The downfall of the right by SignyM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Along those lines, I JUST found an interesting article. In that article is a link to one of those many surveys which attempt to portray where people stand, relative to each other and to groups.

The article says somewhat the same as "The Authoritarians" but differs from the book in that THIS author views authoritarianism as a valid moral impulse which holds groups together. If you don't want to read the whole article- and I think you should- here are the (IMHO) essential quotes:

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Agreeing with evolutionary theorist James Q. Wilson, he concluded that any full view of the origins of human morality would have to take into account not only culture (as analyzed by anthropologists) but also evolution. He reasoned it was highly unlikely humans would care so much about morality unless moral instincts and emotions had become a part of human nature. He began to suspect that morality evolved not just to help individuals as they competed and cooperated with other individuals, but also to help groups as they competed and cooperated with other groups. Morality is not just about how we treat each other, as most liberals think," he argues. "It is also about binding groups together and supporting essential institutions."

I have a problem with his viewpoint. While human society is a large force in human evolution, it isn't the ONLY force. Humans also have to respond to the (non-human) environment... a group which engages fully in destructive group-think is a group which disappears. So from an evolutionary standpoint I think he's on the right track- but missing a big-ticket item. And in times of environmental or external stressors- such as now- groupthink may be less important than clearthink. Anyway, to continue...

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With all that in mind, Haidt identified five foundational moral impulses. As succinctly defined by Northwestern University's McAdams, they are:

• Harm/care. It is wrong to hurt people; it is good to relieve suffering.
• Fairness/reciprocity. Justice and fairness are good; people have certain rights that need to be upheld in social interactions.
• In-group loyalty. People should be true to their group and be wary of threats from the outside. Allegiance, loyalty and patriotism are virtues; betrayal is bad.
• Authority/respect. People should respect social hierarchy; social order is necessary for human life.
• Purity/sanctity. The body and certain aspects of life are sacred. Cleanliness and health, as well as their derivatives of chastity and piety, are all good. Pollution, contamination and the associated character traits of lust and greed are all bad.

www.alternet.org/story/138303/conservatives_live_in_a_different_moral_
universe_-
-_and_here%27s_why_it_matters/ (split for formatting)

So just OOC I took the moral foundations survey and came up with a profile that places me in neither the liberal nor the conservative groups, but somewhere else. I'm very high on doing no harm and fairness and being anti-authoritarian (no surprise) but also have strong pro-loyalty feelings.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting and worth passing along.

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:29 AM

America loves a winner!

Talk about disconnects w/ reality. Joe Wilson is a bald faced lier, and you paint him out to be some Saint.

Sarah Palin? She did exactly what the N.O.W. gang said we should admire in a woman, and that's take on the old boy network in the work place. And not just the boys from across the aisle, but she took on the establishment in her own party! She's a politician and not a scientist. Something Al Gore should himself be reminded about, and often.

My god, the act of projecting your own situation onto others is unequaled. Virtually everything you say w/regard to the GOP and the Right about living in a fantasy land can be better described by you simply looking in the mirror.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:35 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing. As you seem to be following in their footsteps, I'm not gonna stop you! Have at it!

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:48 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Another B.S. partisan thread started by the Queen of generalizations.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:12 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

The Republicans will likely return to power as they always do. Inevitably, one or more difficult situations arise. Inevitably, some people are dissatisfied with the way those in power handle such situations. Inevitably, these dissatisfied people choose the other party next time.

And again, and again.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:15 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing. As you seem to be following in their footsteps, I'm not gonna stop you! Have at it!

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

I hate to think of where we'd be w/ out them, to be honest. Who else was going to express ideas of freedom and remind folks what the Constitution is about, were it not for them? Certainly not the MSM. I too am being rewarded by that SYSTEM, as you put it. It's called CAPITALISM. It's called FREEDOM, and I am not a victim, unlike you.

Aren't you tired of living your life as a victim ? Stop blaming others for your shortcomings, and realize that YOU are in control of your life.

And I'm glad they'll do all they can to stamp out socialism. It's a smothering evil, and it robs people of their dignity.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:15 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Thinking about the right-wing- especially the braying asses and their followers: Kudlow, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al... it occurred to me... left-wingers don't have to pay TOO much attention to them.

