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Former Firefly courier shuttle Atlantis launches into orbit safely

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Monday, May 11, 2009 8:42 AM

CELLARDOOR


Just got through watching this afternoon's shuttle launch via NASA TV (alas, I still didn't make it to the actual launch. I wonder if I can count live web viewing as fulfillment of that item on my bucket list? Not many launches remain to fulfill the list item...)

Most people here probably know better than I that Atlantis (mission STS-117) was the shuttle that carried the Firefly DVDs (and Browncoat astronaut Steven Swanson) into space 2 years ago. Anyway, Atlantis launched safely under peak weather conditions! This mission, STS-125 is the last servicing mission to the Hubble telescope, and for interested parties, here's a fairly thorough (and perhaps slightly melodramatic) article explaining the mission with pretty shiny diagrams. Of course, the article makes no mention of Firefly, but it's still cool for those who are inclined to be interested "in the black."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1180135/Nasa-launches-d
angerous-shuttle-mission-fix-Hubble-telescope.html


Man, I wish I could go into space...I don't have $10 million or so discretionary spending money though. :P Think we'll get to a place where space tourism is possible? It's still fun to dream!

Oh, if you want to watch any NASA stuff live in the future, not sure if they'll be televising the work on Hubble this Wednesday or not, here's the link: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html I recommend going to Other Viewing Options and selecting Windows Media Player. I couldn't get the quicktime version to run. Oh, and IE worked better than Firefox, alas.

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Monday, May 11, 2009 9:50 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


My dad was banking on that shuttle launch being delayed a couple of days so we could see it when we're down there, but no go. But, it's always nice when the shuttles do their work safely.

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Man, I wish I could go into space...I don't have $10 million or so discretionary spending money though. :P Think we'll get to a place where space tourism is possible? It's still fun to dream!


I hope space tourism happens sometime in the next few decades, because I want to go into space, too!

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Monday, May 11, 2009 10:50 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I wonder what new Weapons of Mass Destruction this shuttle mission will reap upon mankind?

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"ADM Willard played the role of the bad guy wearing the black helmut in Top Gun the movie, but the stunt double for Tom Cruise in that movie was played by former US Navy fighter pilot Scott Altman, who is leading the space shuttle Atlantis mission."
-Observations of an Armchair Admiral, Observing STS-125
http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/2009/05/observing-sts-125
.html


Top Gun: The gayest movie of all time




And don't fly on anything with a Rocketdyne SSM Engine, they fall right out of the sky.

Which is why NASA has a rescue shuttle ready to save STS125.

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STS-125 is classed as the most dangerous of the remaining flights of the Shuttle, and will require a second Shuttle to be on launch pad at the time of the launch. Pad 39-B will be required for this stand-by role. STS-125 will also be considered the Final Solo flight of a Space Shuttle Orbiter.
www.aerospaceguide.net/spaceshuttle/sts125.html

HI-RES PHOTO: nasa.gov/images/content/331773main_2pad_full.jpg

STS-125 marks the fifth Space Shuttle mission to the Hubble Space Telescope, a mission re-instated following public and political pressure in the wake of former NASA Administrator Sean O’Keefe’s 2004 decision to cancel the flight due to concerns that Columbia-like damage would be irreparable and that the Space Shuttle could not sustain a crew in orbit long enough for a rescue mission to be mounted.
www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/93719/


What's the Vegas odds on a Shuttle Death Watch?
Quote:



T+1:15 (M) What happened? What happened? Oh God, no - no!
T+1:17 (F) Oh dear God.
T+1:18 (M) Turn on your air pack! Turn on your air...
T+1:20 (M) Can't breathe... choking...
T+1:21 (M) Lift up your visor!
T+1:22 (M/F) (Screams.) It's hot. (Sobs.) I can't. Don't tell me... God! Do it...now...
T+1:24 (M) I told them... I told them... Dammit! Resnik don't...
T+1:27 (M) Take it easy! Move (unintelligible)...
T+1:28 (F) Don't let me die like this. Not now. Not here...
T+1:31 (M) Your arm... no... I (extended garble, static)
T+1:36 (F) I'm... passing... out...
T+1:37 (M) We're not dead yet.
T+1:40 (M) If you ever wanted (unintelligible) me a miracle... (unintelligible)... (screams)
T+1:41 (M) She's... she's... (garble) ... damn!
T+1:50 (M) Can't breathe...
T+1:51 (M/F) (screams) Jesus Christ! No!
T+1:54 (M) She's out.
T+1:55 (M) Lucky... (unintelligible).
T+1:56 (M) God. The water... we're dead! (screams)
T+2:00 (F) Goodbye (sobs)... I love you, I love you...
T+2:03 (M) Loosen up... loosen up...
T+2:07 (M) It'll just be like a ditch landing...
T+2:09 (M) That's right, think positive.
T+2:11 (M) Ditch procedure...
T+2:14 (M) No way!
T+2:17 (M) Give me your hand...
T+2:19 (M) You awake in there? I... I...
T+2:29 (M) Our Father... (unintelligible)...
T+2:42 (M) ...hallowed be Thy name... (unintelligible).
T+2:57 (M) You...over there?
T+2:58 (M) The Lord is my shepherd, I shall...not want. He maketh me to lie down in green
pastures... though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear
no evil... I will dwell in the house...
T+3:15 to end None. Static, silence.


