Question: Now that expensive militaristic fascism is going out, will these boards still retain their vitriol? by chrisisall

America loves a winner!

Sorry MalBad, I'm not the bad guy here, no matter what you say.

That monogamous Mormans and blacks , together , voted the exact same way on the marriage issues should tell you something, but you want to ignore and warp that message to mean something that it completley isn't. ( You continue using the term polygamy, when in fact the very language of the prop voted for is ONE man + ONE woman. - How you don't see the irony in that, is telling )

Bill O'Reily or not, it doesn't change the numbers on how blacks voted FOR 1+1 marriage.

It was individuals, not 'churches', who donated that $$. A right which they still have, at least, for a while. You'd take away that REAL right, I'm sure, to instill your imaginary right.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 17, 2008 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
"He will limit gun ownership"

to nonfreaks with a full set of teeth - great idea.

Being someone who is pro gun and has a full set of teeth I find this pretty offensive.

It would be like if I said when I was president nobody should have a problem with my ban on Kool Aid except for people with big lips.

Why is it okay to make fun of white people who believe in the right to bear arms, but I say something like that and it's a hate crime.

It's shit like that which disgusts me even more than smoke nazis. Go to Australia or London if you don't like it fag.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Monday, November 17, 2008 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
drop a nuke on Serenity Valley.

That wouldn't be as easy to hide as Miranda- not sayin' the Alliance wouldn't have wanted to do it, but sometimes a bang that loud tends to wake up the somnambulant public.
It's all about ratings.

isall

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Monday, November 17, 2008 3:59 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry MalBad, I'm not the bad guy here, no matter what you say.

Hitler was just trying to help his peeps.

isall

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Monday, November 17, 2008 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry MalBad, I'm not the bad guy here, no matter what you say.

You don't care about the institution of marriage per se', you never did. You hate gay people.

So you're lashing out because you feel dissenfranchised by the crushing defeat of your evangelical Republicans in this past election. It must be tough to go from hooked up idealogically to the master umbilical...to being stuck on a life raft with dehydrated old right wing media, and the deballed and useless minorities of Congress.

It's only a little bad now, wait till important legislation comes through, whats left of republicans can't stop it, and Obama is able to act and succeed. Which will suck for you

That's what I'd be worried about if I were you. Not which ass ramming or fuzz bumping couple has what kind of documentation about thier relationship sitting in thier credenza.

Oh! There are four possibilities for Supreme Court Justices stepping down in the next four years. So you won't get anything national passed on gay marriage. Sorry, enjoy it while you can.

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Monday, November 17, 2008 4:32 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry MalBad, I'm not the bad guy here, no matter what you say.

Hitler was just trying to help his peeps.

isall
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Gee,'bout time that made its way into the thread, ....the obligatory " Hitler" remark.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 17, 2008 4:37 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry MalBad, I'm not the bad guy here, no matter what you say.
You don't care about the institution of marriage per se', you never did. You hate gay people.

If it makes you better to say that, and it's clear it does, then have at it. But that's not the way of it at all.

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So you're lashing out because you feel dissenfranchised by the crushing defeat of your evangelical Republicans in this past election. It must be tough to go from hooked up idealogically to the master umbilical...to being stuck on a life raft with dehydrated old right wing media, and the deballed and useless minorities of Congress.

Is that what you tell all your black friends too ? No,wait. That can't be it. What DO you tell your black friends ? Those who voted 70-80% against gay marriage ? The one who voted exactly along the lines as President-elect Obama's stated position, of being against gay marraige. What DO you say to them ?

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It's only a little bad now, wait till important legislation comes through, whats left of republicans can't stop it, and Obama is able to act and succeed. Which will suck for you

That's what I'd be worried about if I were you. Not which ass ramming or fuzz bumping couple has what kind of documentation about thier relationship sitting in thier credenza.

Stop, you're turning me on !!! No, never mind, you're just making a fool of yourself and NOT selling your point very well. So sorry.

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Oh! There are four possibilities for Supreme Court Justices stepping down in the next four years. So you won't get anything national passed on gay marriage. Sorry, enjoy it while you can.

Don't need the court's approval to amend the Constitution, do we ? Naww. Also, Humanity's " enjoyed it " for 10,000 + yrs. Don't think that's gonna change any time soon, either.

