Laurasaurus Ingraham by MalBadInLatin

America loves a winner!

Funny thing is, when Al Franken, Randy Rhodes and the like were making far MORE noise ( or trying to ) and being far more venomous and vitriolic, the Right just chuckled and whispered, " keep it up "

Well, moveondotorg and the DemUndeground gangs have had their victories, if not at on the airwaves, at least at the ballot box. But see, that's all they REALLY need to win, because once they're in power, they plan to control the airwaves anyway. And while the "unFairness Doctrine " might be dead, there are those pushing forward equally as unconstitutional and anti-freedom sorts of legislation, all in the name of " fairness ".

Rush has been a target of the Left for 2 decades now , and they only seem to make him more and more popular. I listen to Laura almost every day, and though I missed this particular skit ( and that's all it was , HUMOR ) I'm fairly confident the Left is once again taking this WAY out of context and attempting to vilify Ms Ingraham , not on the basis of her view points, but merely because she's a conservative woman.

Shame on the Left, though I know they have none.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:47 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Funny thing is, when Al Franken, Randy Rhodes and the like were making far MORE noise ( or trying to ) and being far more venomous and vitriolic, the Right just chuckled and whispered, " keep it up "

Faulty analogy. Niether Al Franken nor Randy Rhodes were mainstream Liberal media personalities and I never heard thier radio stuff. Laurasaurus is a prominent Conservative pundit with an actual highly impressionable audience thats listening. it's not Liberalism's, or the Democratic Party's fault Conservatives constantly dig up Liberal media dirt to roll around and play victims in. otherwise it would go relatively unaired. They just need to feed the outrage machine.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Well, moveondotorg and the DemUndeground gangs have had their victories, if not at on the airwaves, at least at the ballot box. But see, that's all they REALLY need to win, because once they're in power, they plan to control the airwaves anyway. And while the "unFairness Doctrine " might be dead, there are those pushing forward equally as unconstitutional and anti-freedom sorts of legislation, all in the name of " fairness "

I recommend Lithium at first, if that doesn't work, try Gabapentin, if that doesn't work try Haldol or Thorazine. That's a little too much conspiracy even for a Conservapublineocontarian Rap.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Rush has been a target of the Left for 2 decades now , and they only seem to make him more and more popular. I listen to Laura almost every day, and though I missed this particular skit ( and that's all it was , HUMOR ) I'm fairly confident the Left is once again taking this WAY out of context and attempting to vilify Ms Ingraham , not on the basis of her view points, but merely because she's a conservative woman.

Let me fill you in. Igraham made fun of the fact that Ms McCain was "plus size", which if that doesn't mean fat, heavy, or large...what does it mean Rap? She also made fun of her speech as though she spoke like a valley girl, which is either as slam on age, or intelligence, perhaps both and at least one. What else could she mean?

You're not supposed to think that making fun of how somebody talks...or being plus size...is funny. I would have figured a man with some human compassion...would have understood that.

Conservapublineocontarians have always baffled me when it comes to humor. Liberals have three incredibly successful comedy shows about politics. Not the right. 1/2 hour comedy hour flopped, Red Eye is currently flopping. I guess you righties respond to outrage and anger, not happiness or humor...and you want it from the Rush's and the Igraham's without debate or interruption. Rush is like shooting up outrage. You righties are junkies, and need help.

Laura Ingraham was NOT trying to be funny or humorous. A humorous thought runs away from righties faster than shit goes through a goose. Ingraham needs to have the lesbian affair she needs deep down, and then she'd feel a lot better.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Shame on the Left, though I know they have none.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

That's spelled L-I-T-H-I-U-M.

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:52 PM

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Niether Al Franken nor Randy Rhodes were mainstream Liberal media personalities and I never heard thier radio stuff

- That you never heard them kinda makes the point. They were ATTEMPTING to be 'main stream' , but AA failed, miserably. The analogy is apt.

Sorry, I'm not into the 'drug' thing, as clearly, you are. There's no conspiracy here, just what IS.

