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If McCain had campaigned like he conceded...

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Honorable, gracious, and caring deeply about the country.

Who the h*ll was running his campaign????

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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Honorable, gracious, and caring deeply about the country.

Who the h*ll was running his campaign????

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McCain was always McCain, but he never had it in him to hit hard enough.

He was never my choice, and he showed why.



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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:05 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was always McCain, but he never had it in him to hit hard enough.

He was never my choice, and he showed why.


That's as lame as it comes friend. You sound like one of those pre-election Palin bashers of the so-called Conservative ilk, George Will and Bill Kristol. They betrayed their own Party because of their own over-inflated sense of self-worth & self-importance. They were "afraid" to lose, so they hedged their bets and joined the forces of Obama in the final days. Those were the most un-kindest cuts McCain and Palin had to endure. Worse than the bias of the the NY Times, and NBC et al, the Republicans who stayed home and didn't vote for McCain have earned themselves a scarlet letter for their self-rightous indignation.


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:16 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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John Kerry's concession speech was similar - he was very impressive, less so in the campaign. I guess that's the nature of the beast.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:25 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Honorable, gracious, and caring deeply about the country.


Yeah, but if he'd campaigned like he conceded this election would have been over before it started (cause he conceded).

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:27 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


McCain was always McCain

Naw...he succombed to 'handler submission'.
The real McCain had a much better shot, IMO.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:28 AM

HKCAVALIER


I think he'd have had the same problem Hillary would have had. They were both bound to lose early. Obama's star had risen too far, too high and too quickly for either to keep up honorably.

People are saying that the stock crash killed McCain's campaign because he'd risen in the polls the month before, but I don't buy it. It was just the Palin bubble that did that. And, like any speculative venture built on lies and empty promises, it was bound to crash, and I'm sure would have, just about the time of the bailout.

McCain only won his primary because the other Republicans SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED so badly (Dr. Paul excepted, but he was really a secret 3rd Party candidate and he also benefited greatly from the massive suckatude of the Giuliani's and Romny's of the world--how else do you explain the success of a total Fruit Loop like Huckabee?). Hillary was a far stronger contender than McCain, and Obama walked away with the Democratic nomination.

At least with Hillary, if she'd run a clean campaign, she could easily be moving into the White House next January as VP.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:42 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Yes, the repubican alternatives did suck very, very badly, leading to a McCain candidacy.

I think McCain made a necessary but ultimately fatal melding with the repubican machine.

Many of his campaign mis-steps look like purely Rovian moves. His campaign sought to energize 'the base', banking on the divisive religious right and the fear-mongering political right. If you've managed to panic much of the country and keep it in a state of fear and hate that gets you somewhere - after all, it (and dirty vote tricks) - got Bush into the WH a second time.

But if your branded fear and hate fade your 'base' is simply not enough people to win an election.

If McCain had been allowed to pick Lieberman and had been able to run his campaign without toadying to the religious right and without compromising his stands on the issues, he could have picked off much of the middle.

That's not to say Obama didn't run a brilliant campaign. Many, many people didn't 'connect' with him out of some level of racism. He could have lost their vote in any number of ways. That he didn't speaks well of his campaign.


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:50 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was always McCain, but he never had it in him to hit hard enough.

He was never my choice, and he showed why.


That's as lame as it comes friend. You sound like one of those pre-election Palin bashers of the so-called Conservative ilk, George Will and Bill Kristol. They betrayed their own Party because of their own over-inflated sense of self-worth & self-importance. They were "afraid" to lose, so they hedged their bets and joined the forces of Obama in the final days. Those were the most un-kindest cuts McCain and Palin had to endure. Worse than the bias of the the NY Times, and NBC et al, the Republicans who stayed home and didn't vote for McCain have earned themselves a scarlet letter for their self-rightous indignation.




Never said I didn't vote for him, I did, He just wasn't my choice. i'd have preferred Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney. See, unlike most Americans, i can deal w/ a candidate's religious views provided their GOVERNMENT views are sound. I wasn't in the least bit scared of Romeny's Morman faith, as it seemed to not interfere w/ how much he knew about economics and the world's markets.