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Monday, November 17, 2008 5:37 PM

SERGEANTX

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Originally posted by Geezer:
"Now that expensive militaristic fascism is going out..."

Are you sure?

That's the question alright. I'm still holding out hope that Obama will do something different. But the rogue's gallery of Washington insiders he's lining up for his cabinet doesn't exactly warm my cockles.

Ahem..

Anyway, if he closes Gitmo and gets us out of Iraq, I'll for him a bit of redistributin'.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Monday, November 17, 2008 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is that what you tell all your black friends too ? No,wait. That can't be it. What DO you tell your black friends ? Those who voted 70-80% against gay marriage ? The one who voted exactly along the lines as President-elect Obama's stated position, of being against gay marraige. What DO you say to them ?

How ironical, my one black friend is gay. The only thing he and I talk about is sci fi and comic books. The further irony is that he turned me on to Firefly. He thinks the hullabaloo from both sides on this issue is an intrusion into his personal life, so we've talked about it once. That's when he talked me into throwing dried cow shit at Yes on 8 demonstrators by reminding me I'd go to jail if I threw rocks.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Stop, you're turning me on !!! No, never mind, you're just making a fool of yourself and NOT selling your point very well. So sorry.

Are you turned on by ass ramming or fuzz bumping?

I argue the same points on other forums and I get mass compliments and support. But now I know you are not buying my assertion on my best day, so I've opted to try and irritate you as much as is possible. And I'm going to stop that too because I've drawn us off topic. This thread is actually about wether or not we'll fight about the war. You know...that failure you supported twice with your ill fated votes for Bush. Good work ruining your own country AURaptor

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Don't need the court's approval to amend the Constitution, do we ? Naww. Also, Humanity's " enjoyed it " for 10,000 + yrs. Don't think that's gonna change any time soon, either.

Hannity has enjoyed ass ramming for 10,000 years? C'mon AURaptor, cut it out.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:04 AM

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First, your gay black friend can't see it as an intrusion into his personal life, as nothing about his personal life has been infringed upon. He can choose, if he wants, the civil union route, but he's got no RIGHT to "marry" another man. I'm sorry, but the construct of marriage, 1 man + 1 woman, is far more important than gays feelings of wanting acceptance, which is all this is about. Marriage, which by it's very definition means a man and a woman , committing to each other and resulting in children is something which predates religion and may very well be a pillar of civilization itself, setting us apart from the animal kingdom. Rare is the case where a man and woman can't have children, and for that reason , there's no cause to change what they enter into, for its basic design still holds true. Under no circumstance in nature can a same sex union ever bear children, thus it should be referred to as something else entirely. Doesn't mean they can't be joined, committed, and be seen as such, but don't call it marriage. Because it's not a marriage.

Don't know why you segued off to the " war " topic, as we're winning the war in Iraq, and the main stream media refuses to report on ANY of that here. Best you stick to 1 topic per thread.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:43 AM

RIVERLOVE

I believe that Gays (aka Slys) should have the same rights to marry and be miserable as anyone else. Besides, what's the big sanctimonious deal with marriage anyway?

50% of marriages end in divorce, many becoming nasty, bitter battles over property and children's custody.
25% of those staying in the marriage are miserably unhappy.
25% of marriages work out for the long term.

With batting averages like that, who would want to get married anyhow? Lawyers, that's who! They're the ones who always profit at the expense of other's misery.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:45 AM

Why would they want to get married anyways? I'm straight and I have no desire. I've lived through my parents trying that crap out. It's purely a "grass is greener" thing.

Bottom line is, if a church doesn't want to allow a marriage, the government has no damn place forcing them to acknowledge it. There's so many gays out there, they should just put an end to it and make a church of their own which allows marriage and be done with it. Better yet, stop calling them civil unions and let the gays marry at the courthouse. I don't really give a shit, as long as the Government doesn't overstep its boundaries and start forcing churches to marry them.

What is the big fucking deal from both sides anyways? Aren't there more important issues out there today? Grow up, all of you.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
He can choose, if he wants, the civil union route, but he's got no RIGHT to "marry" another man.

Hitler hated gays as well.