Challenger crew cabin: NASA forgot to install a parachute... DOH!

http://history.nasa.gov/transcript.html

www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0258.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster

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"The cost of each launch has turned out to be 100 times greater than originally planned. Two of the first 113 flights ended in catastrophe. The shuttle has a 1-in-56 chance of not making it back. The FAA noted that if airlines had the same accident rate as the shuttle, we would lose 40 airplanes every day."
-Steve Chapman, Chicago Tribune, Disturbing Shuttle Discoveries: Consign shuttle to scrap heap, 2 Aug 2005
www.azstarnet.com/sn/related/86705



These are the same engines NASA wants to go "back" to the Moon with, when these engines only reach a max 20 miles altitude and max 2,500 mph. Escape velocity on Earth is 25,000 mph. It's 250,000 miles to the Moon...
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35989

Last week Hussein Obama cancelled all future manned missions to the Moon and Mars, while giving Kosher banksters $1-trillion per month.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38086&m=699985




"A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."
-Bill Cooper, MAJESTYTWELVE (one-legged radio host and his chained dog were assassinated by police state death squad)
www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

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Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM

FIVVER


Cellardoor, Yinyang,

Make the opportunity to see a launch! I managed to scarf press passes to the Apollo 17, Skylab station (both Saturn Vs) and the first Skylab crew (Saturn 1B) launches. I also managed to get a car pass for a shuttle launch. Nothing compares. Period. I think the car passes were discontinued after 9/11 but you can get tickets through the visitor's center. Or watch for free from the beaches Cocoa Beach or Titusville.

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Monday, May 11, 2009 11:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


PN

What sort of sociopathic ass hole are you? Is there a name for the mental handicap from which you suffer ?




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Monday, May 11, 2009 12:38 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

What sort of sociopathic ass hole are you? Is there a name for the mental handicap from which you suffer ?



Et tu Operative?

NASA and its space shuttle are merely constant reminders of what a failure and a joke amerika really is, and how stupid amerikans really are.

Which is a shame, since the shuttle is actually quite an accomplishment. Just proves Apollo humans never walked on The Moon.


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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:42 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Ever notice how NASA astronots look like they're high on dope when boarding a spacecraft?

Don't that seem odd to be laughing while boarding an airline that crashes the equivalent of 40 aircraft per day?

Quote:

Space Shuttle Columbia Funeral Song
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3734518559578754313

"The cost of each launch has turned out to be 100 times greater than originally planned. Two of the first 113 flights ended in catastrophe. The shuttle has a 1-in-56 chance of not making it back. The FAA noted that if airlines had the same accident rate as the shuttle, we would lose 40 airplanes every day."
-Steve Chapman, Chicago Tribune, Disturbing Shuttle Discoveries: Consign shuttle to scrap heap, 2 Aug 2005
www.azstarnet.com/sn/related/86705



Last night on NASA TV, half the astronots of STS125 talked about how "when I was a kid I saw the Apollo astronots walk on the moon."
www.nasa.gov

None of them said, "Since I got my PhD in physics, I'm amazed that Apollo astronots walked on The Moon despite all that deadly gamma radiation. Too bad we're not allowed to carry a telescope camera on the Space Shuttle."

