That's why you ALWAYS get basic facts wrong.

So, you believe it when Gov't tells you it'll ONLY monitor its own, but when it says it'll monitor terrorist, and not private citizens, you have your doubts ?

This from the folks who hack into Gov. Palin's e-mail account, and then reveal the tax info on a private citizen, in 'Joe the Plumber' ! Unbelievable !!!

You've never shown my sources to be "wrong", only that you disagree with them and what I say. Disagreeing w/ you is far from being wrong or lying, it's tantamount to being the word of God, if anything. Do you DENY that the Clinton White House obtained 100's of FBI files, none of which it was LEGALLY allowed to have, and that they just found their way into the White House.... " somehow " ??

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:29 AM

Quote:

Obama wants to trash the Constitution, because it doesn't speak of rights the GOVERNMENT has to control our lives.

Cites, please?

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:35 AM

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Bush isn't running for President.

No, but his legacy is basically "on trial" in this election - it's seen as a repudiation of "the Bush Doctrine" (whatever that is; ask Sarah Palin)

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McCain isn't Bush.

How can you tell? Can you name me one SUBSTANTIVE difference between the two on major policy issues?

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Not accepting the ideas of a person whose skin doesn't reflect as much light as other's doesn't make anyone a racist.

Not accepting the ideas of a person SOLELY because their skin doesn't reflect as much light as others DOES make you a racist. That's a textbook example. What about that concept is so hard for you to figure out?

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:39 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"So, you believe it when Gov't tells you it'll ONLY monitor its own..."

Depends on the administration.

And, technically, fiscally, and administratively it's hard to claim a system will do one thing (monitor executive branch computer systems for intrusions) and then build, run, and pay for a system to do something else (monitor the entire network for 'whisperings').

If you've ever tried to design and write an information system (and I know you haven't, but I have) then you know that the technology that works for something smaller will fail with something larger.

The scale-up factor between monitoring executive branch computers and the entire private network in the US alone is well over 10 million to one. You can't design and build a system to do one and then have it make 10 million more connections. You can't budget for one job and then somehow sneak in another job that's 10 million times bigger. You can't create a work force to do one job and then give them a job 10 million times bigger. It's just not possible.

"... but when it says it'll monitor terrorist, and not private citizens, you have your doubts."

The Bush administration has been SHOWN to have ILLEGALLY obtained phone records of 1 in every ten American citizens each year over the course of 4 years (or more) without warrants or without court orders. They have been SHOWN to have ILLEGALLY listened in on conversations of people Americans not suspected of anything, without court orders. They has been SHOWN to have ILLEGALLY tracked financial transactions of innocent Americans not suspected of anything, without court orders. And this is only a sampler of illegal administration spying.

It's not a matter of 'doubt', it's a matter of fact.

"This from "the folks" who hack into Gov. Palin's e-mail account ..."

Which 'folks' - the government ? 'Democrats' ? 'Libr'ls' ? Or some hacker ?

"... then reveal the tax info on a private citizen, in 'Joe the Plumber' !"

Again - which 'folks' - the government ? 'Democrats' ? 'Libr'ls' ?
When you have to wave your hands in all directions to blame some generic 'them', it means you don't have a real point. Just some random biases that you spew.

"You've never shown my sources to be "wrong" ..."

But I have, to anyone interested in facts.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:48 AM

SERGEANTX

It's kind of unbelievable that anyone who voted for the bailout swindle could accuse someone else of 'socialism'. Glass houses much?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:07 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Bush isn't running for President.

No, but his legacy is basically "on trial" in this election - it's seen as a repudiation of "the Bush Doctrine" (whatever that is; ask Sarah Palin)

There are several definitions to what the Bush Doctrine are, and Gov't Palin happen to get one of them dead on right.

Quote:

McCain isn't Bush.

How can you tell? Can you name me one SUBSTANTIVE difference between the two on major policy issues?

I can name a few, if you'd like.

The issues on which McCain and Bush differ are legion:

• McCain fought for campaign finance reform -- McCain-Feingold -- that Bush fought and ultimately signed because he had no choice.

• McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture.

• McCain went with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.

• McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.

• McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.

• McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican Senators oppose.

• McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.

• After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.

• McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress)

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Not accepting the ideas of a person whose skin doesn't reflect as much light as other's doesn't make anyone a racist.

Not accepting the ideas of a person SOLELY because their skin doesn't reflect as much light as others DOES make you a racist. That's a textbook example. What about that concept is so hard for you to figure out?

But none of my disagreements w/ Obama have to do w/ skin color in the 1st place, so the whole ' racist' issue is moot.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:07 AM

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• McCain fought for campaign finance reform -- McCain-Feingold -- that Bush fought and ultimately signed because he had no choice.

And then he tried to get around it by taking government funding for his campaign and theeennn --- exceeding FEDERAL LAW spending limits. The LAW he helped write. A move that got him noticed by the FEC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008
022103141_pf.html
So that makes McCain a what, again ? Can you say hypocrite ? Sure you can. Can you say law-breaker ?

• McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture.

And then ..."in February, McCain voted against a bill that would have limited the CIA to following the techniques outlined in the Army Field Manual."
So that makes McCain a what, again ? Can you say flip-flopper ? Sure you can.

• McCain went with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.

"As the earth's climate warms, the federal government should be promoting conservation and identifying alternatives to fossil fuels ... McCain once knew this. In an interview at the Globe in December, he deplored the Bush administration's record on global warming, saying "history will judge them very harshly." Six months later, he wants to drill for more fossil fuel. The old McCain would judge this new McCain harshly, too."

• McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.

So, he was against them before he was for them ?

• McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.

Obama urged timelines, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom. Also, the UN mandate is about to be up and we have to get out. That makes NOT planning for this known deadline irresponsible.

• McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican Senators oppose.

"Aug 11th, 2008
Last month, the House passed legislation — sparking the ire of conservatives — that would grant the FDA stronger regulation power over the tobacco industry, mirroring a 1998 proposal authored by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). At the time, McCain said he would “never” give up on his anti-tobacco efforts.
As the Wonk Room noted, however, McCain recently signaled that he had doubts with the House legislation, stating he wouldn’t “commit to voting for it until he sees the final legislation.” Roll Call reports today that McCain is “declining to embrace” his own legislation ..."

• McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.

As long as they are coal, offshore oil and nuclear power plants, eh ?

"When new leadership took over Congress and began the process of righting our energy policy and putting us on the road toward the clean energy future, John McCain couldn't find time to make any of the 23 Senate votes cast over a 6-month period of time on last year's landmark energy bill. When every single other senator voted and a provision to repeal billions in government giveaways to Big Oil in order to fund clean energy lost by a single vote, John McCain was nowhere to be found."

• After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.

"McCain Defends 'Enron Loophole'"
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/051908Leopold.shtml

• McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress)

"And I’m proud to tell you, Chris, in 24 years as a member of Congress, I have never asked for nor received a single earmark or pork barrel project for my state ...
McCain’s claim is false. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist.

In 2003, McCain also slipped $14.3 million into a defense appropriations bill to
create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. As Roll Call reported in 2003, this project violated McCain’s own anti-pork rhetoric ..."

And then, there is Palin ...

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Auraptor has forgotten his old god, Bush. Soon, he will revile everything that the old god stood for and embrace his new god, McCain.

It's kinda like watching a pod person being born. It's fascinating how quickly a person can turn their entire thinking around without acknowledging that anything happened. Creepifyin' too.

But I can say "I told you so", as I predicted about three months ago that this would happen. Poor Rapo, to be lost on ever-shifting sand.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:53 AM