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Why I Hate Capitalism
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:13 PM
CORNCOBB
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:18 PM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Who determines need ? Or who determines what one deserves ? You? The Government ? The Church? Santa Clause ?
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:20 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Call me when anyone interesting shows up.
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:21 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Who determines need ? Or who determines what one deserves ? You? The Government ? The Church? Santa Clause ? You asked me to define greed, I just did, don't make it something it ain't
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Hey, it only follows if there's gonna be a determiner, then we have to decide who says " too much " and who says " not enough ". Otherwise, the definition is pointless to even have in the first place.
Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And, given the vitriol you and your kind repeatedly spew at the very mention of socialism, I still suspect you'd be perfectly willing to apply a little "harsh punishment" (like torture, of which we allegedly don't) without benefit of judicial sanction.
Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: So take a little time and figure how many of the folk you deal with each day SignyM hates. Pretty much any restaurant, coffee shop or bar you go into is either owned an run by a capitalist, or franchised by a capitalist. Any non-chain store you frequent has probably got a capitalist owner-operator. Franchised gas stations are generally owned and run by capitalists. You're awash in capitalists any where you go, and SignyM hates them all.
Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:09 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:SignyM, on the other hand, proudly proclaims hatred for capitalism, and you can't hate capitalism without hating capitalists....I'm wondering why you feel you have to defend such hate.
Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Hey, it only follows if there's gonna be a determiner, then we have to decide who says " too much " and who says " not enough ". Otherwise, the definition is pointless to even have in the first place. Except that's not what you did. You went from me giving a definition, to demanding me to give you an economic and social system. So you define what's too much. Or is there no such concept? Is enough whatever you manage to take? In which case, why do you have a problem with the stimulus? If they manage to take it, that's enough.
Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:01 AM
Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:58 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:AuLapdog wrote: No, I merely asked you to define an[sic] word you were using, and then I asked a logical follow up question. It was suppose[sic] to make you think. Sorry if you got injured in any way.
Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:04 AM
Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A childish retort from a childish individual. Ignore the issue, and nit pick beyond all reason. This isn't a term paper, nor a thesis I'm posting for peer review. It's just a quick posting on a message board. Try to dismiss my view points for micro grammatical errors all you want, but you end up looking the fool, " Mike". It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager " They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:39 AM
Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And maybe that guy in the pic ( no me, btw ) WAS indeed directing his comments to the Morans. Are you SURE he meant 'moron' ? Or are you only ASSUMING he spelled the word wrong ?
Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: That's like saying: "You can't hate poverty without hating poor people" or "You can't hate illness without hating sick people".
Quote:You can be the nicest business owner in the world but you'll be forced to compete with peeps who have no conscience whatsoever, and THOSE peeps will eventually take over market share. (eg Walmart versus Ben&Jerry's).
Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: So, by that thinking, if one states that one hates guns, one must hate the manufactures, the retailers, the owners, and the society which makes their very existence possible. That straw dog don't hunt, Geez.
Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:01 PM
Quote:Oh, bull. Poor people don't choose to be poor. Sick people don't choose to be sick.
Quote:When did Wal-Mart take over Ben & Jerry's? I deal with capitalists all the time who have secure places in their market not because they're greedy and have no consicence at all, but because they provide superior product and customer service, and know the customers in their market value that over a lower price for less quality and service. I've had some direct me to other businesses when their product wouldn't meet my needs.
Monday, February 16, 2009 4:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I noticed you slid over the terrorism example. Because terrorists DO choose to be terrorists, and I STILL don't think you can get rid of terrorism by killing terrorists.
Quote: You have completely missed the point.
Monday, February 16, 2009 5:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: She then noticed the NRA hat I was wearing, got all huffy and outraged, and asked if I was going to pull out my gun and shoot her. What? She then proceeded to tell me she hated guns and anyone who owned them and asked if I'd shoot her now that I knew her position? After quickly explaining it was illegal to carry a gun in a National Park, I got away from this nutcase as fast as I could. Here in Northern Virginia, I find that I have to be careful about mentioning target shooting as my hobby at parties, meetings, etc., because any anti-gun folks who overhear tend to crank up their tirades.
Monday, February 16, 2009 6:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: So you are careful at parties, but wear your NRA hat in a public place. *ATTENTION WHORE ALERT*
Quote:Also, because this one woman was an extremist in her feelings does not mean everyone else is.
Monday, February 16, 2009 6:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Signym hates capitalism and capitalists. Same-same.
Monday, February 16, 2009 6:50 AM
MALBADINLATIN
Quote:Originally posted by rue: "Greed is only a symptom of corruption which in turn has it's roots in our unavoidably unchangeable human instinct." Every time I see a 'human nature' (or instinct) notion, I think the person doesn't have an argument - just an opinion. And that opinion is usually some variant of social Darwinism.
Quote:Originally posted by rue: So: Is it human nature to die for another ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue:Is it human nature to take pleasure in cooperating ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue:Is it human nature to invent without the lure of greed ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue:Is it human nature to love ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue:Is it human nature to value things that aren't economic ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue:Is it human nature to sacrifice time, effort and resources to raise children without recompense ?
