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Airbus and the French govt wisely refuse to blame a customer that paid them $200-million cash, and will pay them billions more. What do they care whos at fault, so long as they get paid? Even the official report says they have no idea which pilot is at fault. That's the only part of the story not "true" (Airbus does build the world's largest double-decker plane, but that was the single decker). The CPU faked out the pilots, all of whom were very experienced. The engineers faked out the pilots with counterintuitive programming for the robot drone computer, that no other aircraft uses.

New jets can literally takeoff, fly to the destination and land themselves, without any human input. Next step is removal of all human pilots, just like 50% of all freight trains already do.

...So the stress of flying an airliner over the ocean at night without engines for 30 minutes, without electricity, without instruments, windsheild fogged up, was no need to panic. That's a normal glide ratio for most airliners at 40,000 feet to sea level. What's not normal is a jet not losing hydraulics to operate the flight controls, though he had no brakes and had to literally grind the flaming landing gear into dust to keep from rolling off a cliff into the ocean.

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This is so extreme that racers AND JOURNALISTS must sign non-disclosure agreements as condition of employment at racetracks. So when a tire fails or an engine malfunctions, racers are not allowed to speak that fact, and must take the blame on themselves.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Airbus crash was in 2007. The redacted reports are just now leaking out.

What's scary for pilots is the French govt isn't explaining exactly what went wrong.

A large percentage of plane crashes are coverups for liability or murder. Dozens of airline crashes were murders without investigations, carried out by govt operatives.

This Airbus crash should have cost the careers of many folks investigating themselves. Hence the coverup. Will they actually fix the software and training problems, or will it happen again?

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
" BTW, you'll be hearing a lot about an encounter with wake turbulence. That is a red herring. Wake turbulence can make it difficult - maybe even impossible to control the airplane - but no amount of wake turbulence can remove the vertical tail at such low flight speeds unless there is a pre-existing structural fault.

" What is flutter? This morning, I got an email from a friend who is the Director of Structural Engineering of a major American aircraft maker. He described a chilling picture: "Flutter modes often have an explosively quick onset, rising from nothing to catastrophic in the blink of an eye. Furthermore, the shaking can happen so fast that, despite the large (huge) deflections involved, an observer on the ground might not see it. It's just a blur. The people in the back of the airplane would have been shaken senseless and worse as the seats tore loose and everything was homogenized back there; but it was all over a few seconds later."

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

...These statements seem pretty obvious to me.

Most wake turbulence comes from vortex shedding from the end of the wings and is only dangerous to small aircraft. Even with small aircraft it won't do structural damage unless you count the impact with the ground when the small plane flips over.

I believe Flutter is a type of Simple Harmonic Motion and therefore capable of inducing resonance at a given frequency for a material. You could go from a low frequency shake to total destruction in seconds.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
the results may be catastrophic...Often , a loud bang is heard as a surface departs the aircraft...

And that's never fun...

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the results may be catastrophic...Often , a loud bang is heard as a surface departs the aircraft...

And that's never fun...

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Especially if it's your Primary Buffer Panel.

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Airbus crash was in 2007. The redacted reports are just now leaking out.

What's scary for pilots is the French govt isn't explaining exactly what went wrong.

A large percentage of plane crashes are coverups for liability or murder. Dozens of airline crashes were murders without investigations, carried out by govt operatives.

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I'm already hating myself before I even ask, but what exactly was the cover up? I knew about this over a year and a half ago. A very large plane crashed through a wall.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_23

Soon aircraft will be too complicated for human pilots, and only robots will be allowed to fly.

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
FF, I knew I had left something out. You touched on the B737. A great airplane. Not to many improvements. Just TCAS, CFM engines, and glass cockpits. There is a problem with the new generation aircraft from the 300 series on is metal fatique. The older 737s with the JT-8 engines with clam shell thrust reversers were built like tanks. Still in use. Good quality maintenance and corrosion control extended these aircraft into the 21st century. The newest 737s being a global economy have metal from around the world. America the leader in metalurgy has higher standards of quality. The airplanes are suffering cracks around the fwd and aft pressure bulkheads along with frames at the overhead bin installation. There are repairs for this and of course reskinning but will these jets last as long as there predisecors. I think the best commercial jet every built was the Lockheed Tristar L-1011 hands down. Airport night mares, you pay for this first your taxes then parking then the ticket and one time fees for everything. Sporting event prices for gum and water. Microwaved munchies and $10 beer to wait for something you paid in advance. Not to mention strippen down in front of strangers. Then people with phobias who can't deal with not being in control of weather, delays, lost tickets or luggage, and hey the fat drunk who drools on you cross country. Not to mention the bus trash lurking around. Its just great, hancuffs for the assholes please. Lator Gator.

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