Kinda like somethin' we'd all BENEFIT right about now, having a man like that in the White House, ya know ?



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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:02 AM

SIGNYM

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GOVERNMENT views are sound. I wasn't in the least bit scared of Romeny's Morman faith, as it seemed to not interfere w/ how much he knew about economics and the world's markets. Kinda like somethin' we'd all BENEFIT right about now, having a man like that in the White House, ya know ?
Are you pretending to know something about economics?


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:11 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
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GOVERNMENT views are sound. I wasn't in the least bit scared of Romeny's Morman faith, as it seemed to not interfere w/ how much he knew about economics and the world's markets. Kinda like somethin' we'd all BENEFIT right about now, having a man like that in the White House, ya know ?
Are you pretending to know something about economics?


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Are you pretending to have reading skills of a 5th grader ? I said Romney knows about these things, and he'd be the perfect guy to have in the White House to deal w/ these issues.

Read slowly if that doesn't make sense the first time for ya .



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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:24 AM

RUE

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"I said Romney knows about these things ..."

And your opinion is based on - what ? Your expertise ?

muffled snicker


:walks away:

muffled snicker

gufaw


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:39 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was always McCain, but he never had it in him to hit hard enough.

He was never my choice, and he showed why.


That's as lame as it comes friend. You sound like one of those pre-election Palin bashers of the so-called Conservative ilk, George Will and Bill Kristol. They betrayed their own Party because of their own over-inflated sense of self-worth & self-importance. They were "afraid" to lose, so they hedged their bets and joined the forces of Obama in the final days. Those were the most un-kindest cuts McCain and Palin had to endure. Worse than the bias of the the NY Times, and NBC et al, the Republicans who stayed home and didn't vote for McCain have earned themselves a scarlet letter for their self-rightous indignation.




Never said I didn't vote for him, I did, He just wasn't my choice. i'd have preferred Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney. See, unlike most Americans, i can deal w/ a candidate's religious views provided their GOVERNMENT views are sound. I wasn't in the least bit scared of Romeny's Morman faith, as it seemed to not interfere w/ how much he knew about economics and the world's markets.


Sorry I did not mean to imply that you did not vote for him. I did mean to imply that the Conservative columnists who came out against Palin at the end were a contributing factor to the relatively low Republican turn-out. They make a great living spewing their ideology every day, so why couldn't they just keep their pie holes shut and support McCain/Palin anyway? Why bash her? Who did that serve? Obaama of course. Their own sense of smug rightousness trumped loyalty to the Republican candidate. Shame on them, and shame on us for ever listening to them. At least Rush & Hannity stood by them to the end.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yep, it kinda caught me off guard. After such a nasty campaign, McCain graciously bows out and even manages to quiet the smattering of boos in the crowd. (The oddsmakers in Las Vegas were taking bets as to when McCain was going to concede, bets fluctuated by the hour from 3-1 to 8-1. No such bet was placed for Obama)

Now he was being a true Maverick. I still don't think he would have won, but it would've been close.
He allowed his campaign to be controlled by his managing staff, instead of him running things.

I don't believe for a minute he would have picked Palin in normal circumstances, but he was desparate to win. His people (Rove? Cheney?) had him run on the FEAR ticket disguised as the Maverick ticket. Both he and Palin were following the script verbatim. Scare 'em sh*tless and they'll follow you anywhere. It ran it's course.

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 8:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Are you pretending to have reading skills of a 5th grader ? I said Romney knows about these things, and he'd be the perfect guy to have in the White House to deal w/ these issues.
How would you know?


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 9:14 AM

STORYMARK


As soon as the day started, a student of mine expressed the same idea. He said "If McCain had been the same guy durring the campaign that he was for his concession, things would have gone differently".

I don't know if that was nessesarily true, but I do have to admit that the concession speech was moving.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"I said Romney knows about these things ..."