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:51 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Better yet, stop calling them civil unions and let the gays marry at the courthouse. I don't really give a shit, as long as the Government doesn't overstep its boundaries

What 6ix Said tm

isall

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:02 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What 6ix Said tm

Sweet... I'm as trademarked now as "Just Do It! tm "

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:09 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Don't know why you segued off to the " war " topic, as we're winning the war

....Hitler loved to win, too.

Somuchincommonwithyoutwoisall

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:14 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
"He will limit gun ownership"

to nonfreaks with a full set of teeth - great idea.

Being someone who is pro gun and has a full set of teeth I find this pretty offensive.

It would be like if I said when I was president nobody should have a problem with my ban on Kool Aid except for people with big lips.

Why is it okay to make fun of white people who believe in the right to bear arms, but I say something like that and it's a hate crime.

It's shit like that which disgusts me even more than smoke nazis. Go to Australia or London if you don't like it fag.

Nice to meet you too fuckhead!

"nonfreaks with a full set of teeth." How do you read "white" into that? If you see "white people" in that it says more about your own bigotry.
I don't care about anyone's skin color. I care that morons and psychos of any race don't get guns - is that clearer?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:20 AM

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Go to Australia or London if you don't like it fag.

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Nice to meet you too fuckhead!

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:22 AM

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This is exactly what I was driving at. That We, as a people, must put the feet to the fire of the "leaders" of this country to keep them in check regarding the basic freedoms in the Constitution.

Indeed, Shiny - the tool needs someone to hold it, to point it, or it's just a piece of metal.

But if you don't have the tool, you'll also find a shortage of folks willing to stand up, especially when the powers that are have em, and the folks standing up.. do not - results in needless slaughter every time.

Folks standing up for the 2A and ignoring all else fail to realize this.

Folks ignoring the 2A and standing up for everything else, fail to realize this.

Unless you stand up for ALL of them, each and every single one, it's doomed to failure from the beginning.

Each one protects the others, and if one falls, then the others go like dominoes, and they always start with the Second, because it's so easy to demonise and lacks the defenders that the others do, you see ?

So many folk so willing to stand up for the others turn their back on, or even actively fight against, the Second - that's like AIMING to shoot yourself in the foot, isn't it ?

The Constitutional Rights really are an all or nothing proposition.

-Frem

PS. and relative to Gay folks and marriage, what the hell do I care ? they're people same as any other, let em do what makes em happy, ain't no skin off my back, and shouldn't be none offa yours neither unless you're just a fuckin prick.

Until it starts impacting your life, personally and directly, frankly - you SHOULD NOT have a say in it, that's the sign of evil, right there.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:28 AM

Re: Bin Laden - folks, he's DEAD, if you happen to find him anyway, sure, dig him up and stake him a'la Buffy Summers if it makes ya feel better and all, but I sure don't see the point of it now.

He died Dec 2001 of complications from existing health conditions and the buried his ass on the border, for fucks sake everywhere BUT the US and UK they ran the obituaries.

Not that I had a problem with cappin him sans trial, since the crap he did WHILE EMPLOYED, PAID BY, SUPPORTED BY, AND ENGAGED BY US as "Tim Osman" was plenty enough to hang a man in spite of the fact that we gave the orders, he still did it of his own free will, and that is guilt enough.

Anything after, same deal, but we had plenty enough criminal evidence cause we ordered him to do some of that shit before he got pissed at us leaving him to swing once the russians were gone and the rest of our promises about rebuilding his country turned to dust and ashes since it wasn't convenient for us...

He DID have, somewhat of a legit gripe, despite how he chose to carry it out.

So.. cappin him without trial ? kinda like shootin your own dog once it's gone rabid, nobody likes it, but ya kinda gotta do it.

But anyhow, he's dead, so what's with this bullshit about lookin for him now, you want him at this point - better hire the ghostbusters.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:41 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
"He will limit gun ownership"

to nonfreaks with a full set of teeth - great idea.

Being someone who is pro gun and has a full set of teeth I find this pretty offensive.

It would be like if I said when I was president nobody should have a problem with my ban on Kool Aid except for people with big lips.

Why is it okay to make fun of white people who believe in the right to bear arms, but I say something like that and it's a hate crime.

It's shit like that which disgusts me even more than smoke nazis. Go to Australia or London if you don't like it fag.

