Ten Reasons Gay Marriage Is Wrong by CrevanReaver

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Hats off to you!

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:49 AM

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OMG!

That's priceless!!!

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:00 AM

JONGSSTRAW

A real sweet list there for sure. Send it to Barack Obama because he said many times he opposes gay marriage. Also send it to Bill Clinton because he signed the Defense of Marriage Act when he was in office. Hard to believe that such committed "liberals" would be against such a no-big-deal, slam-dunk issue.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:05 AM

FREELANCERTEX

I sense a certain satiricalness..
great list. did you come up with that or did you find it somewheres? 5 is choice.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:24 AM

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OMG ! Way too funny !

Now I gotta' get to my email, here ...

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:47 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:

5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

* LOL, Falls off chair, gets concussion, sues CrevanReaver*

That's so gorram funny.
Take that, Fundamentalist fools!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:50 AM

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I second that

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 AM

ASMELECH

LOL... i was going to come i here and voice my displeasure at the thread title... until i started reading. 10/10.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:15 AM

The only problem with gay marriage is that societies that allow gay marriage tend to start devaluing marriage all together. The marriage rate overall goes down and marriage becomes more about economics than anything else. This trend probably already existed pre gay marriage, but because gays tend to be even more promiscuous than heteros it does dilute the meaning of marriage even further. Even though I do favor gay marriage, I do believe it will change our society for the worse.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:43 AM

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"... because gays tend to be even more promiscuous than heteros ..." Presuming that is before marriage, as gay marriage is a recent and rare option.
While unmarried gay men are statistically more likely to have more sex partners than unmarried straight men, unmarried lesbians are statistically more likey to have FEWER sex partners than unmarried straight women.

Did you know ... nearly 40% of all children born in the US are born outside of marriage ? That of those who do get married, 40% will get divorced ? That each remarriage after divorce is more likely to end in another divorce ? That roughly 10% of all people in the US will never be married ?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:47 AM

ECGORDON

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
...but because gays tend to be even more promiscuous than heteros

You've got to be f***ing kidding me, man. Please provide any statistics to back that up.

The divorce rate has been skyrocketing for nearly a century, and you know a great deal of that is because of infidelity.

Why not say that man is essentially a non-monogamous species instead of slandering one particular sector?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
...but because gays tend to be even more promiscuous than heteros

You've got to be f***ing kidding me, man. Please provide any statistics to back that up.

The divorce rate has been skyrocketing for nearly a century, and you know a great deal of that is because of infidelity.

Why not say that man is essentially a non-monogamous species instead of slandering one particular sector?

Apparently you don't know any gay males. I don't really feel the need to prove what studies have shown for years. Why don't you do some research on your own. You might want to start by wandering into your local Gay bar.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:03 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
The only problem with gay marriage is that societies that allow gay marriage tend to start devaluing marriage all together.

Most marriages are & always have been jokes. They're like Mustangs; if they last over 10 years, it's a miracle. Gays can do no harm here.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:15 PM

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The only problem with gay marriage is that societies that allow gay marriage tend to start devaluing marriage all together.

Statistically speaking, haven't straights already done a bang-up job of devaluing marriage?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I call bullshit, Kirk.

Hell, a good bit of my little legion of doom is part of the GBLT community, seeing as many of them hold different religious or political beliefs and feel the current status quo has completely failed them in every way that really matters.

Indeed, being part of the PinkPistols initiative (and about a quarter of the reason they changed their mission statement to add "or polyamorous persons" to that mission statement) and teaching a damn lotta folk of various preferences the difference between carrying a weapon and wielding one - I've found that as a rule they're MORE circumspect and restrained than straight folk, cause of all the potential trouble which can come of not being so, if you discount the religious angle they are in fact quite a conservative bunch, oddly enough.

Sure, the flaky types get all the media attention, doesn't mean they're the majority any more than the flaky religious types represent all believers, does it now ?

And most folk don't "know" anyways - I'd bet hard currency at least one person you work with is GBLT or Poly, and you'd never even notice unless they told ya, which, if they thought you'd react badly, they wouldn't.

No offense, but expressing an obviously clueless opinion based on a fallacy of perception doesn't exactly endear those folk to ya, Kirk.

Which is kinda sad, because at least up here, they're pretty damn staunch allies to have when it comes to the right to bear arms, despite whatever other disagreements traditional conservatives might have with em.
http://www.pinkpistols.org/

EDIT: Case in point, Big Al, out of Lansing, is a dude SO Conservative we don't get along at all, his blog might give you some idea.
http://mygunblog.blogspot.com/
This is by and large, NOT a liberal type of dude.

-Frem

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:56 PM

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"... which, if they thought you'd react badly ..."

I'm guessing that most already have that figured out about Kirk.