You say Laura "made fun of " , but did you actually hear the skit, as it was played, unedited ? If it's anything like the Limbaugh stories I've heard, 99% of all this is pure Left wing spin.

There's such a thing as PARODY. Not suppose to make fun of how people talk ?? Hell, WTF have folks been doing to W for the past 8 yrs ? I think that opens up a window into your line of thinking.... don't ridicule anyone unless you really REALLY hate them. Well, guess what, sometimes folks poke fun at others just a bit, for the sake of tweaking. It doesn't always have to mean they despise that person. I suppose the concept is lost on the Left, as they ridiculed Bush for 2 terms, and made no secret how they really felt about him.

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Ingraham needs to have the lesbian affair she needs deep down, and then she'd feel a lot better.

Wow. Project your personal views onto others much ?

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:05 PM

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p.s.

I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually. Ms McCain did sound a bit like a valley girl. And Laura's throw away line about " plus size models " is more a slap at Hollywood's obsession w/ emaciated women, stick figures and much ado about nothing when it comes to Ms McCain being " fat ". Please. Just another shallow attempt by the Left to gen up false indignation in their ongoing jihad to vilify conservatives.

This is nothing more than run of the mill, standard issue Left wing hypocrisy. Franken calls Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot, and the Left gets away with this sort of crap every damn day. W is a stupid frat boy, but when the Left wants to flip things around for their own P.R. spin, the smallest throw away line like what Laura said about " plus size models" gets folks screaming ?

Completely phony indignation on the part of the Left, because THEY CAN'T WIN ON SUBSTANCE !

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:29 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
did you actually hear the skit, as it was played, unedited ? If it's anything like the Limbaugh stories I've heard, 99% of all this is pure Left wing spin.

I heard the skit as presented by Laura Ingraham herself this week on Bill O'Reilly.

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM

America loves a winner!

Yeah, I heard it too.

Much ado about nothing.

As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets.
-- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:47 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually.

You ever notice how every now and then you find something so profoundly lacking compassion that righties and lefties do on tape or video...and you begin to dream that they'll own up to it? Instead of going to work like lawyers absolving themselves of any wrongdoing? You just lean back in the chair and say Oh well.

So sad to live in a delusion. At least personally as a lefty, I know both sides are sneaky lawyer types whom absolve themselves of everything. Renew my faith in mankind Rap and tell me you're not stupid enough to fall for the conservative media spin and your own built in delusional capabilities. You know good and well Ingraham was being as catty and as insulting as she could possibly pull off without Cindy getting up in her grill. I thought Conservatives had manners .

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Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:51 PM

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There was nothing in the least bit catty about Laura's impersonation of Meghan McCain. Ms McCain came out and took a swipe at conservative talk show host, and that got her a interview on MSNBC. Fresh out of college with her Art history degree, Meghan has yet to be confused with some of the more polished political minds on the national landscape. But because of her comments about Coulter and Limbaugh, she's suddenly the Left wing's media darling. Never mind the hateful, heartless and truly catty things said about Sarah Palin just a few months ago, Meghan's youth and inexperience is every bit real to see. Quite simply, being the daughter of a U.S. Senator alone isn't enough to give Meghan her 'street cred' when it comes to being politically savvy.

And yet, here she is, being treated as a serious political commentator on the Rachel Madow show. She offers that the GOP should go more " moderate" , despite the fact that her own dad, the poster child for the Moderate in today's political scene, just got defeated by a guy with zero experience and who had been in D.C. less than 2 yrs before he started campaigning for the big seat. Meghan should take some time and think about that before she starts offering the GOP any political advice.

The sad game here being played is by the Left, in using the daughter of McCain to attack conservative talk radio. That you can't see through ( or simply just refuse to. because you hate the Right so much ) is what's really disappointing

" As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:32 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
p.s.

I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually. Ms McCain did sound a bit like a valley girl. And Laura's throw away line about " plus size models " is more a slap at Hollywood's obsession w/ emaciated women, stick figures and much ado about nothing when it comes to Ms McCain being " fat ". Please. Just another shallow attempt by the Left to gen up false indignation in their ongoing jihad to vilify conservatives.