Liberals love Larry Kudlow, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about. They'd like him even more if he ever allowed them to get a word in edgewise.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Anthony ?

I mean to have some say in preventing exactly that, this see-saw of incompetence and destruction has to stop before we kill ourselves with it, and I got no issue with putting the boot in to finish the job when their down, a technique I've valued ever since reading Enders Game, cause his moral outlook on it matches my own - finish the damn job.

If we'd have done that with Nixon and his goons back then, we wouldn't have had to deal with the massive social and economic carnage left over from their orgy of hate, intolerance and malice this time around, would we now ?

There's a time for forgive and forget, this ain't it...

Sicilian Vespers for the GOP, and I don't feel a whit sorry for em.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

With ya there on that Frem, Grind 'em to dust and then move on.

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Who else was going to express ideas of freedom and remind folks what the Constitution is about, were it not for them?

Yes. By stepping on the Constitution, Mr. Bush certainly reminded us of it.
The so-called "Republicans" you hold up as men of honour are gone, my friend- their time is over. Their damage done. Time for the REAL Conservatives to seize the moment next time- those that would CONSERVE our financial resources, our natural resources, those that would SHRINK government, not balloon it, those that would adhere to the Constitution and the separation of Church & State- in short, all that you despise, Au, all that you fear.
Ha ha ha ha!! NeCons are a footnote in history now, the rise of the new has engulfed you; paddle hard, poor doof.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

• Harm/care. It is wrong to hurt people; it is good to relieve suffering.
Though this is always modified by group ideals - it is OK to harm some, or ignore the suffering of some, under some circumstances, whether it is tearing their still-beating heart out or dropping a bomb on them or passing by the thirsty homeless person on the street.

• Fairness/reciprocity. Justice and fairness are good; people have certain rights that need to be upheld in social interactions.
Begs the definition of people. To the Spartans only citizens were people. To the Icelanders (that halcyon of libertarianism \ anarchism to which we are all supposed to aspire) a thrall was property who could not even defend themselves against physical attack, and definitely NOT a person with rights.

• In-group loyalty. People should be true to their group and be wary of threats from the outside. Allegiance, loyalty and patriotism are virtues; betrayal is bad.
Probably the only constant in this list.

• Authority/respect. People should respect social hierarchy; social order is necessary for human life.
I can think of several large-scale exceptions.

• Purity/sanctity. The body and certain aspects of life are sacred. Cleanliness and health, as well as their derivatives of chastity and piety, are all good. Pollution, contamination and the associated character traits of lust and greed are all bad.
This is awfully Roman\ Christian of him. Cleanliness, chastity and piety aren't the end all and be all across humanity he thinks they are. People DO conform to socially determined body-requirements, though, such as tattooing, painting, dressing, scarification etc; to sexual mores and to group religions.

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In general, I would be far more inclined to go with the authoritarian leader\ authoritarian follower \non-authoritarian division because it's been well-studied, is highly reproducible, and in simulations, predicts actual differences in behavior.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:48 PM

HKCAVALIER

Jesus, what the hell? I'm sorry, I just spent the last hour trying to understand this guy's stuff and I need to vent. And I mean VENT!

Signy, sorry but that website looks like a total brain wank. It's just so bizarre to me when academics in this day and age look out at all the data they've laboriously compiled and come up with "The 5 Fundamental Moral Impulses." WTF? Hello, Thomas Aquinas called, he wants his angels and pin back! My moral impulses don't even show up on his chart and every one of the ones he counts could use a chapter's worth of definition.

"Purity" and "Loyalty" and "Fairness?" The only one I got any feeling for what the hell he's talking about, REALLY, is "Harm."

Okay, yeah, harm, that's an issue.

And I have some very strong feelings about respecting authority, but I don't mean what he means by "authority," and, Jesus H. Christ, how we define "respect" is worth a book by itself.

So, I take his "foundationals" quiz, and I get high scores in "Harm" and everything else is a one or two with "fairness" closest to zero (might have been a zero if the questions were more relevant to my understanding--kept having to answer with "slightly's" 'cause I couldn't answer the questions conclusively 'cause they were nearly meaningless).

