U.S. Civil War by Wulfenstar

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
When do we START fighting that?

Wait for a nuclear bomb to go off (or other major disaster), then use your gun to kill the emergency responders (since thats who these troops are), then complain about the failure of the government to plan and execute disaster relief at the national level, then vote for the nearest Democrat.

H

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Monday, December 1, 2008 8:34 AM

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Emergency Responders? Are you fucking kidding me? Is that what you really think?

Well then I shouldnt be surprised the next time Im in an accident, and the EMTs show up with M16s and the ambulance is a tank.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

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Monday, December 1, 2008 9:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
When do we START fighting that?

Wait for a nuclear bomb to go off (or other major disaster), then use your gun to kill the emergency responders (since thats who these troops are), then complain about the failure of the government to plan and execute disaster relief at the national level, then vote for the nearest Democrat.

H

Or bury your head in the sand (or up Bush's ass), keep telling yourself that all is well and those troops kicking down your door are doing it for your own protection, and if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, and then go vote for the nearest Republican, because as they'll be quick to tell you, it's not fascism when THEY do it!

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Monday, December 1, 2008 9:19 AM

ERIC

So...these guys are trained to kill people and break stuff. Exactly what use is that skill set in a situation where that's pretty much already happened? Better to 'deploy' 20,000 paramedics. But I guess EMTs don't look as good in jackboots.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 9:30 AM

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Ok, so what can we do? Does anyone have a plan on how to deal with this if it comes to civil war?

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Monday, December 1, 2008 9:51 AM

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Originally posted by Eric:
So...these guys are trained to kill people and break stuff. Exactly what use is that skill set in a situation where that's pretty much already happened? Better to 'deploy' 20,000 paramedics. But I guess EMTs don't look as good in jackboots.

They are building three Brigade sized emergency response units able to provide security, support, logistics, medical care, etc to state and local first responders.

This is in response to Katrina, you remember Katrina. Imagine if we'd have been able to airlift 5,000 medical, logistical, and security troops to the Superdome that first day instead of waiting days for the local and state authorities to fail and then more days to move federal aid by ground (after putting a General in charge to kick everyone in the ass).

At the time I, along with some other folks, figured out that if we can deploy a Brigade of combat troops anywhere in the world in just a few hours...why not a Federal "Rapid Emergency Force" anywhere in the country in that same amount of time. Such an effort would have to be military, although I thought the Coast Guard would have been a better parent organization (since their mission bridges military and civil spheres).

So the folks at Homeland Security say hey, lets put thise all on paper and think about it for a few years and...here we are.

So on the one hand folks are crying cause we don't have what we need to help people when there is a big ass disaster and then its folks like you crying cause they are trying to put together what we need to help folks in case there is a big assed disaster. Make up your mind.

I note for the record that far more then 20,000 US troops are presently stationed in the United States. Heck, there are over 20,000 US troops stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina (and if thats sets you quivering...don't think about Texas).

I guess you can get all weepy at the thought of folks driving around in Humvees with big red crosses on the side...please don't think to hard about all those fellas in Texas with M1A1 Main Battle Tanks and big scary black horse heads on their shoulder patches. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cavalry_Division_(United_States)

Maybe you girls should change your panties or try growing a pair.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:06 AM

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Didnt give a fuck about Katrina. Still don't. That was an ugly cow thats been milked enough.

Btw, what was one of the first things that these jackboots did when they started to "gain control"? Took the guns.

Yeah, smart.

Had I been there? No way in hell I would have allowed myself or my family to be bussed into the shark tank with the rest of the savages.

Nor would I have let them take my guns.

And you are contradicting yourself. If there were all these troops here in country, (like Texas), then where the fuck were they?

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:18 AM

AG05

You're right, we have tens of thousands of troops stationed throughout the US, what are these additional 20k needed for?

Also, If I recall, the state in which the disaster occurs still has to request federal help, so hem-hawing at the state level will still slow reponse time.