Nice to meet you too fuckhead!
"nonfreaks with a full set of teeth." How do you read "white" into that? If you see "white people" in that it says more about your own bigotry.
I don't care about anyone's skin color. I care that morons and psychos of any race don't get guns - is that clearer?

Wow.... You're right.

I would be afraid of somebody like you with a gun. Better keep popping that Zoloft instead. Much safer for all of us that way.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:00 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
He died Dec 2001 of complications from existing health conditions and the buried his ass on the border, for fucks sake everywhere BUT the US and UK they ran the obituaries.

And those videos are done by animatronic Disney Jew Robots...yeah, thanks Piratefirma for the crazytalk.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
First, your gay black friend can't see it as an intrusion into his personal life, as nothing about his personal life has been infringed upon. He can choose, if he wants, the civil union route, but he's got no RIGHT to "marry" another man.

That's how you roll Adolph? You're telling me what my friend can think, and gays are free to pick from the choice you provide? Is there some sort of mental illness that keeps you from hearing yourself? Oh yeah! It's called crazy!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Don't know why you segued off to the " war " topic, as we're winning the war in Iraq, and the main stream media refuses to report on ANY of that here. Best you stick to 1 topic per thread.

They gay argument that you show a surprising amount of interest in, is off topic. Plus I won that argument. I drained you of the two words you had you to offer that made sense in all that dictatorial sadistic Christian bullshit. Gay Marriage.

The majority of the American people think Iraq was a mistake. The mainstream media doesn't report your imaginary "winning" because the right exagerates everything and has no credibility. Righties act as if two less people die in a month...we're winning. The Government of Iraq is not stable. The Iraqii people want us out so they can be free to kill each other. When we leave the Sunnii will rearm. Al Sadr will start killing again. And it'll be no better than if we left two weeks after we found Saddam. Every year we've spent there has been a waste of badly needed money. Never at any point would leaving have been waving the white flag of surrender.

Now why am I still happy?...your guys got bounced on Nov 4th because they're like you.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:11 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Loving v Virginia

Supreme Court ruling

“Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man" ...”

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Eh Rap ? Wrong, yet again.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor: Marriage, which by it's very definition means a man and a woman , committing to each other and resulting in children. Under no circumstance in nature can a same sex union ever bear children, thus it should be referred to as something else entirely.

Hitler classified human beings using his own hate filled pseudo scientific criteria too AURaptor. And it's kind of stimulating but entirely exhausting trying to figure out a way to "unwind" your misconceptions.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:15 AM

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And those videos are done by animatronic Disney Jew Robots...yeah, thanks Piratefirma for the crazytalk.

No, they're done by some pathetic shitheel who doesn't even LOOK like Osama, on a really crummy quality vid with distorted sound that was oh so conveniently found just laying in a building that our intel people just oh so conveniently happened to search out of 14,000 of them in that area.

Umm, sure, what are the odds ?

And it's not like the other side is really gonna ADMIT that the leader who makes america piss and squirm just by showing his face is dead neither, would you ?

And let's not go there with the shit MEMRI shovelled as compared to a direct-meaning translation of the tapes we CAN confirm are valid, since OBL firmly denies having done it - which is kind of odd given how fast those types are to take credit even for shit they didn't do, and it would have ramped his status significantly if he HAD claimed it.

You seriously think I believe that goat humper lugged a freakin dialysis machine up into a set of mountain caves above the frost line, on a bum leg and with one arm that barely worked and then kept the damned thing running on a generator for SEVEN years ?

I'd think as a prosecutor you'd have as hard a time with the evidence as I do, especially when some dude with a darker complexion, shorter, flatter nose, less grey hair, wearing a gold ring and using the wrong hand, appears on tape claiming to be the guy ?

Add to that the fact that we really have no clue who was on those planes, being that more than half the folks we thought were, have been found alive and well and wondering who was impersonating them - cause our intel folks are so focused on fucking over america and trying to provoke and assist terrorism against us that they don't seem to have any time or ability left over to do the job, even though Bojinka was revealed by serving a proper warrant and arrest on Ramzi Youssef, and a by the book non-physical interrogation, and then ignored by them cause they were so busy busting the chops of american protestors they just left that stuff sitting in a box somewhere, yeah.. real competent, that.

Oh, did I mention WHERE ole Ramzi got the explosives, the design and the expert to wire it all up when he bombed the WTC himself in 1993 ?