Seriously Kirk - do you know any gays or lesbians ? Any that have told you they are, that is (not people about whom there is 'speculation' as that is often wrong) ? B/c if not, then there is a reason you don't know any ... and it's not b/c they aren't there !

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I call bullshit, Kirk.

No offense, but expressing an obviously clueless opinion based on a fallacy of perception doesn't exactly endear those folk to ya, Kirk.

What specifically have I said that is untrue. I could be all politically correct about the subject and pretend that Gay males are not promiscuous but that doesn't change the facts. Are you saying that will all change when they can marry? I have had a few Gay friends and they have no problem with acknoleging the simple fact that Gay males are more promiscuous, why is it so important to dismiss it other than for PC purposes. I'm having a problem figuring out exactly what everyone here is disputing, so I guess you're correct about me being "clueless".

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I might be having a change of thought on this gay marriage thing.

America was founded on doing things different from " the old world ". Sure, we struggled w/ that whole slavery thing, but that wasn't OUR fault. The Brits started it. Blame them. We got over that part of our growing process.

For those who think that divorce cheapens marriage, will you still be saying that when gays start getting divorced ? ( I'm pretty sure that's already happened. ) Will that mean gay marriage will really REALLY cheapen marriage ?

Ok, so that's kinda a mark in the 'no' column. Forget I said that.

I still think 'bridal' showers are gonna be a whole lot weirder though. And for the bachelor parties ? I don't wanna be on the same planet for any of those!

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:36 PM

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And for the bachelor parties? I don't wanna be on the same planet for any of those!

You're looking at it all wrong, Rap - what if it's a bachelorette party for a hot lesbian couple? You wanna be in the middle of that, right?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Seriously Kirk - do you know any gays or lesbians ?

When you asked this, it reminded me of the first Gay friend I made when I was living in KC back in the day. I desided to Goggle his name because he was a fairly well known openly gay entertainer before it was as common as today. He used his stage name in real life so I always knew him as Tommy http://www.pitch.com/2005-12-01/news/killer-queen/ . He showed me his portfolio/scrapbook one time including photos of him with Truman Capote. So the answer to your question is yes, I had Gay friends before many here were born and before it was socially acceptable in most circles. I have also known some very strange lesbians, but that's another story.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:00 PM

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:05 PM

AURAPTOR

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Kwicko wrote:
Thursday, April 30, 2009 13:36

You're looking at it all wrong, Rap - what if it's a bachelorette party for a hot lesbian couple? You wanna be in the middle of that, right?

It's never the hot lesbian couple. Ever.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:09 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Gay males are more promiscuous

Maybe the ones who came out are? But the ones who're quieter aren't?

Was at a county office once at a time when they were doing anonymous AIDS testing... this was before it became a routine doctor's-visit test and well before there was any hope of treatment. The throng of gays there was unbelievable. And even in THOSE circumstances.. getting tested for an untreatable deadly disease... they were checking out each other's butts!

EEEWWWWWW!!!!!!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:10 PM

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I did want to add though, that my original statement is true - while unmarried gay males have more sex partners on average than unmarried straight males, unmarried lesbians have fewer than than straight females.

If we use promiscuity as the measure - only lesbians should be allowed to marry, as they are less promiscuous than anyone.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:21 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno, some of the nicest women I've ever known were lesbians. Prolly has to do with the fact that they didn't play a feminine role, which is somewhat dependent and manipulative. Don't know how typical they were tho. OTOH I know one guy and if there's a case of being "made" gay, he's it. Due to constant sexual and psychological torment from his mom, the dude is an unhappy, unloved homosexual. He feels so unlovable and so desperately needy he'll follow any guy who shows just a smidgen of politeness. Pretty sad to watch.

What about you? Known any gays or lesbians? Did you find any positive (or negative) behaviors that you could attribute to orientation?

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:56 PM

RIPWASH

The captain and first mate of my crew over on Puzzle Pirates are lesbians and they're lovely people.

I've known several gay man, but not on a deeper level other than acquaintances.

I was actually asked out by a gay hairdresser when getting ready for a play. I was talking about my girlfriend and he asked me out . . . like several times! He wouldn't take the hint! SHEESH!! One of the more creepy moments of my life.

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Mal: "Not so much"
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Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:06 PM

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A classmate of a sibling, someone who I'd known for years during school, told me many years later she was lesbian. I never would have known otherwise. She was sometimes rather sad about the prospect of finding love, but it's tough enough for straight people with lots more choices. Since finding love was important to her, I imagine she was sad for a legitimate reason. Other than that, as I remember her from school, she was adventuresome, proactive, and interesting. Through her I met several other lesbians and was taken around to the nightclub scene. It was interesting, but not my thing - I don't like nightclubs, in general. It was all pretty lighthearted and tame - nothing like the local bath house I was told about.