If it is inevitable that we will see the development of a Domestic Reaction Force (or whatever catchy name they come up with), I want to see VERY strict rules as to when this force can or cannot be deployed. Upon deployment, I want to see VERY strict rules regarding the types of duties these folks can and cannot perform, and VERY VERY strict ROEs for "security" personnel. If these guys are going to be put in a law enforcemetn scenario, I want them to have training in law enforcement, with emphasis on Civil Rights.

My point is: 20,000 medics rolling down the road in deuce and a halfs full of MRE's and water, I'm cautiously OK with. 20,000 combat troops rolling down the road in gun trucks, not so much. Disaster relief, yes. Martial law, hell no.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:23 AM

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Fucking right.

Have them roll down the road without their m16s...just MREs, I can MAYBE deal with.

Otherwise, its an invasion force, put forth by an unConstitutional government. Which makes it an invading army. Which, unfortunatly, makes it my enemy.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
And you are contradicting yourself. If there were all these troops here in country, (like Texas), then where the fuck were they?

They were sitting on base, shining their tanks and dreaming of the day they could legally step off base and support state and local relief agencies....

The role of the Federal Government is very limited in these situations. The role of the regular military is almost none in these situations. After all, this has traditionally been a National Guard function.

The idea here is for a Federal Rapid Response force to be available for large scale disasters, such as Katrina, that exceed the ability of local Guard units to respond and to bridge the gap between the arrival of supporting Guard units from other states as well as other forms of disaster aid such as the Red Cross and FEMA.

Such a unit could have played a decisive role in the New Orleans disaster, if for no other reason then to show a government responding as best it could instead of a government unable or unwilling to act.

I note for the record that you would not have been bussed to the Superdome, it was a voluntary shelter of last resort. If your decided not to go, you'd either have been smart enough to find your own way out, hold out on your own until relief arrived, or been sitting on your roof waving at the Coast Guard helicopters to save your dumb ass...or been that dead fella on the side of the road.

Or maybe your right, if so there sure are a lot of deserted military bases sitting around. Try driving onto Fort Bragg and see if a fella in a uniform is there to stop you (along with about 25,000 of his buddies).

I note for the record that 1st Cavalry Division, from Fort Hood Texas, was redeployed back home from Iraq in April of 2005, several months prior to Katrina. I note further that 1st Cav headed Joint Task Force Katrina, the military logistical support operation for Katrina that was activated a week or so into the disaster. Well done 1st Cav: http://www.hood.army.mil/1stcavdiv/news/2005/Sept05/sept2_2005.htm

H

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by AG05:
You're right, we have tens of thousands of troops stationed throughout the US, what are these additional 20k needed for?

Thats why they are building them out of existing combat brigades. These will not be new units, they will be old units with a new mission profile.

I note for the record that the primary mission of the Army...the entire Armed Forces of the United States...is domestic security (against invasion or rebellion). Its that whole "all enemies, foriegn or domestic" bit. Adding disaster relief to the definition of Contintinental Defense, is no real stretch.

H

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Monday, December 1, 2008 10:56 AM

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"the entire Armed Forces of the United States...is domestic security (against invasion or rebellion)."

Or rebellion.....wow.

Just. Wow.

If thats what they are teaching recruits...its worse than I imagined.

I had always hoped and believed that if it came to a civil war, the armed forces would NOT fight. As they are meant to protect the citizens, not kill them.

That someone would be like "Hey wait a minute, we arn't rolling into Bumfuck Ohio and holding the people there hostage...thats what the Nazis would have done."

But if it comes to it, and the Army decides its going to oppress the citizens...well, fuck. We would have to fight them too.

"Its that whole "all enemies, foriegn or domestic" bit."

The domestic part was intended as a clause against a tyrannical government. Not the people.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:00 AM

AG05

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Originally posted by Hero:

The role of the Federal Government is very limited in these situations. The role of the regular military is almost none in these situations. After all, this has traditionally been a National Guard function.

The idea here is for a Federal Rapid Response force to be available for large scale disasters, such as Katrina, that exceed the ability of local Guard units to respond and to bridge the gap between the arrival of supporting Guard units from other states as well as other forms of disaster aid such as the Red Cross and FEMA.

Such a unit could have played a decisive role in the New Orleans disaster, if for no other reason then to show a government responding as best it could instead of a government unable or unwilling to act.