And your opinion is based on - what ? Your expertise ?

muffled snicker


:walks away:

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Wow. You're a bonafide jack ass, aren't you?

Childish post from a guy who has no clue what he's snickering about in the first place ?

Amazing.



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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Are you pretending to have reading skills of a 5th grader ? I said Romney knows about these things, and he'd be the perfect guy to have in the White House to deal w/ these issues.
How would you know?


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Because Rush Limbaugh told me so.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:41 PM

WHOZIT


Now you think McCain's an alrite guy? Gag me!

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:47 PM

RUE

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"Childish post from a guy who has no clue what he's snickering about in the first place ?"

Ehhh ... speaking of no clue ...


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:48 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:


I don't believe for a minute he would have picked Palin in normal circumstances, but he was desparate to win. His people (Rove? Cheney?) had him run on the FEAR ticket disguised as the Maverick ticket. Both he and Palin were following the script verbatim. Scare 'em sh*tless and they'll follow you anywhere. It ran it's course.

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!



I'm not buying that folks on the Left really believe what they're saying, that some how Palin cost McCain the election or even brought him down some. She's the reason it was as close as it was, otherwise Obama would have the landslide so many had predicted. McCain's people, clearly NOT Rove or Cheney, were idiots. They kept Gov Palin off conservative talk radio until just days before the election, when that's where she should have gone FIRST, then off to chat w/ Katie Couric, The suits in the war room really screwed that one up. It's almost like they were TRYING to lose, they ran such a bad P.R. campaign.

I don't blame Sarah for zipping off that stage as fast as she could. She's a natural born winner, and had no more reason to stick around w/ the " Gawlee, I'm just happy to be here " attitude of McCain's. She knows she's got work to do, and it started last night. We'll be seeing her again soon.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"Childish post from a guy who has no clue what he's snickering about in the first place ?"

Ehhh ... speaking of no clue ...



Again, for your 'gag' post to be funny, they shouldn't be identical mirrors to your REAL post, making any distinction between the two to be impossible to decipher.



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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:55 PM

RUE

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"I'm not buying that folks on the Left really believe what they're saying (about Palin)" ...

And that's merely one of your many, many mistakes - you think you're a mind reader.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:57 PM

RUE

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And speaking of mind readers - if you ever thought you were one - try this on for size: I'm a grey-haired granny-type.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:12 PM

LESTER


Right on, man. Mcain let himself be used and abused by his handlers. the fact that he conceded with such honor and dignity...well, if he had campained like that he would have been truely origional. and that's how obama got elected, by being origional. not that change for the sake of change is a good thing, in fact it usually is very, very risky. but he presented something of an anomaly, and the american people, after so many years of the same thing, ate it up and asked for seconds. Mcain showed his origionality in two main instances: with the pick of palin as VP and the concession speech. his problem was that he didn't be himself. He was caffine free diet mccain. he should have been wild cherry mccain(wow, that soulds a bit absurd when you say it outloud, doesn't it? wild cherry mccain.)
also, lets be honest here. you had a guy who was half black, and that drove the black vote to an unseen amount for the democrats. and then youo have the " i feel guilty for being white" vote that was not a majority, but probably a large group as whites in general are terrorifed of being seen as racsist. ( man, i wish i could spell.) and the rest are people that either believed him and bought into his messiah image,
or just hadn't anything origional in so long they just couldn't help themselves.

awesome as always,
lester

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:18 PM

RUE

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Well, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted against McCain. And not against the old McCain - the 2000 McCain - but the new 2008 McCain, the one who cozied up to Bush, Cheny, Rove, and 'the base'. I'm not sure my reasons, which were very specific and issue-related, fit into your analysis.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:21 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Rue, am I misunderstanding your post, or are you a woman? I always thought you were a woman, but couldn't remember you ever saying so.

I'm not even sure what made me think of you as a woman, but somewhere along the line I got that impression. So was I right, or are you making some kind of joke that I don't understand?

