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DALLAS - A leading social conservative, who asked not to be named, has confirmed reports in Politico and The New York Times that major players in the movement plan to meet in Virginia next week after Tuesday’s presidential election between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain. Their mission will be to chart the next course for their movement and the Republican Party. If McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin – the rising star with this set — pull off an upset win, they will be in a jubilant mood. But the meeting seems more premised on the scenario of a McCain loss, which most opinion polls suggest at this point.

“There is a consensus that the Republican Party is in trouble,” said the source, who plans to attend the meeting.

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Originally posted by rue:
You probably weren't invited b/c, as the new person, you'd have to bring the bagels. And honestly, people are a little leery of your bagels.

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If the Arizona senator wins, the discussion will feature much talk of, "How do we work with this administration?" said the attendee, an acknowledgement that conservatives won't always have a reliable ally in the Oval Office. Under this scenario, Palin would be seen as their conduit to power. “She would be the conservative in the White House,” is how the source put it.

Should McCain lose next Tuesday, the conversation will include who to groom as the next generation of conservative leaders – a list that will feature Palin at or near the top.

Individuals aside, the broader aim of the session is to assess where the party and movement stand after what is virtually certain to be the second consecutive election in which Democrats make gains. The post-mortem will then lead way to a focus on what role conservatives play going forward both in the GOP and the political system ahead of the 2010 midterms.

Few believe that the Republican party will respond to another brutal election by following a path of moderation but conservatives are deeply dispirited and anxious to reassert the core values they believe have not always been followed by Bush, congressional leaders and their party’s presidential nominee . Many on the right, both elites and the rank-and-file, see a rudderless party that is in dire need of new blood and old principles: small government, a robust national security and unapologetic social conservatism.

Rush Limbaugh, a powerful figure in the party whose influence has spanned years of the GOP in and out of power, gave voice to this frustration Tuesday, saying candidly that "there is no elected or political leadership in Washington or in the Republican Party that people can rally around,"

Though they’ve been unhappy for some time about the state of the party, the push by Bush, McCain and other party leaders to stem the credit crisis by bailing out Wall Street this fall represented the last straw. It will almost certainly represent one of the first major fault lines in GOP’s rebuilding process, with many in the party seizing upon the rescue as the most vivid illustration of a party gone astray.

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I'd could tell a bagel joke that involves cream, but I wo'nt go there.

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I'd could tell a bagel joke that involves cream, but I wo'nt go there.

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I think that's what people are worried about - that you've ALREADY "gone there". ;)

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Religious involvement in legislation can be very different than religious folks legislating.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Still a damn bad idea, any way you slice it.

Prohibition (Temperance Movement).
Excise "Sin" taxes based on morality/theology.
Blue Laws.

And of course, the travesties spawned by the McCarthy era, including contamination of our Pledge and Coinage with religious slogans favoring a particular belief, which in my eyes, comes damned close to state-sponsored religion.

Oh, and let's not fail to mention that Gov't "approved" religious groups get taxs breaks that non-approved religions don't - and of course all that unsupervised and mostly unaccounted for taxpayer slush money for "Faith Based Initiatives", which mostly amounts to them building churches and preaching hate against folk like me, on my tax dime...

You can imagine I ain't too damn happy about that one, neither.

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Originally posted by AURaptor: Been there, done that. Same old story which Reagan had to deal with, back in '76.

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Originally posted by rue:
Mal, Them's fightin' words to Rap. Rap thinks Reagan was the best president ever, case closed, end of story.

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He's good at "closing cases" and "end of stories".

Anyway...this same principle can also be observed in the behavior of children on the schoolyard. "Don't you call my friend a poo head!"..."Nope he isn't! Infinity!!...I'm not talking to you anymore"

But all the Pubbys are under a lot of stress right now. Next week they'll hopefully have the five stages of grief to go through, and power madness withdrawl symptoms. It's be tough and I'll be there to support them

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Mal, Them's fightin' words to Rap. Rap thinks Reagan was the best president ever, case closed, end of story.

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He's good at "closing cases" and "end of stories".

Anyway...this same principle can also be observed in the behavior of children on the schoolyard. "Don't you call my friend a poo head!"..."Nope he isn't! Infinity!!...I'm not talking to you anymore"

But all the Pubbys are under a lot of stress right now. Next week they'll hopefully have the five stages of grief to go through, and power madness withdrawl symptoms. It's be tough and I'll be there to support them

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
leaving him and many believers behind, unrepresented.