This is nothing more than run of the mill, standard issue Left wing hypocrisy. Franken calls Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot, and the Left gets away with this sort of crap every damn day. W is a stupid frat boy, but when the Left wants to flip things around for their own P.R. spin, the smallest throw away line like what Laura said about " plus size models" gets folks screaming ?

Completely phony indignation on the part of the Left, because THEY CAN'T WIN ON SUBSTANCE !

Yeah, all the phony indignation on the Left over that "lipstick on a pig" remark was just so embarrassing! I know the Right would never stoop that low.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:57 AM

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No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:47 AM

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Friday, March 20, 2009 4:00 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

I never did see what all the fuss was about over Obama's "lipstick" remark. It's a common expression. My wife and I had a small argument over that

BUT that being said, there are things Obama did during the campaign that made me raise my eyebrows. Like the subtle flipping-the-bird-pretending-to-scratch-my-forehead thing. THAT was questionable.

There's a little bit of a difference in picking on someone for the way they talk or look vs. "jokes" about death threats. There was a little stink raised by an Air America "joke" where they threatened to kill Bush if he dared to mess with Social Security. There was a whole "Go ahead *CLICK* Make my day" Funny? I suppose . . in a way. But you're talkin' about killing the President there. Right or Left? No. Just plain wrong.

People have taken Bush making a silly face or a face made in a speech caugh on camera that merely looked funny and turned it around into making him look like a moron (yes, I know many of you think that).

Want a laugh from a Conservative? Listen to Glenn Beck. He's pretty darn funny. Compasionate, yes. Makes fun of liberal . . . um . . . yes, of course. Gets infuriated at times and lashes out? Yes. He's human. But a funny human.

To prove I've got a wide range sense of humor, I saw the clip on Jay Leno with various polital figures playing Jeopardy: Lincoln, Bush and Obama. The funniest part was Bush's last three or four questions.

The Economy:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
Iraq:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
Global Warming:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
and finally
Illiteracy:
"What IS MY PROBLEM"

All equally funny.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Friday, March 20, 2009 4:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Let me fill you in. Igraham made fun of the fact that Ms McCain was "plus size", which if that doesn't mean fat, heavy, or large...what does it mean Rap? She also made fun of her speech

The same points COULD be made against Rush. He's fat, talks annoyingly, and on top of that is addicted to hillbilly heroin and needs Viagra just to get it up with hos! So unless Ingraham wants to fall thru the ice, ixnay on the personal attacks!

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Friday, March 20, 2009 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

Well, you say "tomato", I say "fuck you"...

"Lipstick on a pig" was phony indignation at its height. There's no actual "there" there - unless you admit that McCain called Hillary a pig.

And oh yeah - what was it McCain said about Chelsea Clinton? That she was butt-ugly, or some such?

I know, Lappy, "it isn't an insult if it's true"... Which applies to that fatty Meagan McCain and her "Oh my god, I was all, like, whatever" way of talking. It's not an insult if it's true, right?

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Friday, March 20, 2009 7:06 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

Anyone with a grasp on english knew that the lipstick line was a comment on McCain and not Palin, yet the righties went crazy saying it was sexist.

In short, you are full of shit.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, March 20, 2009 9:08 AM

America loves a winner!

It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.

Penn Jillette is spot on.

DNC = the party of hate

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 9:12 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

“As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. Why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he’s gonna be great.”

- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski

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Friday, March 20, 2009 9:14 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.

Like I said, anyone with a grasp on the language got it - which clearly excludes you.

It was a direct reference to something McCain said.

You know it was.

As for the sexist claims... that's whiney bullshit.

And you know it.

Fake outragfe, re-writing history, and whining any time they don't get their was - Standard GOP M.O.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, March 20, 2009 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.

Penn Jillette is spot on.

DNC = the party of hate

"petitio principii" is what the ancient Roman Conservapublinecontarian Raptorius was told when he made a similar argument about Nero not really meaning what he said.