I note for the record that 1st Cavalry Division, from Fort Hood Texas, was redeployed back home from Iraq in April of 2005, several months prior to Katrina. I note further that 1st Cav headed Joint Task Force Katrina, the military logistical support operation for Katrina that was activated a week or so into the disaster. Well done 1st Cav: http://www.hood.army.mil/1stcavdiv/news/2005/Sept05/sept2_2005.htm

H

So why not have these guys operate under DHS, rather than the military? I'm all for military airlifts of supplies, but why not keep the guys on the ground civilians (like the rest of us)? Personally, I just think this a reaction to the shit the Feds took for hiring Blackwater to provide security after Katrina.

I'm just worried about mission creep. I know the military is more efficient at this sort of thing, but efficiency at the cost of civil rights is not a price worth paying.

And you're dead right. Well done 1st Cav.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:18 AM

MALBADINLATIN

I did find a few things way more useful than catterwalling about soldiers, tanks, conspiracy stuff, and what not.

Tips for a Nuclear Attack

Did you know that the most fallout resistant vegetables are wheat, corn, and rye. That means if you have any cows left, you could potentialy have Pastrami sandwiches before you run out of canned goods.

Also, after Jan 20th you will be henceforth, surviving "Nuclear" attacks...we will all let Nukeyooler relax in it's incorrect obsolescence. I don't know why you Conservatives reinforced that one so long.

Horde all the canned foods you can.

Build a bomb shelter, then be ready to deny your neighbors access to it by shooting them. Some of them will be very convincing.

Horde a bunch of pot because you'll need it to generate an appetite while you're feeling like a cancer ridden rat in a storm drain wallowing in your own excrement for six months.

Include a supply of potassium iodide in high amounts in your sickening bomb shelter.

After the attack, disease is liable to be epidemic for survivors of a nuclear war are malaria, plague, shigella, typhoid fever, typhus, tuberculosis, diptheria, hepatitis, whooping cough, yellow fever, influenzas, and meningitis. But thats all

Then comes the really fun part, when six months has passed, hump like monkeys and begin the process of recreating civilization. Make your many offspring do all the work rebuilding.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:33 AM

RIVERLOVE

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"the entire Armed Forces of the United States...is domestic security (against invasion or rebellion)."

Or rebellion.....wow.

Just. Wow.

If thats what they are teaching recruits...its worse than I imagined.

I had always hoped and believed that if it came to a civil war, the armed forces would NOT fight. As they are meant to protect the citizens, not kill them.

That someone would be like "Hey wait a minute, we arn't rolling into Bumfuck Ohio and holding the people there hostage...thats what the Nazis would have done."

But if it comes to it, and the Army decides its going to oppress the citizens...well, fuck. We would have to fight them too.

"Its that whole "all enemies, foriegn or domestic" bit."

The domestic part was intended as a clause against a tyrannical government. Not the people.

Sounds like a plan. Grab your TV remote control and your cell phone and go out and fight em.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Or bury your head in the sand (or up Bush's ass), keep telling yourself that all is well and those troops kicking down your door are doing it for your own protection, and if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, and then go vote for the nearest Republican, because as they'll be quick to tell you, it's not fascism when THEY do it!

Yeah, like Elian Gonzalez , or Waco ! Oh, wait. That was under Clinton, a Democrat. Where's that happened under a Republican again ( Not saying it never has, or WOULD never, just askin' )

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:43 AM

WHOZIT

Why are you guys worried? The Democrats will rule all 3 branches in Washington next month, they would never allow somthing this to happen....would they? What if Barry does'nt put a stop to this? I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Monday, December 1, 2008 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Or rebellion.....wow.

Just. Wow.

Yeah...had a Civil War. You might have heard about it. Seems a bunch of folks wanted to go off and start their own country, Lincoln sent in the army to stop them.

Before that a bunch of folks wanted to not pay their taxes...Washington personally led the army out to Pittsburg to explain things to them.

Seems the Consitution says something about ensuring domestic tranquility and common defense. And then theres Article 4, Section 4, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

Wow...I'm just talking crazy with my history and reading the document crap.