Or shall I mention Emad Salems TAPE RECORDINGS of the FBI telling him NOT to sabotage the bomb ?

And as I hear it, they've since sent Youssef down for a round of waterboarding, and the quality of info instantly declined into incoherent ramblings, way to go... make sure any further plans are just ravings instead of hard data, fucking incompetents.

These assholes couldn't catch OBL if he brought them coffee every morning, they are incompetent, and little more than terrorists themselves preying on the american people by inspiring fear and disorder - TRUE security, as General Odom would have told you, is quietly monkeywrenching or eliminating threats so that the american people can sleep soundly and unconcerned at night, not trying to scare the piss out of them with plans YOU cooked up and then hung on some damned patsy to keep the fear button pushed, so you can get away with more shit, and a bigger budget.

Oh yes, and tell me, just how's that Dix Six case coming along Hero ?

Sounds like the plant was about to get physically harmed by one of the guys cause he kept pushing a plan they were NOT INTERESTED IN, and his credibility is about as blown as it gets given he was smokin dope and committing bank fraud at the same time the FBI was payin him huge bucks to string these guys along, oh yes, what a bunch of jihadis, when someone hands them everything they need to make an attack, and they not only don't plan on doing it, but are about to beat the fuck out of the guy pushing them to do so, man, what a threat they are... *snort*

Dude, I am a fuckin cab driver from detroit with a high school education, how the FUCK is it that I routinely outpredict, and find the flaws and bullshit in our highly trained, highly paid intel staffs work in spite of them being supposedly any good at it ?

Don't shine me, dude - I've not the patience for it anymore, they never wanted to find OBL, cause that would end their ability to hold him up as some kind of Emmanuel Goldstein to try and scare us whenever they wished, just like that Adam Pearlman shithead, for crying out loud if *I* know where he lives, why doesn't the FBI, then ?

Osama's dead, deal with it, your boogeyman isn't scary anymore cause he's pushin up the daisies, and even Buffy fans don't REALLY believe in vampires.

And our so-called 'protectors' are in fact the real enemy, more interested in harming us, and more able, than any outside faction ever was.

The gravest threat to our national security...

Is our National Security.

Maybe if you started prosecuting the REAL bad guys, down in Langley and DC, we might have a few less problems - but since you're part and parcel of the system that causes em, a veritable leech on the ass of a would-be police state, I kinda doubt you would derail the gravy train now, would you ?

And handing you your head on a plate gets tiresome, easy as you make it, next time, you friggin palooka, bring something worth the trouble.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:25 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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“Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man" ...”

Aw, SNAP - According to that, ONLY men have the right to marry! So gay marriage is a civil right, and "regular" marriage isn't even listed at all.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:29 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor: Marriage, which by it's very definition means a man and a woman , committing to each other and resulting in children.

Cites, please? Where is it written that a marriage MUST result in children? So if a couple has no children, they're officially not married? How long do they have to start reproducing, because I'd hate the feds to kick in my door and force my wife and I to divorce. Only I guess we couldn't divorce, if we weren't really married in the first place, since we don't have kids.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:33 AM

Frem:

On the Osama thing (him being all morbid and corpsified and all), I don't doubt that he's croaked it, shuffled off this mortal coil, and all that, but I'd really like some confirmation, just for closure, if you will...

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:13 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor: Marriage, which by it's very definition means a man and a woman , committing to each other and resulting in children.

Cites, please? Where is it written that a marriage MUST result in children? So if a couple has no children, they're officially not married? How long do they have to start reproducing, because I'd hate the feds to kick in my door and force my wife and I to divorce. Only I guess we couldn't divorce, if we weren't really married in the first place, since we don't have kids.

I repeat, from my last post -

" Rare is the case where a man and woman can't have children,* and for that reason , there's no cause to change what they enter into, for its basic design still holds true. Under no circumstance in nature can a same sex union ever bear children, thus it should be referred to as something else entirely. Doesn't mean they can't be joined, committed, and be seen as such, but don't call it marriage. Because it's not a marriage. "

I would only add, to clarify.. * ( rare also is it that a man and woman choose NOT to have a child either, )

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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committing to each other and resulting in children.

So infertile people can't marry, and lonely widows and widowers can't remarry?