Reagan spoke of God far more often than W does, yet isn't vilified for it. I find that some what curious.

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leaving him and many believers behind, unrepresented.

Reagan spoke of God far more often than W does, yet isn't vilified for it. I find that some what curious.

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Evangelicals should not have representation "as such". Evangelism needs to stay in Church on Sundays where it belongs and won't violate the separation of church and state.

The reason "W" is villified for religious whack jobs is because during the Reagan administration...the extent of the damage hadn't had time to become noticably corrosive to tolerance within our society. Plus Reagan Bible thumpers weren't as cocky as the goose stepping liberty infringing version of evangelicals we have today...like Sarah Palin for example.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
...and unapologetic social conservatism.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Still a damn bad idea, any way you slice it.

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You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Finally, a true statement from you, d**kwad.



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When you grow up and can comprehend whole actual thoughts, and understand how things are in context, we'll talk. It'll be fun, you'll see!

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When you grow up and can comprehend whole actual thoughts, and understand how things are in context, we'll talk. It'll be fun, you'll see!

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Y'know, you're one of the few peeps that kicking the s**t out of IRL would hold some interest for me. After your semi-conscious form was slayed on the ground, I'm sure I'd hear you mumble "I let you win...".

Douchebag.

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You're a great example of when little people have big dreams.


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Originally posted by AURaptor: Sarah Palin? ROFLMAO!! Under no realm of the real world what so ever is she a ' goose stepper liberty infringing " anything. My god, you folks have seriously gone Naomi Wolf nuts over Sarah, and it makes me laugh and laugh!

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That's the spirit, humor keeps us from that uncontrolled hostility you were having earlier". Palin wants to dictate whether or not Gays get married which takes away thier human rights, and she wants to dictate and judge as to whether or not women can decide if she lives or dies during pregnancy complications making Palin a potential manslaughterer if she has her way.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Sure, I'm seeing how Libs would prefer Preachers stay in their churches, and give more MAINSTREAM messages, like Rev Wright or Rev. Flagler, huh?
Or , if they don't even HAVE their own churches, be more like Rev Jessie ( hymie town ) Jackson or Rev Al ( Tawanna ) Sharpton?

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No, Wright, Flagler, Graham, O'Steen, Jackson, Sharpton, AURaptor's spiritual advisor, MalBad's Guru, Haggee, and every last spiritual advisor in America needs limit thier perception of thier own voting influence to the one vote they have as an individual...NOT as the potential to influence other voters through thier religion. Same goes for individual Church attendees. For Christians especially, they each represent one vote, with no more potency because somebody waved chicken feet over someone and blessed them. Outside of Church...campaign your ass off, because if your Church is campaiging they shouldn't get tax exempt status.

Did I ever tell you what a nice guy you are AURaptor? You have stick to it, and that is admirable.

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Must be fun to live in a world where you simply ignore reality and make up what you want, wholesale.

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Sure, I'm seeing how Libs would prefer Preachers stay in their churches, and give more MAINSTREAM messages, like Rev Wright or Rev. Flagler, huh?

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We're more or less a practicing Italian-Fascist type state, no matter how we pretend that ain't happened.

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Originally posted by AURaptor: Sarah Palin? ROFLMAO!! Under no realm of the real world what so ever is she a ' goose stepper liberty infringing " anything. My god, you folks have seriously gone Naomi Wolf nuts over Sarah, and it makes me laugh and laugh!

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That's the spirit, humor keeps us from that uncontrolled hostility you were having earlier". Palin wants to dictate whether or not Gays get married which takes away thier human rights,

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and she wants to dictate and judge as to whether or not women can decide if she lives or dies during pregnancy complications making Palin a potential manslaughterer if she has her way.

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Manslaughter ? Youi don't consider 40+ MILLION deaths by abortion to be " manslaughter " ???
Wow....I mean...just WOW!

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. Outside of Church...campaign your ass off, because if your Church is campaiging they shouldn't get tax exempt status.

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Well duh! We agree!

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Did I ever tell you what a nice guy you are AURaptor? You have stick to it, and that is admirable.