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"The coolest thing for me is the experience of floating, not feeling my weight, and hanging by a window, just after sunset, and watch the stars in the big black dome of the sky, as the Earth moves underneath. I somehow try to find 10 - 15 minutes every day to do that. I think most mornings I try to continue to postpone my meals so I can do that. It's kind of fun because I have to watch where the food is going because my eyes are really glued to the outside. It is just absolutely amazing, magical, wonderful feeling to do that."
-Dr Kalpana Chawla PhD, Shuttle Columbia STS-107 Disaster, CSPAN interview from space, famous last words

"She loved looking at the Earth and at the stars. She said the stars from space are unbelievable, because it's just so much brighter."
-brother of Dr Laurel Clark, CNN Shuttle Columbia Disaster

"We were never able to see stars from the Lunar surface or on the daylight side of the Moon, by eye, without looking through the optics, I don't recall..."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, Apollo II press conference
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1754803469580790620



All space shuttle videocams fail 100% of the time on the darkside of "earth", and videocams are never pointed at dark sky on dayside of earth, so stars are never visible on NASA TV.

Communist China was busted faking their space walks underwater in "low earth orbit", after bubbles of air can be seen rising from the hatch, and other anomalies that look EXACTLY like the space shuttle, such as CGI "Earth" rotation.





NASA mind control in loonybin for sexslave Lisa Nowak
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0206073astronut1.html

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:10 PM

BYTEMITE


Here's one I don't agree with you on.

Truth: Moon doesn't have a Van Allen belt like Earth.

Truth: reactions in the Sun do produce enough gamma radiation that (besides the lack of breathable atmosphere) would generally sterilize anyone or any world exposed over a long period of time without proper protection.

Key phrase: exposure time. You aren't killed or sterilized unless you receive a high enough dose.

Also, the gamma radiation is absorbed a few centimeters away from the site of generation in the sun's core. The density of the plasma around there, as you can imagine, is pretty damn thick. Under normal conditions, no gamma rays are emitted from the surface of the sun.

Now, on occasion, some gamma radiation gets belched off during a particularly potent solar flare event, some scientists even speculate some historical extinctions may have been caused by this, though it's hard to prove. But, that's during periods of heightened activity only.

And you do have UV radiation that the surface of the sun gives off, being a glowing hot body, but astronauts suits DO have protection against that.

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Gamma radiation penetrates several FEET inside human flesh.

That's why gamma radiation is used to kill human feces on food products imported to USA from Mexico and Commie China. Workers require "substantial concrete shields" to protect them from gamma radiation used to kill food, and many food irradiation workers have been KILLED by gamma radiation.
www.google.com/search?q=food%20irradation&hl=en&emb=0&oq=&sa=N&tab=vw


Green RADura logo for food killed by gamma radiation (rad)

That's why organic food bans gamma radiation, which kills fruits and veggies and makes them unfit for consumption.

The reason the Moon surface has more gamma radiation than the Sun surface is because the 6-million mph Solar Wind blows Cosmic Radiation away from the Sun, which then hits the Moon at 6-million mph, in addition to gamma rays and x-rays hitting the Moon at the speed of light.

The bottom line is, we are literally imprisoned on planet Earth by the Van Allen Radiation Force Field and deadly Cosmic/Solar Radiation. There will be no space travel to planets or stars. It would require the entire planet Earth as a fuel tank to reach the stars. The elites know this. That's why they're in a fight to the death to kill off all their competition before they figure that out. YOU are their competition. Google Georgia Guidestones.

This is however quite a brilliant strategy for survival of all species in the universe, since it prohibits one insane species from destroying the entire galaxy or universe. YHWH is a genius.

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:36 PM

BYTEMITE


Understood about the penetrative quality of gamma radiation.

But the radiation represented by the cosmic wind is not gamma radiation. It's UV radiation. And some ions.

Unless, like I said, unusual solar activity like particularly violent prominences or solar flares generate gamma energy at the surface of the sun. It's been known to happen.

But usually? UV radiation and ions.

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:40 PM

BYTEMITE


Addressing your other point, it's entirely possible space colonization isn't going to happen. The possibility that we are being KEPT on Earth as fodder for the consumer cycle is not out of the question.

But space flight itself is physically possible. We have propulsion enough that we can break atmo with, what, about a few hundred tons of fuel each time. Our engine designs are also getting better.

As for interstellar travel, remember: gravity falls off exponentially at a distance. Once you're outside of a gravity "well" so to speak, you no longer need thrust to maintain momentum, except for minute course corrections necessitated by small impacts (space dust) and the force of starlight (which is measureable and does exist).

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
The possibility that we are being KEPT on Earth as fodder for the consumer cycle is not out of the question.