H

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Monday, December 1, 2008 4:38 PM

Oh bullshit Hero - while they were oh so unable to render assistance, they were oh-so-able to go in there and fucking confiscate peoples means of defense while leaving them to the wolves to plunder, weren't they ?

And the 82nd Airborne was right there with em, too.

You wanna know what to DO about it, I done already told ya, Psy-Ops, folks - get in their HEADS and dump sand in the gears, short of sensory deprivation there's no defense and done RIGHT, when some prick does give the order to harm civvies, it won't be the civves staring down a gunbarrel.

More detail I will not give at this time, but a little forum necromancy would find quite a bit, I'm sure.

-Frem

*Hint - everyone loves chocolate chip cookies, and is really, really, really reluctant to abuse or allow abuse against the source.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 4:45 AM

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So when the next natural disaster or "terrorist attack" hits and the jackboots come to "save the day"...by taking away your guns of course....

What will you do?

As for me, I would get the hell out of there, if possible. Fully armed of course.

But if I HAD to stay....quick and quiet to stay ahead of the lawless gangs, both legal and illegal.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 5:53 AM

Gimme a week, there'll be desertions.

Gimme a month, there'll be a mutiny.

Gimme a year, they'll be marching down main street with their original CO's head on a spike as their guidon singing Stars and Stripes Forever as they defend OUR community against the rebel forces of the evil traitors to the glorious cause of Liberty.
http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyrics/starsandstripesforever.html

Sic Semper Tyrannis!

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:45 AM

STORYMARK

I don't know what is funnier - the fact that I find Hero to be the voice of reason in this thread, and agree with him

or

The fact that a rational adult actually thought that if a civil war broke out, the military would just sit it out....

The paranoia (and patented "I'm not a bigot, I just don't like colored folk" style bigotry) on display is unsurprisingly extreme.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:11 AM

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"The paranoia (and patented "I'm not a bigot, I just don't like colored folk" style bigotry) on display is unsurprisingly extreme."

And where do you see that in this thread?

The truth is that if we must fight, it will be ALL of us, regardless of color, creed, or religion.

We are all Americans, remember? Despite our differences, a tyrannical government is something we can ALL fight against.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:38 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"The paranoia (and patented "I'm not a bigot, I just don't like colored folk" style bigotry) on display is unsurprisingly extreme."

And where do you see that in this thread?

Mainly your Katrina comments, compiled with just about everything else I've read from you.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Gimme a week, there'll be desertions.

Gimme a month, there'll be a mutiny.

Gimme a year, they'll be marching down main street...

Give you an hour and you'll be dead. Terminal stupidity...

H

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by AG05:
So why not have these guys operate under DHS, rather than the military?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You can have 20,000 military forces, who are already on the payroll, already have training, already have equipment and transport available, and who can be deployed in military roles overseas as needed.

Or

You have 20,000 additional civilian forces who need to be paid, equipped, and provided wth transportation, and sit around doing nothing until a disaster local resources can't deal with occurs. And even if this force is civilian, they're gonna have to have some sort of security component attached.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
a tyrannical government is something we can ALL fight against.

I thought that's what we've been doing for the last eight years...

The whimsical Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 10:09 AM

Ideas are bulletproof, Hero.

Besides, you know better than any that I farm out the real dirty work, just like you do.

-F

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ideas are bulletproof, Hero.

Remember remember.

The Very Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I just couln't get past the caption in the article:

"Security has been more visible since the federal government heightened the terrorism alert from red to orange."

Isn't going from red to orange decreasing the alert ? Isn't that the one thing we learned from all the color manipulation before the 2004 elections ?

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How quickly one forgets.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by rue:

Isn't going from red to orange decreasing the alert ?

Only on odd numbered days or when the Moon is full...silly Rue, keep up, girl!!

The cryptic Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:02 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Owwww ... and now my head hurts.

HEY !

You keep up and tell me when I'm going wrong ! OK ?

he he he he he ...

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:48 PM

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"You have 20,000 additional civilian forces who need to be paid, equipped, and provided wth transportation, and sit around doing nothing until a disaster local resources can't deal with occurs. And even if this force is civilian, they're gonna have to have some sort of security component attached. "

Yeah, its called the Red Cross with the cops acting as cover.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ideas are bulletproof, Hero.