Meanwhile back at the FF Ranch in modern day...Your fallback position in this argument in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises...is fallacious by nature. What kind of debate forum accepts answers like..."Yep it is! because it is, and that's because I said it is!"

Furthermore..."spot on" is an annoying little phrase.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 10:49 AM

Bringing this up again because I get the feeling AuCoward has once again checked out of an uncomfortable thread:

"Lipstick on a pig" was phony indignation at its height. There's no actual "there" there - unless you admit that McCain called Hillary a pig. Did he? He used the remark speaking directly about her proposals.

And oh yeah - what was it McCain said about Chelsea Clinton? That she was butt-ugly, or some such?

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It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.

Penn Jillette is spot on.

DNC = the party of hate

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Yes, and the cop-shooting-the-chimp cartoon was directed at Obama.
You know it was.
It was racist, hate-filled, and petty.
Standard M.O. for the Right.

Penn Gillette was right:

GOP = the party of fear! (Fear of the black man, apparently)

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

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Friday, March 20, 2009 12:57 PM

America loves a winner!

Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status, and turend a legitimate thread into a game of kitty table tennis....

You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM

CITIZEN

Again AUTroll runs away with no case.

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status, and turend a legitimate thread into a game of kitty table tennis....

You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.

I'm sorry Raptorius...I hadn't seen the cats before. That is frickken hysterical. I was in kind of a bad mood from managing a huge pissing contest at work...till I saw that, thanks. I must be easilly amused.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:05 PM

America loves a winner!

Mal

In all honesty, it's Friday, we've got the weekend ahead and I think we all need a laugh. Glad I could oblige.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:07 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"GOP = the party of fear! (Fear of the black man, apparently)"

Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 1:51 PM

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Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.

Well if THAT can't be taken the wrong way, I don't know what can. LOL

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Friday, March 20, 2009 2:07 PM

Here I go again . . . let's all be honest with ourselves here. Rap included. If Palin hadn't told the "Hockey Mom vs. Pit bull" joke at the convention, then Obama's comment would have meant exactly as he meant it. But because she did, his comment was blown out of proportion. That's my take on it.

I can not comment on the Laura Ingraham thing. I didn't hear it. I only have limited time to listen to The War Room out of Pittsburgh and Hannity. I don't know if it's uncouth to say that she was probably just catering to her audience and let her own sense of humor get away from her. That's what conservative and liberal talk show hosts do. They know what will get their listeners talking. Like the gun thing I mentioned before. Air America KNEW their listeners would get a kick out of the imagery of someone cocking a gun and aiming it at Bush. Sad but true.

Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives, but they stood behind him because he was a better choice, in their view, than Obama. So when the election was over, the gloves came off, so to speak. The way I understand it, Ms. McCain threw the first punch that hit a nerve and Ingraham swung back. A glancing blow, perhaps, but who knows . . . the joke just didn't work like she probably intended.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status

And Rapo is SOOO much lower he can only aspire to being one!

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:19 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status
And Rapo is SOOO much lower he can only aspire to being one!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

You sultry minx, stop trying to fall in love w/ me.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:37 PM

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Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.

Well if THAT can't be taken the wrong way, I don't know what can. LOL

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

I don't think you took it the wrong way. I think you took it exactly how Rue intended it!

"Somebody said that, you know, we're not in President Obama's Final Four, you know. And as much as I respect what he's doing, really, you know, the economy is something that he should focus on, you know, probably more than the brackets. And -- so why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he's gonna be great. But -- I love the fact that so many people are filling them out because the game is growing so much."
- Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:40 PM

America loves a winner!

I don't even want to KNOW how kwickie takes a black man's very LARGE stimulus package.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:41 PM

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Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives...

Actually, that's been pretty soundly debunked. McCain WAS the first choice, at least of the Republican party, it's delegates, and its voters. That's why he won the nomination with the most delegates, and Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani didn't. Kinda funny how that works.

I could as easily say that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people in 2000, but he's the one who was "selected"...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't even want to KNOW how kwickie takes a black man's very LARGE stimulus package.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

Well, we all know how YOU take it - any way you can get it! No holes barred, as it were.

