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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

The Left has consistently shown nothing but vitriolic hatred for anyone opposed to their views,

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*Chuckle*

Yea, the right's just been full of warm & fuzzies all this time. Very accepting group, them.

Thanks for the laugh, though.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And for all the talk by the MSM that the tea parties were nothing more than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets, they expect folks to miss the irony of their bogus charges.


Yes, Fox News did COVER the story, as it was legit news. But for folks on the Left to complain that this wasn't a truly grass roots fueled event, is ridiculous.

This after 8 yrs of dissent of the most vulgar, course and even violent sort that we've seen since the late 60's. This from the folks who organize " protest " marches which are nothing more than cleverly disguised rallies for and put on by the Socialist Party and financed in large part by BILLIONAIRE George Soros.

Hypocrisy, they name is the Left Wing!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And for all the talk by the MSM that the tea parties were nothing more than propaganda organized by large corporations and folks with BIG, deep wallets, they expect folks to miss the irony of their bogus charges.

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
But it's also my opinion that if some rich person DID finance this, it's really no different than George Soros giving millions upon millions of dollars to organizations like Moveon.org or ACORN. Same exact thing and one side should not blast the other (pointing out BOTH sides here, folks) for using the same tactics.

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Fact is, they're they same side and they're playing us.

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Originally posted by rue:
And Americans are so easy to play its scary. They think they're being anti-government? Talking about freedom? All they're doing is dancing to someone else's tune.

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Originally posted by rue:
you don't even recognize that your own logic is being reflected back at you

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not that I disagree with your point, but I felt it worth noting that you felt fit to chastise Kwiko and not Jong for literally the same words...

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

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Originally posted by rue:
you don't even recognize that your own logic is being reflected back at you

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Um, nah. No. Sorry but I'll choose not to nod to Kwickos powerful intellect. What I see are are two enablers leaning on each other for support. There are others here doing it too. If Mr. isall proffered this opinion I'd consider it, but from you rue, sorry no.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's a bit damning then, isn't it? You're freely admitting that you'll give differing levels of credence to the exact same information depending on whom in comes from.

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I think all that is very noble. I also think it's very naive.

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And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.

I saw a lot of things at yesterday's tea party. There were even some scant counter-protestors. But their efforts were such a waste, they had no message. And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.

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Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

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But now as they sense the political winds changing, we see a convenient change of heart.

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I'm not sure we need those kinds of allies. All I see them doing is shitting on the legitimacy of the genuine libertarian movement. I almost wonder if that isn't their real goal.

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The really frustrating thing is that seems a ubiquitous fact of politics. The rank and file of pretty much every "movement" consists of flag-waving morons. So it invariably reduces to an ugly game of demagoguery with unscrupulous "leaders" manipulating their respective mobs. I don't know how we get around that.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.

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you forgot the in.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Tea Party protesters are civil, bathed and decent."

Except when they are not:

"when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him"


Not exactly an advertisement for the civility and decency of the tea-baggers.

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:


And your point is not lost on me. Yes it can be percieved as naive. True. But I will say this..the same could have been said to the patriots of the 1770's prior to the war. At that time a growing minority were disgruntled, fighting as they did against the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend acts of 1767, the Tea Act of 1773, or the Intolerable acts of 1774. To resist the supreme power of the combined might of the British Empire by a meer few was indeed regarded as naive (or more often foolish). But when the frustration grew...and grew....and grew...what was once naive became menacing.

One reason I love Firefly so much are the ideals of the Independents. They bled and died for planetary sovergnity. Who can protect us from Scavengers, or harsh conditions? From Slavers or Reavers? The Alliance? NO! We must stand on our own legs! We have the right to self govern. That fiction created by Joss Whedon resonates as loudly in my ears as the truth of the American Revolution. Those were the people who proclaimed 'Give Me Liberty or Death', and meant it.

I saw a lot of things at yesterday's tea party. There were even some scant counter-protestors. But their efforts were such a waste, they had no message. And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
....and you have a problem with a beggar being tarred and feathered?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
....and you have a problem with a beggar being tarred and feathered?

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Originally posted by rue:
"WTF are you even talking about ? Because you made up a uncredited quote, and then underlined it, that dismisses the entire movement? Dude, put down the crack pipe when you post."

Uncredited ?

Now I KNOW you don't read posts -

Here's the credit:


BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37817&m=695289#695289


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I certainly do. I thought bluesun's comment was ugly, and frankly it's the kinda stuff I hear from Republicans that makes me want to steer clear. Keep in mind wulf, beggars ask for your money. If the do it politely, and I've got it to spare, I'll help out.

Of course if they wanna play the subtle intimidation game it's another matter. But I'd rather have them asking for money than voting to take it by force.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Had I been at these Tea Parties...lol. I would have rushed the White House.

But I had to work, unfortunatly. And, yes, I chose to gather another paycheck instead of charging. Take of that what you will.

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Limbaugh is accurate 99% of the time. Everyone should listen.

He's more credible than most of the msm.

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you forgot the in.

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Oh, you mean 'Everyone should listen IN ' ???

Prefix isn't what you meant, I'm sure.

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Originally posted by rue:
"And whoever drafted that DHS document referencing emerging 'right-wing extremism' should be among the first in line , right after their 'superiors'..."

Starting with BUSH, perhaps ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090416/pl_politico/21300

Earlier vet. report drew no fire

While the American Legion and conservative commentators have pounced on a recent Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism, calling it politically motivated and slanderous toward veterans, a 2008 FBI report with similar findings generated little controversy or coverage.

The 2008 report, produced while President Bush was in office and titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11,” found that although veterans don’t make up a large percentage of “white supremacist extremists,” they have taken on leadership roles in the movement.

The DHS report circulating this week dedicated just one section to “disgruntled military veterans,” where it referenced the 2008 report.

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Originally posted by rue:
Not according to a poster who was at a tea party: "And then I saw the grand absurdity of a downtown panhandler gravitate towards the mass of humanity thinking this was like a Colts game or something where he could fleece beer/drug money. What he encountered was a mass of people who had heard speeches on the subject of self-suffenciecy and when he started begging I thought the people were going to tar him."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Chicago-Tribune circa 1934

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Err. you tards do know that the Tea Parties were started by Ron Paul supporters.

The Repubs just jumped on the bandwagon.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Just think - within a mere ten years of that "recklessness", America was the richest, most powerful nation on Earth - and remained so until at least 2001.

Seems like we could use some of that kind of reckless socialism right about now!

Mike

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