This just keeps getting better'n better.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:19 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
He can choose, if he wants, the civil union route, but he's got no RIGHT to "marry" another man.
Hitler hated gays as well.

Chrisisall
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By your reasoning, so does Obama, as he's against gays marrying as well.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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committing to each other and resulting in children.
So infertile people can't marry, and lonely widows and widowers can't remarry?

This just keeps getting better'n better.

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Let's party like its 1929.

You don't read very well, do you ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

By your reasoning, so does Obama, as he's against gays marrying as well.

Hitler loved using strawman arguments to make his points...

Mein Kamph much, AU?

Goosesteppinfetchitisall

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:07 AM

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden's will
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/26/binladen.will/

Karzai: bin Laden 'probably' dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/karzai.binlade
n/

All accounts put his time of death between Dec 15-18, 2001, most of them from various sources unlikely to share that with each other.

http://uniorb.com/RCHECK/deadbinladen.htm
This article names other confirmed info with cites for UPI, CBS and CNN confirming that OBL was indeed about half-dead already, in end stage renal failure, needing dialysis and unable to move one arm from neuro damage caused by a stroke.

And when we bombed the everliving shit out of tora-bora over the week of Dec 14th 2001, there went his water supply and he was allegedy wounded in the leg - this is presuming we didn't damage the machine, without power and clean water, there's no way he could have used it and would have expired soon thereafter, given they we KNOW he didn't have power cause he was unable to transmit radio messages after the 14th.

Which meant either he could not power it, and would then have died without his machines, or that he was already dead, if we hit the radio, which he was so fond of practically sitting on since it kept his tent warm and he liked to hear himself talk... we probably hit HIM, and badly.

How long do you think he woulda made it, wounded, without his machines, water or power, only able to use one arm and up in the freakin mountains with no medical supplies worth a mention ?

Fact is, for what it's worth, we did "get him" but nobody wants to admit that cause he's too useful as a boogeyman to keep holding up to try and scare us with.

The question you really wanna ask yourself, Mikey...

Is whether our intel folk are so incompetent as to be regularly outdone by a damn cabbie...

Or whether they are actively and maliciously lying and shovelling bullshit as a modus operandi.

Cause if it's the first, what the hell do they need all that money and power for, hire me and fire them! - do wonders for the budget, neh ?

And if it's the second, who's the real terrorists ?

Something to think about, yes ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:16 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm sorry, but the construct of marriage, 1 man + 1 woman, is far more important than gays feelings of wanting acceptance, which is all this is about.

What makes this construct of marriage important? The possibility of children ONLY? Or is it the voluntary legal union of two people, creating a small cell of human community that is based in choice rather than biology? Do you consider marriages that do not result in children failures? Do you consider children born outside of marriage illegitimate? And what about adoption? If gays adopt, will they be allowd to call it marriage? Or wouldn't adopted children count because they wouldn't have been the direct result of the marriage, only be lovingly raised by people who couldn't have them together biologically?

Is family your main motive here, or is it exclusion?

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Marriage, which by it's very definition means a man and a woman , committing to each other and resulting in children is something which predates religion and may very well be a pillar of civilization itself, setting us apart from the animal kingdom.

So marriage is all about biology now? I guess we should strike these words, then: "To have and to hold, from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part."

Why doesn't this mention the babies that are to result? Is it because - oh - not the production of babies is the point, but to raise them in a stable household and family, should there be any?

Marriage has been around for a long time, but it had to be modified a lot in order to become the thing most people value today.

Consent was added. Minimum age requirements were added. Restrictions were lifted. Cultural perceptions shifted from considering it a purely economic contract (There was once a time before birth control. There was once a time when women couldn't support themselves.) to an economic contract that should be based on love.

Why impose artificial restrictions on something that meets the criteria: love, committment, possible intention of raising children together?

Men and women can make babies together inside and outside of marriage. But loving parents come in all kinds of combos.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:32 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Dude, I am a fuckin cab driver from detroit with a high school education, how the FUCK is it that I routinely outpredict, and find the flaws and bullshit in our highly trained, highly paid intel staffs work in spite of them being supposedly any good at it ?

A cab driver from Detroit with a high school education...boy they could never hope to put one over on you...and all this time I thought you were some crazy barber...

(You have access to a car and are still in Detroit...clearly your world view is limited at best.)

