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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

As an aside, this made me wonder.

If we get Universal Health Care, then will the government feel perfectly justified in telling me how to live my life? You know, since how I live my life will impact the 'public good'?

I think they might.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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public hospitals will become a mess, and no one will ever really get any decent treatment unless they're rich and go to private hospitals.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Can we grow our own? Tobacco I mean?

Just like the libbys, ban/tax into the stratosphere "evil" smoking, (drinking and ammo too)...but legalize weed.

Only fags try and ban fags.

lol

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Should part of your insurance for driving a sports car go to heathcare, etc

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
We should just give up on regular laws altogether. Just use the tax code to punish everything we don't like. That way we don't have to worry about all those pesky constitutional issues associated with real laws.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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As I understand it, the main difference is that any sort of division in quality of health care based on money spent we observe in America is exaggerated in England, to the point where the public hospitals are rather careless and ineffective and proper treatment almost requires private hospitals and wealth.

Of course, this is only something I've heard from someone who purportedly lives in England. If they do live there, it could also be their perspective on the health care system is different from the majority. Maybe Citizen could comment further on how accurate my statements are.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Everybody always defends this stuff by saying, "Well, I don't do it, and I'm against it, so hell yeah, tax the shit out of it!"

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

As of Apr 1st, the price for a bag of bulk tobacco, as in roll-yer-own, jumps from $15.99 to $39.67.

Thanks to a tax bump of over $23 a pound, which amounts to well over 100% tax on the product itself, in a boldly admitted attempt at prohibition via taxation and deliberate exploitation which so deeply offends me that imma go no-holds-barred on this.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Get ready for six dollar colas, folks.

The tyranny of taxing 'sin'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090514/cm_csm/yfleenorweb;_ylt=AuxHJLskP
ipsb3687m5H52ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlcjA2NWlqBHBvcwMyMDcEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9vcGluaW9uBHNsawN0aGV0eXJhbm55b2Y-

Washington – Sin is big, at least in the minds of federal and state lawmakers. The US Senate is currently considering a soda tax to help pay for healthcare reform. In New York, Gov. David Paterson (D) wants a sin tax on non-diet sodas, and West Virginia Delegate Margaret Staggers (D) supports "a heckuva junk food tax."

And you better believe, imma get behind this ball and push it, push it REAL HARD - I can hold a grudge for decades, but mostly I wanna encourage these dimwits to stick their necks so far out that the public can't resist picking up the axe!

But till that point, lemme be honest about personal failings here, yes, I damn well AM going to smirk in grim satisfaction at the outraged howling of the folks who didn't stand up when they should have in spite of it being pointed out to them time and time again that this is where it would go...

I am going to do my damned level best to MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

The "public" violated the non-aggression principle against me by busting my chops with a punitive tax because they didn't care for my bad habits, well fine, dandy - that gives me every right and reason to retaliate in kind.

And when that results in burned fingers for overreaching politicians, so much the better, but until "the public" decides that ALL these 'sin' taxes are bad, rather than the ones that JUST affect them - I'll support every goddamn one of em, to the very maximum extreme, in every way possible.

Let's see how they like the bitter taste of what they're so fucking eager to dish out then, shall we ?

-Frem

PS. SCHIP's lost over 20k in potential funding over this, which I *also* intend to roadblock at every opportunity, any way I can.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Get ready for six dollar colas, folks.

The tyranny of taxing 'sin'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090514/cm_csm/yfleenorweb;_ylt=AuxHJLskP
ipsb3687m5H52ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlcjA2NWlqBHBvcwMyMDcEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9vcGluaW9uBHNsawN0aGV0eXJhbm55b2Y-

Washington – Sin is big, at least in the minds of federal and state lawmakers. The US Senate is currently considering a soda tax to help pay for healthcare reform. In New York, Gov. David Paterson (D) wants a sin tax on non-diet sodas, and West Virginia Delegate Margaret Staggers (D) supports "a heckuva junk food tax."

And you better believe, imma get behind this ball and push it, push it REAL HARD - I can hold a grudge for decades, but mostly I wanna encourage these dimwits to stick their necks so far out that the public can't resist picking up the axe!

But till that point, lemme be honest about personal failings here, yes, I damn well AM going to smirk in grim satisfaction at the outraged howling of the folks who didn't stand up when they should have in spite of it being pointed out to them time and time again that this is where it would go...

I am going to do my damned level best to MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

The "public" violated the non-aggression principle against me by busting my chops with a punitive tax because they didn't care for my bad habits, well fine, dandy - that gives me every right and reason to retaliate in kind.

And when that results in burned fingers for overreaching politicians, so much the better, but until "the public" decides that ALL these 'sin' taxes are bad, rather than the ones that JUST affect them - I'll support every goddamn one of em, to the very maximum extreme, in every way possible.

Let's see how they like the bitter taste of what they're so fucking eager to dish out then, shall we ?

-Frem

PS. SCHIP's lost over 20k in potential funding over this, which I *also* intend to roadblock at every opportunity, any way I can.

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Was this a state level tax on tobacco?

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what is SCHIP?

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I agree that it's time to tell these people to go staight to hell.

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It seems its okay to give meth addicts and other drug users tax payer funded treatment, but people who actually pay taxes and obey the law are punished for anything that those in power see as 'harmful'.

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Crusading NY health chief picked to head CDC
May 15, 2009 - 5:08pm

NEW YORK (AP) - For seven years, Dr. Thomas Frieden has been the nagging conscience of the nation's biggest city, the man who made sure New Yorkers couldn't smoke in bars or eat french fries cooked in artery-clogging trans fats.

Now, the city's health commissioner will be taking his crusade against unhealthy living national as the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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