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-River

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Rapo, a real skeptic would look at all kinds of information, and would also consider the source. A real skeptic questions everything. But you swallow the party line: hook, bait, sinker and all.


Demonstrably not true. I took, for example, the word of a CLINTON appointed CIA director as being credible.

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Not really. I asked a question and then caught a plane to New York because unlike Auraptor I have a life. A week later I looked at my thread and read the whole thing, and it appears AR answered the question, so there was no point in me cross-examining his fat ass for more information. I strangely pity him though...

Oh and BTW RIPWash? You can kiss my ass for sticking up for your butt-buddy Auraptor. I guess the both of you must attend the same Klan meetings.

Happy Easter!

-River

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I kinda agree with Auraptor here. You picked a fight and then ran away and let others fight the battle for you. Then you come back almost 300 posts later to call him a sad, strange, little man and that he has your pity.

I find it funny that you think you have the authority to thread just because you started it. Your participation was nil and it's like you're only joining the chorus at the end. You had nothing constructive to contribute. Why start something you had no intention of participating in other than to call him names?

I find that rather silly.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Not really. I asked a question and then caught a plane to New York because unlike Auraptor I have a life. A week later I looked at my thread and read the whole thing, and it appears AR answered the question, so there was no point in me cross-examining his fat ass for more information. I strangely pity him though...

Oh and BTW RIPWash? You can kiss my ass for sticking up for your butt-buddy Auraptor. I guess the both of you must attend the same Klan meetings.

Happy Easter!

-River

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Nice. Very mature. More name calling. I didn't insult you, but if you feel justified in doing so to me, then I can't stop you.

And a very happy Easter to you, as well. And that is a heartfelt wish which I think yours was not.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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BSCM - I've been trying to keep up with the massive amount of posts in this thread, and have been resisting the urge to reply in hope of not hijacking it.

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...and sacrifice the lives of servicemen at Pearl Harbor just to play politics is certainly henious.

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Have you picked up an outlandish partisan view on history here? I've heard historians dismiss this idea.

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Yes, I'm sure we have all heard the looney lefty liberal historians dismiss many truths unflattering to FDR, LBJ, Jiminy Cotta, Slick Willie, and the Obamination, but the facts still remain if you choose to think for yourself and read about history.
Yes, FDR was elected in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944. You may have heard rumors that Nazi Germany (under Hitler) had invaded other sovreign Nations, and begun extermination of Jews, prior to 1940, and that England was sure to fall without direct US combat intervention. Most have read that FDR understood all this, and knew the US must enter the war, but still campaigned as an Isolationist, promising to not enter the war even if we were the last nation on Earth not a Axis Power - because winning election was more impotant than saving the lives of Yurpeens and Jews. After winning election in 1940, he then needed to convince the American public that we needed to enter the war - which he had just won re-election by promising not to. Most sensible people now know that our cryptographers had broken the Japanese codes and had known several days before 7 Dec that the Japanese Navy was going to attack Pearl Harbor. FDR also knew this, and had also been told the same by Churchill in a phone conversation 11 days before the attack. FDR chose to not inform Admiral Kimmel, or anybody else in Hawaii, so that many American servicemen could be sacrificed and US citizens would be convinced to support the entering into the war. Kimmel was the scapegoat, and in 1999 the US Senate passed a resolution to exonerate Adm Kimmel.
After 50 years of classification, the documents became public in 1991, exposing FDR's deceit.
In the election of 1944, the GOP candidate was informed, upon selection as the candidate, that the code had been broken, and FDR had sacrificed the lives and ships at Peral Harbor. With this information, he could have exposed FDR for the conniving weasel that he was and ensured victory in the election, but he would have been endangering the lives of Americans in the Pacific (Marines and Sailors) by letting the Japanese know we were reading their secret messages. With the choice of endangering the servicemen and prolonging the war, or keeping quiet about FDR's betrayal and just hoping the American voter wasn't too stupid to re-elect FDR, Gov Dewey chose the honorable option and kept the cryptography program a secret.
He lost the election by being honorable, just as FDR won by being the coniving deceitful weasel.

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I understand that 2 of the British code breakers wrote a book years ago about the Pearl Harbor attack. They said exactly what you are saying here. But, I do not believe it for one second. If even the premise was true, that FDR was looking for a way to mobilize Americans to want to join the war, he certainly could/would have taken some steps to reduce the enormous scope and total devastation we sufferered. Some of the battleships on Battleship row could have been sent out to sea back in the direction of the mainland. Why would FDR sacrifice our entire Pacific Fleet? It doesn't make any sense. It took us years to recover from that, and by then Japan had extended it's control over all of Asia and the Pacific. Also, it seems a bit of a strecth to think that a secret as deep and dark as this could have been kept by all those who were in the know all these years. The Japanese " Tanaka Plan " had been widely known for years, just like Bin Laden's desire to crash planes into buildings had been known for years. I think Pearl Harbor was just a case of us knowing of a possible threat, but not taking it serious.

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Saddam is dead. His sons are dead. He and his line have been taken out. Blister popped.
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But Secret Security Classification Clearance prohibits the public dissemination of such info, and is also supposed to prohibit the dissemination among those without "Need To Know". Democrats and other despicable liberals oft use these Classified regulations to hide their behavior, for example when Slick Willie wanted to hide the fact that Naval Aviator Kara Hultgreen died as a result of his misguided actions forcing unqualified women aviators into combat arena servicew without adequate training - the investigation showed it was a multitude of Pilot errors which caused her dead, but Slick had the investigation report classified after the fact, and released press propaganda claiming the cause was aircraft failure (which it was absolutely not). Anybody in possesion of the report, or anybody transferring possesion or copying the report, or merely reading the report which exposed the White House's subsequent lies, would be subject to courtmartial or treason charges, which applies even after your Military service has ended, until such time the Classified Material has been Declassified. The Pearl Harbor stuff was Classified for 50 years.

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