H

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:34 AM

I did not see the compliment there till now, Whodied, and I thank you for it...

But I think that matter is more a feat of having their own crooked, greedy little plan backfire on em due to badly misunderstanding the nature of the person they set up as a cats paw.

Kind of a reverse peter principle, if you will, they thought they were installing a madman to create a fiasco they could then ride to the rescue in resolving, only to find out that once you put the lion IN the cage...

How you gonna get him out if he refuses to leave ?

Poor bastards, they're takin it well enough though.

-F

PS - Ok, I could get to liking this guy.. yer right, similar indeed.
http://www.textfiles.com/humor/llong.hum

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:46 PM

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You don't read very well, do you ?

Well, truth be told, you don't WRITE very well, either. You never actually answered my question. By your "textbook definition" of marriage, am I married or not, in your book? I've got a wife, I'm male, she's female, yet we joined together and did not have children.

So are we now required to be "unmarried" from each other? Is there a civil or religious ceremony for that? Will there be cake? Last time there was cake.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:01 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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You don't read very well, do you ?

Well, truth be told, you don't WRITE very well, either. You never actually answered my question. By your "textbook definition" of marriage, am I married or not, in your book? I've got a wife, I'm male, she's female, yet we joined together and did not have children.

So are we now required to be "unmarried" from each other? Is there a civil or religious ceremony for that? Will there be cake? Last time there was cake.

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, MORON, I DID ANSWER YOUR FUCKING STUPID ASS QUESTION. RE- READ MY POST, AND IF YOU STILL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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committing to each other and resulting in children.- Rapo

So infertile people can't marry, and lonely widows and widowers can't remarry? This just keeps getting better'n better.-Signy

You don't read very well, do you ?-Rapo

Well, if you had two neurons to rub together- which you apparently don't- you'd notice that we cross-posted.

But what you seem to be saying is that old people, people who use birth control (including having their tubes tied/ snipped), and couples who KNOW they are infertile can get still marry (in your book) because a miracle could happen? Because there is still a one-in-a-billion chance that they might have a baby?

And you say that you're not religious....

BWAH!

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:27 PM

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It's the intentional obtuseness of you two's idiotic replies which is so damn bewildering. I make the point as clear for anyone w/ 1/ 100th a brain to comprehend, yet you continue w/ the sad lunacy.

Which is what makes you a fucking moron as well. Congrats.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:28 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Rap:
"Ooh yeah. Gays have no " rights " to marry, what so ever."

Rue:
Loving v Virginia
Supreme Court ruling
“Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man" ...”

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Eh Rap ? Wrong, yet again.

I just thought I'd repost this since you seemed to skip over it. Unless, of course you're claiming that gays aren't people ?

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Silence is consent.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap:
"Ooh yeah. Gays have no " rights " to marry, what so ever."

Rue:
Loving v Virginia
Supreme Court ruling
“Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man" ...”

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Eh Rap ? Wrong, yet again.

I just thought I'd repost this since you seemed to skip over it. Unless, of course you're claiming that gays aren't people ?

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Silence is consent.

Marriage means 1 man + 1 woman. dork.

Gays CAN marry the opposite sex, just as anyone else can. EXACT same rights, pal.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:34 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And all this time you've been claiming it's not a right. Now that it's been shown to be a BASIC HUMAN right, you've shifted to some definition of marriage which doesn't exist in federal law.

Find me that federal definition. Go, boy ! Fetch !

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
And all this time you've been claiming it's not a right. Now that it's been shown to be a BASIC HUMAN right, you've shifted to some definition of marriage which doesn't exist in federal law.

Find me that federal definition. Go, boy ! Fetch !

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Don't have to, the various states already voted on it.

Deal w/ it.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:37 PM

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Oh, Federal Definition?
One Hundred Fourth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday,

the third day of January, one thousand nine hundred and ninety-six

An Act

To define and protect the institution of marriage.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Defense of Marriage Act'.
SEC. 2. POWERS RESERVED TO THE STATES.

(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 115 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding after section 1738B the following:
`Sec. 1738C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the effect thereof

`No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.'.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 115 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 1738B the following new item:
`1738C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the effect thereof.'.
SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.

(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse'

`In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word `marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.'.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 6 the following new item:
`7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse'.'.
Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:42 PM