Then I get to the second quiz and I right away reach the question "How many civilian deaths would be morally acceptable" and it wants a

number! WHO THE

THINKS LIKE THIS??? "Oh, well, I could definitely go with 6, 6 civilian casualties for every one terr'st, but if I see 7 dead, that's it, I'm comin' out there to clean house!" The whole thing is a mental masturbatory non-event.

That, or it's a sickness. The whole project is skewed toward pigeonholing others, toward telling other people what they should and shouldn't do, toward thinking a person has any moral authority to decide how many people it's okay to kill on the other side of the world based on guesswork. That quiz wanted me to base my moral decisions solely on the 100 words or so it gave me at the top of the page.

I'm sorry, moral decisions cannot be made based on 100 words!

And yet untold multitudes of Internet habituées just went ahead and answered the question, like they had THE RIGHT. Yeah, guess I'm tending toward sickness now that I think of it, not non-event.

Anyway, anyway, as I said, I just hadda vent. I think this guy's notion of morality is disgusting and immoral and my loyalty to you all required immediate action in the hopes of preventing any further harm. It's only fair.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:52 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing.

Erm. Sarah Palin's son is in Iraq. Pretty good chance of being sacrificed there.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA

*stands behind HKC with a pair of pom-poms cheering*

Mostly cause I happen to be too drunk to do much more than wholeheartedly approve his arguments.

Speakin of which, some day I *would* like to buy you a round, alcoholic or not, dude.

-F

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:29 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing.

Erm. Sarah Palin's son is in Iraq. Pretty good chance of being sacrificed there.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Doesn't McCain have 2 sons who also served/ are serving in Iraq or Afghanistan ?

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Doesn't McCain have 2 sons who also served/ are serving in Iraq or Afghanistan ?

You mean the "draft-dodging doughy blowhard" who spent several years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, crippling him for life?

Per Snopes:
Doug is a Navy pilot (like his dad), now retired.
Jack attends the Naval Academy.
Jimmy is a Marine and has been stationed in Iraq.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:28 AM

America loves a winner!

Chickenhawks.

A term that means 'hawks that eat chickens'. Funny how the Left co-opted the meaning and completely inverted it. But it's how they view life, upside down, so it makes perfect sense.

To them.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing.

Rappy's BIGGEST right-wing hero (and I mean that in ranking not in size, altho it works both ways) is hillbilly heroin addicted viagra-popping doughboy Rush Limbaugh. His next biggest hero is Bush, and the one after that is Cheney. Add in Hannity and Beck, and you've got a perfect royal flush of know-nothings.

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:15 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny how the Left co-opted the meaning and completely inverted it.

The Left has it in for you guys, and yer goin' down, ha ha! Get ready for sweeping change, comrade.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:17 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

I'm sorry, moral decisions cannot be made based on 100 words!

Sure it can HK, did you already forget the past Administration?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:25 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing.

Erm. Sarah Palin's son is in Iraq. Pretty good chance of being sacrificed there.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Doesn't McCain have 2 sons who also served/ are serving in Iraq or Afghanistan ?

And doesn't Biden have at least one son over there?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:28 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

I'm sorry, moral decisions cannot be made based on 100 words!

Sure it can HK, did you already forget the past Administration?

The laughing Chrisisall

Apparently the Bush Admin could make moral decisions based on a line from "Marathon Man": "Is it safe?" They only needed three words, not a hundred!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:58 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy's BIGGEST right-wing hero (and I mean that in ranking not in size, altho it works both ways) is hillbilly heroin addicted viagra-popping doughboy Rush Limbaugh. His next biggest hero is Bush, and the one after that is Cheney. Add in Hannity and Beck, and you've got a perfect royal flush of know-nothings.

There you go again, pretending to talk for me,instead of ASKING me a very simple and direct question. Might be that's why you're so hung up on people talking for themselves, because folks, like YOU, will try to intentionally distort and falsely paint what others think.

Whether Rush is still an addict or not, is his business. He's not high while on air, at least. If he's poppin' Viagra, as many his age are want to do, then good for Rush. Mean's he's gettin' some. Rush is good radio. I listen to him on occasion. I also like Neal Boortz and Dennis Miller, when I can find him.