I also met a number of lesbians in college, but didn't have much to do with them outside of class. So aside from their public personas - which were refreshingly independent - I have not much to say about them.

I know TWO men who I believe were made gay (or at least bi) by sexually and psychologically abusive mothers. I've met other gay men whose history I don't know. Some were very effeminate, some overly macho to my mind, some just ordinary guys who seemed like anyone else trying to get through life.

Of the gays and lesbians I've met, overall the lesbians seem to have it more together, emotionally speaking.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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Rip

Heh heh.... you said "deeper level " when talking about "knowing" a gay man.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:16 PM

Hell, I'm the only straight man at my place of work. And I'm the FIRST straight man they hired. For some reason, they decided they needed a MAN to run the warehouse, shipping, and receiving. They didn't - my wife does the same job at a different company - but I wasn't going to tell them that when they offered me the job! I apparently replaced a lesbian couple who were constantly fighting and bringing their personal business into the workplace, and it just wasn't working out well at all.

The only other male that works there is gay. We get along quite well - we all do, really - but we two guys stick together against what he's dubbed "The Estrogen Cartel". :)

We talk, we gossip, we watch a lot of the same shows - I loaned him Firefly and Serenity, both of which he loved. Politically, he's more conservative than I am about some things, and more liberal about others. Mostly, though, he's just a very fun guy to talk to and work with.

Mike

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:49 PM

RIPWASH

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rip

Heh heh.... you said "deeper level " when talking about "knowing" a gay man.

Ugh . . . . .
*shudder*

That's not right, dude.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA

i.e. - they're JUST LIKE US.

Folk, as varied, different, screwed up and gettin by, as anyone else.

Course, that gives a new spin to the old turn of phrase "queer as folk" now, doesn't it ?

-F

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:21 PM

HKCAVALIER

Just a thought for those who perceive gay men to be so very much more promiscuous than straights: Imagine, if you can, a world where heterosexual men were FORBIDDEN to marry. Don'tcha think they might be pretty damn promiscuous, under the circumstances? Not having the POSSIBILITY of marriage to look forward to, to plan for, well, they might just--oh, I don't know--date a whole lotta people??? Could it possibly be the lack of marriage rights, fueling the promiscuity?

(Who the heck talks about "promiscuity" anyway? What is this, 9th grade health class?)

HKCavalier

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:35 PM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.

I've been to San Francisco dozens of times. Ain't affected me none.

*snort*

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:19 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by rue:
men who I believe were made gay (or at least bi) by sexually and psychologically abusive mothers.

I'm dating a man with one of those mothers. He has no interest in other men. Though he also doesn't seem absolutely freaked by the idea, as many men seem to be. He often jokes about his gag reflex and other things that would make him a "lousy homosexual" but the main thing that would make him a lousy homosexual is that he isn't attracted to men. No amount of abuse will ever change that, the inclination has to exist at the very least, and I'm sorry but it's kind of offensive to me when the two things are linked. I've had too many people ask me what 'abuse' I suffered to 'make me' bisexual, when really the only thing that makes me bisexual is that the people I happen to be sexually attracted to have been both men and women, and that's all.

Before anyone asks, my orientation has not led to a vast array of sex partners, or group sex, or anything else that so many people seem to think bisexuals just 'must' be getting up to. Some people do those things, some don't, and their orientation doesn't really seem to have an impact on those choices. Promiscuous? Hell, I've only had any kind of 'relations' with four people. Average that out from the time I hit sexual maturity to me turning twenty-four and that's... well, a lot of long dry spells, in reality, and two-ish years per each person, mathematically.
I'm really, really sick of being judged by my orientation, when all I want to find is someone I can love and cuddle for the rest of my life. The fact that 'someone' could be either a man or a woman and probably make me happy shouldn't be some big, screaming deal.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 2:01 AM

GEEZER

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Darn!

I was kind'a hoping that this would be an actual list by a gay marriage opponent so I could finally see what possible reasons they could have for being against gay marriage besides "Well, they're GAY."

Funny stuff, though.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, May 1, 2009 2:04 AM

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The fact that 'someone' could be either a man or a woman and probably make me happy shouldn't be some big, screaming deal.

Actually, if you're doing it right... it probably SHOULD be a big screaming deal!

And yeah, I'm not sure you can be "made" gay. You can be "encouraged", maybe. MAYBE.

I just don't care who's sleeping with whom, or who's marrying whom. If anyone can find anyone else in this world who they love and who makes them happy, more power to 'em.

Mike

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Friday, May 1, 2009 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Darn!

I was kind'a hoping that this would be an actual list by a gay marriage opponent so I could finally see what possible reasons they could have for being against gay marriage besides "Well, they're GAY."