Prove it. If you die and can still make a good point...I'll concede that ideas are bulletproof.

H

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:33 AM

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"If you can die and still make a good point..."

Lets see...

The folks who have died and made a good point doing so...

Ghandi.

M.L.K.

Any American patriot who stood, and died, against tyranny.

The boys at Omaha beach.

The boys at Iwo Jima.

J.F.K.

Do you want me to go on?

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:20 AM

The proof lies all around here, even right here in RWED.

You cannot unsay the things I've said, nor can you go to everyone who's learned or pondered things from my posts and take all that back.

Nor can you in any way prevent them from passing those philosophies, those ideas and concepts, onto others.

Even if you were to knock me off, there's plenty willing and able to take my place, and were one of them to choose the "highlander option", I doubt that anyone would actually even realize it had happened.

Even if you were to torch the US Constitution, burn The Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers and outlaw all of Peter Kropotkins work, ban the words of Patrick Henry...

All you would do is stoke the fires by admission that those words, and the people uttering them, reading them, knowing them - are a threat to those waiting behind lady liberty with a garrotte waiting for the people to blink.

And all your veiled threats do is help the very cause you so desire to eliminate, feed the very fires you'd like stamped out.

Hell of a quandry, innit ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:45 AM

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In other words....

There are going to be people willing to stand against your tyrannical, socialist, Big Brother, 1984, Nazi state.

Folks willing to fight and, if need be, die to stop you.

Its getting to the point that Im wondering who will fire the next "shot heard round the world".

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:59 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ideas are bulletproof, Hero.

Prove it. If you die and can still make a good point...I'll concede that ideas are bulletproof.

H

Simpleton.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Gimme a week, there'll be desertions.

Gimme a month, there'll be a mutiny.

Gimme a year, they'll be marching down main street...

Give you an hour and you'll be dead. Terminal stupidity...

H

If that what you want to believe Hero, you go right ahead....

But, as for me...I'd prefer to believe that Frem could do as he says. It gives me some peace at night.

The idea, that we (the BrownCoats), could win is very comforting.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:05 AM

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As a question...

If the military did turn against us, who could we turn to to lead us in the fight aginst them?

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The folks who have died and made a good point doing so...

Ghandi.

M.L.K.

Any American patriot who stood, and died, against tyranny.

The boys at Omaha beach.

The boys at Iwo Jima.

J.F.K.

Do you want me to go on?

Is your name on that list?

I mean if your name is not on the list what makes you think your ideas will carry on?

There's only one way to find out...only one way to be sure...

H

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:26 AM

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Ill tell you what, Hero....

You first.

I can help you with that if youd like...

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
In other words....

There are going to be people willing to stand against your tyrannical, socialist, Big Brother, 1984, Nazi state.

Fair enough. But I suspect that there will be those laughing at them and pointing at the idiot commanding the tide to turn.

Its not that your cause isn't just or that you can't succeed. Its just you lack...perspective.

For example...my tyrannical, socialist, Big Brother, 1984, Nazi state could just be in your head. Tyranny of the mind, self inflicted.

H

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
In other words....

There are going to be people willing to stand against your tyrannical, socialist, Big Brother, 1984, Nazi state.

Fair enough. But I suspect that there will be those laughing at them and pointing at the idiot commanding the tide to turn.

Its not that your cause isn't just or that you can't succeed. Its just you lack...perspective.

For example...my tyrannical, socialist, Big Brother, 1984, Nazi state could just be in your head. Tyranny of the mind, self inflicted.

H

Sure thing Hero...keep sipping that Kool-Aid, watching American Idol on your 50 inch plasma, and telling yourself that everything is just gonna be GREAT now..

You don't do ANYTHING wrong, so you've got nothing to worry about...right?

Yeah, and everyone who thinks that stuffs F*cked up, is just crazy...

Yeah, everything is just perfect....

(slurp) (slurppp) (sluuuuurrrpppp)

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:46 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The silence is deafening....

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:58 AM

STORYMARK

Because we were all left speechless by your paranoia and our complete lack of, you know, taking you seriously....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:59 AM