Bush, much like his father before him, isn't all that great a conservative. He's no Reagan, not by a long shot. I like Newt a good bit, but he does some ridiculous stunts, like sitting on a couch w/ M. Pelosi and playing buddy buddy w/ the Enviro-whacko crowd. Still, I proudly voted for him in Congress, and would gladly do so again, for President.

I'm also impressed w/ Victor Davis Hanson, as well as Mark Steyn as conservatives. Also can't forget Michelle Malkin and Laura Ingraham. Smart and sexy is a win / win, in my book.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:03 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And doesn't Biden have at least one son over there?

And your point is?

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And doesn't Biden have at least one son over there?

And your point is?

That having a son in Iraq has never stopped those on the right from savaging someone they disagree with; why should the rules be different for those on the left?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:30 AM

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I like Newt a good bit, but he does some ridiculous stunts, like sitting on a couch w/ M. Pelosi and playing buddy buddy w/ the Enviro-whacko crowd. Still, I proudly voted for him in Congress, and would gladly do so again, for President.

So you're saying that you can support someone and vote for them WITHOUT agreeing 100% with everything they do, and WITHOUT worshipping them, calling them "The One", "The Messiah" or any of that rot, eh?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:45 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That having a son in Iraq has never stopped those on the right from savaging someone they disagree with; why should the rules be different for those on the left?

Walk the higher path, don't sink to the level of your opponent, etc, etc.
Sound familiar?

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:49 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And doesn't Biden have at least one son over there?

And your point is?

That having a son in Iraq has never stopped those on the right from savaging someone they disagree with; why should the rules be different for those on the left?

Mike

It's the baseless name calling, not the mere disagreement.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:49 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's the baseless name calling, not the mere disagreement.

Yeah, but we've given up waiting for you to give up doing that long ago.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:21 PM

RIPWASH

Citizen! Where have you been? You all but disappeared there for a bit....

No offense Sig, but you're doing here what I think (though I could be wrong) you accuse Rap of doing. Just posting something partisan to get a reaction.

Both sides see the downfall of the other side eminent (ooh, a couple possible spellings for that one, Kwicko

). So crowing about it now is a bit premature, dontchathink? There will, indeed, be a teeter-totter of power, back and forth, for quite some time to come until One side gets too big for it's britches and decides to get off when it's on the bottom. The only problem with that is the inevitable downfall and crash of the other side once that happens.

Hee hee. Like what I did there? I thought that up all on my lonesome.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Whether Rush is still an addict or not, is his business."

Except, he made it HIS bidness if other people were:

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be
convicted and they ought to be sent up."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/gophotwrush.html

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use, too many whites are getting away with drug sales, too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/gophotwrush.html

"It's kind of like sentencing. A lot of people say that we have a heavy sentence for this crime and a light sentence for another crime, and what we ought to do is reduce the heavy sentence so it's more in line with the other. Wrong. In most cases we ought to increase the light sentence and make it compatible with the heavy sentence, and be serious about punishment because we are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/gophotwrush.html

"There’s nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Mr. Limbaugh declared on his radio show on October 5th, 1995.***

These tough sentencing laws were instituted for a reason. The American people, including liberals, demanded them. Don't you remember the crack cocaine epidemic? Crack babies and out-of-control murder rates? Liberal judges giving the bad guys slaps on the wrist? Finally we got tough, and the crime rate has been falling ever since, so what's wrong?

--RushLimbaugh.com (8/18/03)

In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that "you can't tell people what to do with their bodies" and "you can't legislate morality." First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality!

--RushLimbaugh.com (6/27/03)

When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks.

--Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95)

I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:41 PM

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Both sides see the downfall of the other side eminent (ooh, a couple possible spellings for that one, Kwicko ).

And I think the one you're looking for is "imminent". That is, if you also believed that Iraq was an "imminent threat".

Unless you meant that it was standing out, jutting out, or conspicuous. That would be "eminent". The Pope is eminent. His death is imminent.

If you meant certain or impending, hanging over one's head threateningly, then "imminent" is your word.

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...One side gets too big for it's britches and decides to get off when it's on the bottom.

Okay, is it just me, or is that statement just fraught with Freudian imagery? Too big for its britches, so it decides to "get off" when it's on bottom?

Made me snicker a bit, it did!

Well played. Or plaid, if you're a Tartan.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:16 PM

America loves a winner!