Now stop flirting with me, princess.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Friday, March 20, 2009 3:44 PM

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You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.

And yet, here you still are. Either you were lying, or you have no life.

Or both.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 4:07 PM

America loves a winner!

You're going to have to stop cross pollinating threads w/ out of context comments.

Oh,and you're arguing with yourself, again.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 4:17 PM

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You're going to have to stop cross pollinating threads w/ out of context comments.

Oh,and you're arguing with yourself, again.

"cross pollinating"? (I think you mean "cross-pollenating", by the way)

"out of context"?

Did you or did you not post that quote in THIS thread? It's not out of context; it was posted on its own, apart from anything else you had to say, spaced well below your other thoughts in the post, like this:

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You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.

That's a direct grab of YOUR post, YOUR words, YOUR spaces.

You need to figure out what you're talking about, Mary.

"Somebody said that, you know, we're not in President Obama's Final Four, you know. And as much as I respect what he's doing, really, you know, the economy is something that he should focus on, you know, probably more than the brackets. And -- so why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he's gonna be great. But -- I love the fact that so many people are filling them out because the game is growing so much."
- Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Friday, March 20, 2009 4:20 PM

America loves a winner!

Yeah, what ever . Watching BSG.

As you were.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:55 AM

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Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives...

Actually, that's been pretty soundly debunked. McCain WAS the first choice, at least of the Republican party, it's delegates, and its voters. That's why he won the nomination with the most delegates, and Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani didn't. Kinda funny how that works.

I could as easily say that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people in 2000, but he's the one who was "selected"...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you'd like, but I clearly remember that the nomination was either going to Gulliani or Romney. They were the front-runners 3/4 of the way through the whole process and somehow McCain mysteriously came from practically last place to win the nomination. There were conspiracies (yes, I admit they quite possibly might have been just theories) that Democrats were going out and voting for him and that's what skyrocketed him ahead of the others. That's how I remember it (and yes, I could be wrong, I admit that). By the time it was Ohio's turn . . . it was a done deal. He was it. I wouldn't have voted for him (for the nomination) and a good many of my friends wouldn't have either.

And do we really need to go with the "W. wasn't elected in 2000 thing? As much as I respect you, Kwicko, I must disagree. Yes, the Supreme Court had to step in. As I remember it, the recount after recount after recount did practically nothing for Gore's overall tally. More votes were counted for each side. Gore wouldn't drop it and kept the country in limbo. SOMEONE had to step in and make a decision. Bush had the most votes (I think . . . possibly). Maybe not by a lot, but he did (I think . . . possibly

).

MAN! Can you guys hold a grudge about that!

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:05 AM

America loves a winner!

McCain was the choice of the old guard, Country club GOP crowd, but not of the conservative wing. There's no disputing that. Romney was making good headway, until the Huckster released all his delegates and backed McCain, and that sealed the end for the Romney campaign. I don't know what personal ax Huckabee has to grind w/ Romney, but he basically put his personal views over the good of the party and the country in order to sabotage Romney's campaign. Not very Christian, if you ask me.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:30 AM

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And do we really need to go with the "W. wasn't elected in 2000 thing? As much as I respect you, Kwicko, I must disagree. Yes, the Supreme Court had to step in. As I remember it, the recount after recount after recount did practically nothing for Gore's overall tally. More votes were counted for each side. Gore wouldn't drop it and kept the country in limbo. SOMEONE had to step in and make a decision. Bush had the most votes (I think . . . possibly). Maybe not by a lot, but he did (I think . . . possibly ).

Actually, Rip, I'm *NOT* trying to get into that whole thing. And if you'll look up to my earlier post, you'll notice that nowhere in it did I say that "W. wasn't elected".

What I *SAID* was, that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people.

If you'd like substantiation for that allegation, go here:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

These are the numbers according to the U.S. Census Bureau. They clearly show that Al Gore won the POPULAR VOTE - hence my words "choice of the American people."