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And as for " health of the mother" , later term abortions should be decided by doctors who concluded there is a very real threat to the mothers life, and not the dubious " well being of her health" crap we sometimes hear. At issue should be the actual physical health of the mother, and the very real threat of her dying , suffering major injury at carrying to full term.

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Shared goals and similar views on achieving those goals can only result in good things, imo.




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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So Rap, gonna bitch the next time someone trims their fingernails cause every DNA strand is a "potential lifeform" ?

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(All too common cause of the incredible amount of bullshit and money required to adopt, yet ANOTHER nail in the coffin of my relationship thank you very not fucking much for the reminder..

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If only I knew or cared wtf you were talking about......nah..doesn't matter anyway.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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And I certainly do not share your vile beliefs, or have any respect for your monstrous demon-god, so why the hell would I necessarily agree with your RELIGIOUS belief that any collection of cells or tissue in particular is a person until it's sitting in front of me in THIS world operating under it's own conscious direction ?

I might take it as far as that, and I might not, but it's not like anyone ever asked me, did they ?

No, you just assume, imply or ignore - frankly, you're the blindest of us all, and do not even realize this fact, when it comes right down to it, in spite of admitting your own ignorance.

No, you don't know "wtf I am talking about", and yet, you add your useless two penniesworth anyway, and all you do is show how ignorant and malicious you are.

You're being a dick, and I am calling you on it.

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As long as she gets to fuck who she wants, when, and where she wants, and as often as she wants, that's all that really matters in this world, right ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor: I'd cede 1st trimester abortions, but much beyond that point, you start getting, IMO, into not only the life issue, but more to the point, the RIGHTS issue, of the unborn. I doubt any agreement will be reached on LIFE, SOUL origins, but it seems fairly simple to me that, at some stage, those cells dividing and growing get to a point where a heart is pumping and a brain is functioning enough that we can call this former fetus an unborn human. Humans have rights, and we must be honest enough w/ ourselves to recognize that while the woman has rights to her own body, at some point in the symbiotic relationship she shares w/ the fetus, the rights of the mother cease to be all encompassing and the rights of the unborn emerge.

And as for " health of the mother" , later term abortions should be decided by doctors who concluded there is a very real threat to the mothers life, and not the dubious " well being of her health" crap we sometimes hear. At issue should be the actual physical health of the mother, and the very real threat of her dying , suffering major injury at carrying to full term.

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As long as she gets to fuck who she wants, when, and where she wants, and as often as she wants, that's all that really matters in this world, right ?

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The resentment of women.
Because you had a hard time getting any in your formative years, you now hate all women for having the fun you couldn't. You hate them for their control of the sexual landscape, and want to control them back...all too typical.

You really disappoint me, AUDobson.

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Not quite...Palin, unlike McCain, Obama, and Biden actually favors a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages. She condescends to proclaim that she does approve of hospital visitation rights and that she knows of gay people in Alaska. Even McCain thinks it should be a state issue, but Palin is grandios and wants to champion God's cause nationally.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jUUZ7NJlIM4Azi7MafXRythJutNgD93UJBU
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Then you are almost Liberal compared to Palin. That's a compliment. Palin thinks God decides whether or not the baby or mother die. I don't think Palin's witchcraft exorcism worked very well.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:I've been called worse by the Religious Right, because I don't share their bible centric view of how the Goverment should be run. I liken myself more to a Thomas Jefferson conservative, than the Religious Right variety. Palin may very well believe what you claim. Or she may not. It doesn't matter, one ioata. Her views can't change how this country as a whole sees the issue of abortion. Even if/ when she becomes President, and some how Roe v Wade is overturned ( which many agree, IS very poor law ), in no way what so ever will her personal wishes be projected onto society here in the U.S.

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Man is stronger by far than woman, yet only woman can create a child. Does that seem right to you?

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Man is stronger by far than woman, yet only woman can create a child. Does that seem right to you?

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Quote your favourite misogynist why doncha?

I hit it.

AUDobson of the He-Man Woman Hater's Society.

When you stop hating women, that's when you'll find a stable relationship, yo.

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Man, you're easy.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Palin is running for VP candidate. Her views on this issue, as do those of most any V.P. , amount to a pile of nothing. Accusations of her being so uber Christian, far out of the mainstream, are hyper exaggerated. I applaud her convictions and gladly welcome her views into Government.

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