So, Rush commenting on drugs makes it his business ? How do you figure ?

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:26 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Rush commenting on PEOPLE using drugs is him making it his business.

Understand he is not commenting on 'drugs' - describing their mode of action, physical form, purity and melting point, solubilities.

He is talking about PEOPLE.

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Silence is consent.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:08 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It's the baseless name calling

Hey! Rush earned the names doughboy, hillbilly heroin addict, viagara-popping, draft-dodging know nothing! Shoot, man- those are his claims to fame!! Don't take that away from him!

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:54 PM

America loves a winner!

Wooo....he's talking about PEOPLE

So fucking what ? He can't pass any laws, he can't sentence anyone. He has no POWER to do anything. Why's it such an issue w/ you ?

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Monday, April 27, 2009 2:00 AM

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Wooo....he's talking about PEOPLE

So fucking what ? He can't pass any laws, he can't sentence anyone. He has no POWER to do anything. Why's it such an issue w/ you ?

He may have "no POWER", but he's got influence, especially over people like YOU. Influence is its own kind of power.

And ya know, President Obama can't pass any laws or sentence anyone either, so what's your problem with HIM?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 3:04 AM

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many his age are want to do

My inner Grammar Nazi is appalled by this AU, the word you were looking to use was "wont."
Biped.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:09 AM

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How afraid some people are of Rush Limbaugh speaks volumes. Exactly how do some people think the influence of the Right is diminishing while they are so preoccupied with the voice of single individual? Seems to be that if someone actually did believe that the right had no or diminishing influence then they certainly wouldn't care about some talk show host they don't listen to anyway. Yet, they do.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:17 AM

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Seems to be that if someone actually did believe that the right had no or diminishing influence then they certainly wouldn't care about some talk show host they don't listen to anyway. Yet, they do.

Nah, it's just funny to twist the socialist knife into AU by way of that dirtbag is all.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:31 AM

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Nah, it's just funny to twist the socialist knife into AU by way of that dirtbag is all.

Case in point:

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Why's it such an issue w/ you ?

It's because of his baseless name-calling.

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:44 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Seems to be that if someone actually did believe that the right had no or diminishing influence then they certainly wouldn't care about some talk show host they don't listen to anyway. Yet, they do.

Nah, it's just funny to twist the socialist knife into AU by way of that dirtbag is all.

The laughing Chrisisall

Yup, and those on the right seem all too quick to forget that the knife cuts both ways. Those who INSIST that they care not one whit what "the lefty libs" think sure do spend an inordinate amount of time trying to change the minds of those same liberals, or at the very least trying to point out how very wrong they think those liberals are.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:56 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wooo....he's talking about PEOPLE

So fucking what ? He can't pass any laws, he can't sentence anyone. He has no POWER to do anything. Why's it such an issue w/ you ?

He may have "no POWER", but he's got influence, especially over people like YOU. Influence is its own kind of power.

And ya know, President Obama can't pass any laws or sentence anyone either, so what's your problem with HIM?

Mike

Yeah, Rush has LOTS of influence over folks like me. That's why I happen to think drugs should be decriminalized, at the very least. Rush may be against drug abuse, and use drugs. I'm for legalization, and don't even use them. Go figure.

Obama can SIGN legislation into law, which is what is so dangerous, and why every President should be watched.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 5:00 AM

America loves a winner!

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many his age are want to do
My inner Grammar Nazi is appalled by this AU, the word you were looking to use was "wont."
Biped.

The laughing Chrisisall

Unt uh, because they WANT to do it!

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Monday, April 27, 2009 5:24 AM

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Unt uh, because they WANT to do it!

I'm gonna need a ruling on that.
Where's Hero?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, April 27, 2009 6:13 AM

America loves a winner!

You need to refer to HERO whether or not guys take Viagra want to take it?

You DO understand what Viagra is used for, yes?

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Monday, April 27, 2009 6:59 AM

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You need to refer to HERO whether or not guys take Viagra want to take it?

You DO understand what Viagra is used for, yes?

I think Chris is relying on our resident liar - er, I mean "LAWYER" - for a clarification on the intent of the user. Is he wont to use Viagra just for kicks, or does he want to use it because he NEEDS it?

We have to know the intent to see if there was a crime.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 8:25 AM