2000 was a rather anomalous election, in that the candidate who won the popular vote was not the candidate who won the electoral vote. When I say Bush was "selected", that's intended with more than just a little bit of tongue in cheek - mostly it's to annoy people like 'Rappy, because they love to think that Obama was "selected" rather than "elected". It's a much more accurate claim to make against Bush, though, since the Supreme Court did indeed select him as the winner.

Hold a grudge? Sure, I s'pose I do to some extent. I can disagree with the Supreme Court's decision, but as someone who holds the U.S. Constitution to be the supreme law of the land, I acknowledge their authority to make that decision, and am bound by honor to abide by it.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:27 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was the choice of the old guard, Country club GOP crowd, but not of the conservative wing. There's no disputing that. Romney was making good headway, until the Huckster released all his delegates and backed McCain, and that sealed the end for the Romney campaign. I don't know what personal ax Huckabee has to grind w/ Romney, but he basically put his personal views over the good of the party and the country in order to sabotage Romney's campaign. Not very Christian, if you ask me.

The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.

This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.

Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.

Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.

I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.

Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.

Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.

Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?

This is a lot more than what you were talking about but I'm just trying to make conversation I guess and tie it to my position that Ingraham must go far away for the good of the country.

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.

Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.

See, a lot of his money came from an industry that made it's profit by the torture and abuse of those our law considers subhuman and as such, offers virtually no protection or defense from mistreatment.

And his direct involvement with Mel Sembler and Robert Lichfield, two of the progenitors of this horror, was enough to drive in the stake and turn his own base upon him - cause say what you will about mormons otherwise, no one can deny they do love their kids, family is everything to them, and someone who profits by it's destruction is gonna get short shrift from that community.

So yeah, Huckabee picked up most of Romneys thunder when the ugly truth of where his money came from started making the rounds, and things went from there.

Romney, Torture, and Teens
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html

Once he took that money, there was nowhere far enough to run, nowhere deep enough to hide, that we wouldn't find and harry him for it.

Can you really blame us ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.

Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.

Mitt should have been named Mittiot if he knew "that teens were locked in outdoor dog cages, exercised to exhaustion, deprived of food and sleep, exposed to extreme temperatures without adequate clothing or water, severely beaten, emotionally brutalized, and sexually abused and humiliated. Some were even made to eat their own vomit"

I've seen these "brat" camps in California and they don't do that kind of horrific stuff. The worst suffering drug offender minors endure is no cell phone, no make up, no video games, washing up in a cold river, foraging for firewood, and cooking camping food. The activities are the cliche' team building excercises. And they are mostly effective in the short run. And a smaller percentage in the long run. Parent's and contributors pay for it so there ain't no tax bucks going into it.

My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits? I don't disbelieve it but troubled teens aren't the most honest. That can be a generalization I know.

For Mittiot to know about these abuses would ruin his career. Why does he still have a career? Also...you're right this has nothing to do with being Mormon

We all now Mormons are all like these folks

http://www.hbo.com/biglove/

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:40 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.

This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.

The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever. And I'm an atheist.

As for Ingraham et al, they're perfectly fine. What I have to laugh at is the intolerance shown to anything remotely close to religous. Sure, Falwell, the TBN folks and many others are crackpots, but they're still part of our society. Which is why I also think Romeny was a fine choice for President. I don't give a flip about his religious views, as long as he can run the country in a proper and constitutionally sound manner. 60 days into B.O.'s term, and he's already having problems w/ that part.

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Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.

Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.

I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.

Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.

Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.

There have been attempts to de-emphasize Christmas and Christianity, though not all attempts are ill conceived. Some have merit, while others are over zealous swinging of the pendulum in the wrong direction.

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Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?

Rush, Ingraham Hannity, etc... aren't reporters, and should not be replaced by reporters. What needs to happen is that the MSM news scene needs to have a complete and total overhaul, and OBJECTIVE reporting make a come back into our society. Lose the Left wing bias, and there won't be a REASON for Right wing talk show host and FOX news.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:31 AM

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The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever.

Until you posted that.

And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:59 AM

CITIZEN

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And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.