Funny stuff, though.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

I'm with ya on that one, Geez.

Mike

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Friday, May 1, 2009 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Kwicko wrote:
Thursday, April 30, 2009 13:36

You're looking at it all wrong, Rap - what if it's a bachelorette party for a hot lesbian couple? You wanna be in the middle of that, right?

It's never the hot lesbian couple. Ever.

I think you might have got the wrong Thread AURaptor, I think you were looking for Chris's "fact" verses "truth" Thread.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 4:52 AM

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"... it's kind of offensive to me when the two things are linked ..."

I don't think all men gay men were 'made' that way by their mothers. I have met many gay men who I figured were born that way. The link - between gay-ness and sadistic sexual abuse by the mother - was made by those two men themselves. What can I say ? I figure they're the ones who would know.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 5:00 AM

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Same here. The guy I spoke with said just as much. MAYBE he was just rationalizing, but that's what he said. In fact, one of my lesbian friends said the same thing, only in her case it was abuse by a stepfather. It's often not nature VERSUS nurture but a combination of both, the exact balance is different in different people.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Friday, May 1, 2009 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
if you're doing it right... it probably SHOULD be a big screaming deal!

LOL!! Well yeah, but just to us

(...and possibly the neighbors...)

I think in the case of abused people "going gay" there's a bisexual tendency in the first place. Having that tendency gives them the option to turn away from whatever sex they feel wronged by. Had I been abused in such a way, it's very likely I would be skittish around men, and my natural attraction to women would have given me the option to not work through that skittishness in order to have a romantic life, causing me to identify as lesbian. That's the only way I could see it 'making' someone gay. But if someone truly has no such attraction, nothing will 'make' them. You can't make yourself sexually attracted to someone you're not attracted to, you can't chose who you love. If you could chose who you loved, the world might be a simpler place.
Most truly straight people, when faced with the question "Could you just start dating and sleeping with your own gender one day?" will stop arguing or insisting that it's a 'lifestyle choice' and start thinking that maybe it is just chemical reactions, the same as their relationships are. It makes some of them think about whether they have any attraction to their own sex, and whether that could be an option for them. It's very possible that victims of molestation examine all their options at an early stage and without such a question being posed, because not to do so could cause them great pain in their romantic and sexual life. I think that's why my guy doesn't get totally horrified at the idea of being with men, he's probably thought about it at some point in his life, but he does lack the inclination. I just don't like statements that 'abuse makes you gay' because it leads the unthinking masses down the path of believing that 1) every GLBT person is that way because of abuse and 2) that's proof it's an unnatural state of being. These things need to be examined beyond the surface, and FAR too many people are unwilling to do that, so I simply don't like giving them an essentially false surface to argue upon.
Hope that made some kind of sense.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 8:12 AM

CHRISISALL

Thanks, P.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 8:23 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
A real sweet list there for sure. Send it to Barack Obama because he said many times he opposes gay marriage. Also send it to Bill Clinton because he signed the Defense of Marriage Act when he was in office. Hard to believe that such committed "liberals" would be against such a no-big-deal, slam-dunk issue.

No one is perfect.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 8:42 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I was kind'a hoping that this would be an actual list by a gay marriage opponent so I could finally see what possible reasons they could have for being against gay marriage besides "Well, they're GAY."

Google up Orson Scott Card's essay on how gay marriage will destroy the world. Unless, of course, you want to be able to read any of his books ever again without a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 9:39 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh.

How can someone who seems so perceptive otherwise have such a big blind spot? I mean, hasn't he read "Speaker for the Dead"?

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Friday, May 1, 2009 10:50 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

Here is a link to what I think you are talking about. Why would he write such an irrational, inaccurate piece ? It's hard for me to fathom ... unless he meant it to be an easy target ?

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Friday, May 1, 2009 1:20 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

Here is a link to what I think you are talking about. Why would he write such an irrational, inaccurate piece ? It's hard for me to fathom ... unless he meant it to be an easy target ?

I think he makes an excellent point about how the fight over Gay marriage is more about changing the meaning of words than anything else. If anyone now days feels slighted by the narrow definition of a word then we must change the meaning of the word or not use it to avoid harming their fragile sensibilities. It's just more irrational political correctness. Maybe we should change the meaning of heterosexual so nobody will feel left out.

That's one of the reasons I believe the term "Marriage" should be totally removed from laws regarding partnership between same sex or traditional couples. Let's give everyone equal rights without pretending that the bond between two of opposite sex is marriage. If they want to invent a new word that describes gay union, that's fine, but let's not change the meaning of existing words just for silly political correctness.

Once again I don't understand exactly what anyone could see wrong with this essay. There's nothing anti-gay about it in my opinion. Would someone please point out what I'm missing.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 1:37 PM