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:25 PM

RUE

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And the reason he cozied up ---


While Democratic nominee Barack Obama surpassed Sen. John McCain in fundraising during the primaries, the McCain campaign is now benefiting from huge sums of money raised by the Republican Party and funneled toward advertising for the McCain-Palin ticket.

Obama — who opted out of public financing — had $77 million in the bank at the beginning of September.

McCain took $84 million in public funds, which must carry him to Election Day. The law says McCain cannot raise or spend more than that $84 million, while Obama has no spending limit.

But McCain has found a way to work around these limits. The Republican Party — and not his campaign committee — has paid for more than half of his campaign ads and outspent Obama on television in the first week following the conventions.

McCain is using an arrangement in which he is not collecting private money, while the Republican National Committee is.

This works so well because the RNC is raising far more money than the Democratic National Committee. In its last official filings, the RNC had $75 million on hand — almost 10 times more than the DNC.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:30 PM

RUE

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AnthonyT

Yes - I am a woman - who's also grey, old and in pain, dumpy, and cranky. And two kinds of scientist.

But enough about me --- how about you ? Or how about another topic of your choosing ?

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:52 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I'm sorry Rue, I didn't mean to step on your privacy, I'd just always wondered.

As for myself, I think I've deposited the whole of my biography on these forums at one time or another. But since you were forthcoming, I'll summarise:

33 year old male, son of Cuban immigrants and born in Hialeah Hospital in South Florida. Spent all of Elementary school with a D average, failed the 3rd grade and was forced to repeat it. Grades improved dramatically in High School, to the point that I qualified for a scholarship to Miami Dade Community College. While still in High School, I took certificate courses in AC, DC, Semiconductor Electronics, PC and VCR repair. It was all outdated by the time I graduated High School, because component level repairs were no longer vogue. Upon graduating High School, I spent one year attending Miami Dade Community College full time, consistently failing to pass even basic math courses. Some people call it discalcula. At the time I called it "I don't give a shit about calculus and don't see what it has to do with a degree in English Education." Dropped out after one year in college, realizing that I had nowhere near the ambition or drive needed to endure any process that pained me.

Only later learned that life is full of processes that pain me.

First job was selling electronics at Radio Shack. Then worked for the Hialeah Police Department, which was the 2nd best paying job of my life. Then worked for Kent Security as a Security Rover, Gate Guard, Desk Guard, and Dispatcher. Got a job at Jackson Memorial Hospital as a Security Dispatcher, which was the 3rd best paying job of my life. Worked briefly for Convergys, diagnosing problems for Dell Computer users over the phone. Next took a job as a telemarketer for Inktel Direct. When it was realized that I had no talent for lying, I was placed in Quality Assurance. This was unfulfilling, as telemarketing companies don't actually want their Quality to be Assured. Moved to Arizona and got a job with a big bank, which is the best paying job of my life. I hope I get to keep it along with my new house.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:04 PM

RUE

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AnthonyT

I don't mind sharing information about myself, I just draw the line at people I know, since it's not my information to share.

Thank you for telling me about yourself. I truly hope you and your wife (I believe you mentioned her, if I'm wrong I apologize) do well.

Sincerely,
Rue

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Because Rush Limbaugh told me so.
This is a joke.

Right?

Sometimes it's a little hard to tell.


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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Anthony, you might look back into security work.

Now that the scum at the bottom of the pond has been siphoned out by Blackwater, Wackenhut, Pinkertons and Group4, we're actually starting to get some good people back into the "ordinary" security biz, while all the lowlifes and rocketjocks are down at the airport feeling up peoples girlfriends and shaking down old ladies.

It's not huge money, but there's money in it, and it's more satisfying than a lot of work.

-F

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:21 PM

ANTHONYT

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Thanks Rue and Frem,

If everything goes bottoms up, I'll probably wind up back in Security. It just doesn't pay quite as much as I'd like.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, November 8, 2008 11:22 AM

LESTER


May i ask what your reasons were for voting against mccain?

Awesome as Always,
Lester

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