In which case he'd probably advocate the cold blooded murder of his children:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Malbad,

We pick our targets carefully - one of the reasons I dislike zealotry as a matter of principle in this work is cause it leads folk to leap before they look and muddies the waters, something I'll touch on again in a moment here.

The horrors described are actually soft-shoeing it, at one point we obtained via subterfuge, a facilities own surveillence camera footage of the staff beating a child to death, a death which up till that point was blamed on a pre-existing medical condition.

Despite eight people being part of the beatdown, and it being on tape, they were still aquitted, this is all too common.

One of the most recent victims, Faith Finley, the death was ruled a homicide by the coroner, and the three workers who committed it were fired, that's it, merely fired - and WILL find employment elsewhere within this industry, also an all too common story.

We're not talking about hurt feelings here, the places we go after KILL some of these kids, kill em hard - what happened to Angie Arndt should never happen to a human being here in america no matter what age they are.

As for you "seeing" these camps - did you actually visit and investigate without calling ahead, or did you just view their own promo video and make assumptions ?

That's how Congressman George Miller got involved - he did a call-ahead inspection and was just a bit suspicious and so came back *without* calling ahead and got the shock of his jaded political life, which is how HR 911 made it to a vote in the house, and it's now currently in committee in the senate.

As for no tax bucks going into it, that also usually means no restriction or regulation, something not in and of itself an awful thing, but worth taking into careful consideration when investigating.

We *always* investigate before we drop the hammer, many of the original pictures and videos that exposed the abuses to begin with were shot by me personally, and I've seen horrors beyond even the imagination of most folk in this work, like what happened at High Impact - and for what, missing curfew a couple times ?
There's no way in hell that girl deserved what was done to her.

Frankly, most of the kids wind up in these places not necessarily cause of their own issues, but cause of their PARENTS issues - drinking, drugs, a morally bankrupt lifestyle, being abusive parents (often due to ignorance more than malice) and getting pissed off when their own child reflects that back at them, or all too often emulates their own behavior.

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My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits?

Honestly ?
Almost none - less than 3% of these claims have ever come to be bogus.

Sembler and Lichfield deliberately espouse the "all children are lying manipulators" concept in keeping with Synanon's initial method of discrediting those who fled the cult, but unfortunately the damage done by mass-marketing the concept that all children are manipulative liars is far more damaging on a social level than anyone realizes and feeds heavily into the adversarial nature of adult-child relations in our society.

If they know you will call them a liar, they're no incentive to bother telling you the truth, and that also feeds the perception, but the truth of it is that children are really bad at lying to you, they don't have the range of experience to make it believeable, and cannot maintain the internal consistency required to hold up a deception for any length of time.
Look at some childrens shows who project that moral by pointing our how one lie leads to another till it all comes crashing down, as an example.

Remember, until very recently this whole "all children are liars" thing was the armor plate protecting elements of the catholic church from being called on behavior most people *KNEW* was going on, and ponder for a little while the damage caused to those who were abused when society refused to believe them when they took a stand against their fear and told someone about it - only to be smacked down and vilified as a liar, considered mentally ill, and so forth ?

What do you think that does to a kid ?
What is their perception of us adults and our society at that point ?

That has a boomerang effect much greater, proportionally, than even the abuse - cause when society condones it, then the child rejects society and/or sees it as an active enemy to be attacked and destroyed.

That said, there *ARE* facilities that do it right, Cal Farley Boys Ranch was one that proved out on investigation despite my suspicions and their own links to a few places that don't - but there's just no way to tell without investigating yourself, and thoroughly.

And for a fact, if I happen to be tearing into a place, they're guilty, I don't drop the hammer till I have enough evidence to keep their lawyers off MY back about it, and the fact that I am tearing into Romney so brutally pretty obviously reveals there's hard evidence that he knew.

As for why he has a career, well, there's a LOT of money in this business, and until someone popped the cork on him, his political career was a great way to launder a whole bunch of it.

Imma split this into two posts, cause the second one is less directly related.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:07 AM