Quote:Originally posted by rue: All of these are historically and scientifically proven things.
Quote:Originally posted by rue:And how does that stack up against your opinion of humanity as individualistic greedy grubbing economic machines blind to everything else ?
Monday, February 16, 2009 7:55 AM
Quote:Signym hates capitalism and capitalists. Same-same.
Monday, February 16, 2009 8:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Signym hates capitalism and capitalists. Same-same. Geezer hates socialists way more more than SignyM hates capitalists because he can't seem to stop lying about them. --------------------------------- It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
Monday, February 16, 2009 8:20 AM
Quote:I noticed you slid over the terrorism example. Because terrorists DO choose to be terrorists, and I STILL don't think you can get rid of terrorism by killing terrorists.-SignyM You're the one who brought up killing. I'm talking about hating. Do you hate terrorism, BTW? If not, then of course you don't hate terrorists.
Quote:You have completely missed the point. -SignyM You say you hate capitalism. You don't ever state that you limit your hate to certain segments, so you must hate the whole thing. You say it's capitalism's greed and lack of consicence that cause you to hate it. You say that greedy and consicenceless folks inevitably take over all markets. Logically then, all successful capitalists must be greedy and consicenceless. Since they are the same - greedy and consicenceless - as the thing you hate, how could you not hate them?
Monday, February 16, 2009 8:43 AM
Quote:Posted by Geezer: She then proceeded to tell me she hated guns and anyone who owned them and asked if I'd shoot her now that I knew her position? After quickly explaining it was illegal to carry a gun in a National Park, I got away from this nutcase as fast as I could. Here in Northern Virginia, I find that I have to be careful about mentioning target shooting as my hobby at parties, meetings, etc., because any anti-gun folks who overhear tend to crank up their tirades. Just like SignyM and her hatred for capitalists, these folks think they know all about me from the fact that I enjoy shooting holes in paper, and aren't shy about expressing their hatred.
Monday, February 16, 2009 9:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Geezer hates socialists way more more than SignyM hates capitalists because he can't seem to stop lying about them.
Monday, February 16, 2009 9:26 AM
Monday, February 16, 2009 9:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I really don't see why you feel so personally threatened when I point to a system and say Hey! It sucks! It creates a situation in which people MUST be greedy in order to succeed. It erodes the better parts of our nature! It creates tremendous wealth for a few at the expense of the many! It sequesters capital and crashes on a routine basis!
Monday, February 16, 2009 9:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: This would pretty clearly seem to indicate that you hate everyone who is anti-gun. You refer to one person as a "nutcase" based on a chance encounter of a few moments...
Quote:and then refer to "these folks", lumping anyone else who dislikes guns into that "nutcase" category.
Quote:So, by extension, you hate them all. You don't seem shy about expressing YOUR hatred, either.
Monday, February 16, 2009 1:36 PM
Quote:Unlike SignyM's avowed hatred of capitalism, I've never said I hate people who share differing views on guns,
Quote:I meet and deal with capitalists all the time who have succeeded without being greedy or having the better parts of their natures eroded, both in small and large businesses. If you think about it, you deal with these folks too.
Monday, February 16, 2009 2:02 PM
OUT2THEBLACK
Monday, February 16, 2009 4:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: "Under communism man oppresses man, while under capitalism it is just the reverse".
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Yep, since I'm in the compliance section of my agency, I routinely deal with businesses which criminally risk public health for a few more bucks.
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:11 AM
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Capitalism is the gun provided to the small child.
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MalBadInLatin: Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Capitalism is the gun provided to the small child.children without parents take on every attribute of adults right?
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:51 PM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Non-sequiter, your facts are un-co-ordinated.
Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:34 PM
Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: part of me wonders if the upsurge in some deviances, like pedophilia
Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MalBadInLatin: Socialism in Denmark is the model. Sweden too.
Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:31 PM
Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:42 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:48 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Let me say I'm sorry you've lost so much. :( I think that more than anything else, community is what gives people the best and most permanent sense of purpose and fulfillment. When people become SO disconnected from their fellow humanity, from their community, they stop caring if they're hurting anyone. And these are otherwise perfectly functioning people with a full range of emotions. They often end up isolated due to the things they've done for money, possession, and power. I think people have felt a lot more connection to their community in past history, and they've grown up with that connection. In the absence of that, you get materialism and a population that is more depressed. They get so depressed, they stop trying, and just start watching TV all the time. They stop thinking, stop creating, indulge in whatever fills the void. And it's a downward cycle, because that disconnects them more.
Friday, February 20, 2009 12:11 AM
Friday, February 20, 2009 2:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: If you want to know what the US Government's priorities are, just look at it's budget break down. Pay special attention to which entity recieves over fifty percent of the overall budget, dispersed as it is through various different departments and emergency expenditure. More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes! No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
Friday, February 20, 2009 3:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: And I think it's a capitalist system, whose values we DO intentionally instill in people. To look on people not as people but as a means to a profit - cogs in the money machine as it were. Even more, to treat people that way, in every aspect of their lives. Need water, food, shelter, care, or simply a place in this society ? It can only be had for a price, and someone's profit.
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