Like I said elsewhere, back in the 70's a psych study was done about what would happen if a colony outside the reach of the powers that be should become self-sufficient.

It was concluded that even if 70% of the population was ringers, plants or conditioned loyalist fanatics - they would STILL secede/rebel.

I still suspect that had a lot to do with our focus changing from deep space exploration to near space and jacking satellites into orbit.

-F

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:51 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The problem with space travel for humans is the massive weight required for radiation sheilding. On Earth the atmosphere equals 10 feet of water sheilding, and water is used for sheilding in nuke power plants, plus the Van Allen Force Feild offers massive protection.

So a spacecraft requires an equal amount of HEAVY radiation sheilding, which increases the fuel required exponentially. An artificial magnetic force field is already being considered by NASA as necessary for human flight beyong Low Earth Orbit. But that's impossible without massive energy production (which adds more weight), and magnetic forces that concentrated cause human damage, like CAT scans cause cancer.

SciFi novels and movies should incorporate these facts of physics, if there's to be any hope of future human spacetravel, since scifi is for kids (who become aerospace engineers). Spacecraft like the Death Star are more realistic than X-wing fighters.

Remember that NASA and Apollo were run by Nazi warcriminals who genocided 25,000 slaves in their underground ICBM factory bunker.

Never trust somebody who lived in a lair and wears baggy pants.


NASA Waffen SS Baron Wernher Von Braun hiding behind Heinrich Himmler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelbau-Dora

Trusting Uncle Scam is like a pretty girl hitching a ride with Ted Bundy, who liked to dig up corpses to have sex with. How does THAT get fun?


Republicons love their Necrophilia Room at Bohemian Grove
www.henrymakow.com/sex_as_illuminati_weapon_snl_f.html

Our dictators are frakkin nuts.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You don't have to be a Nazi to be a freakin pyscho you know.

Hell, look at Teller, not only was he a jerk of the same variety as Bill Gates, ripping off most of his "best" work from other people, but he was a crack-brained nihilist and warmonger of the mad scientist type to a degree bordering on parody - he tried to have Oppenheimers security clearance yanked cause he thought Oppie was "too soft" and generally opposed his maniac plans.

And we're talkin serious maniac, he wanted a first stike and for the US to use their newfound capacity to prettymuch take over the earth by nuking anyone who didn't toe the line, and pushed for such idiotic programs as Chariot and Plowshare - the man was completely off his nut, and mind you, THIS was the guy they had building the damn things!

And as if he had any room to talk about security risks, given that he more or less handed all our nuclear secrets to israel without so much as a blink, WHILE begging them not to sign the NNPT, and not only did that result in them having a nuclear arsenal, showing their typical murderous and backstabbing behavior, they immediately sold the secrets to the Soviets at bargain basement prices in exchange for political concessions.

And he spent a good bit of the later bit of his career blocking investigations into that matter, and three mile island, while taking money from the contractor who designed and built the defective parts, and pretending this wasn't a conflict of interest.

Seriously, the guy was the inspiration for Strangelove - and helped others come up with lunatic shit like the SLAM.
http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html

Which indirectly lead to Coors beer, ironically.

Anyhows, compared to Teller, Van Braun was a nice guy, and Oppenheimer was a saint.

I still don't buy that we never actually made contact and landed on the moon - but I *DO* know some of those pictures are indeed fakes shot from a soundstage for propaganda purposes in case the mission failed, and then used anyway in a media blitz to obtain more funding - which has lead to that theory, sure.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:08 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Yes, Pluto's nuke engine proves that radiation is not our friend. That's why airliners don't have atomic engines. Radiation was measured by Uncle Scam in "sunshine units". Ha.

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A nuclear aircraft is an aircraft powered by nuclear energy. Research into them was pursued during the Cold War by the United States and the Soviet Union as they would presumably allow a country to keep nuclear bombers in the air for extremely long periods of time, a useful tactic for nuclear deterrence. Neither country created any nuclear aircraft in production numbers. One design problem, never adequately solved, was the need for heavy shielding to protect the crew from radiation poisoning. Unmanned missiles have been designed to use nuclear thermal rockets, but such designs were considered too dangerous for crews to actually fly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_aircraft



It is my understanding a belief, based on my eyewitness observations and research, that live humans (Russian Apollo-Soyuz) did (perhaps) go to the Moon, but either died in orbit (most likely), or died on the surface after making a successful landing. The dead Russians then crashed on the Moon after decay of orbit, or burned up on re-entry to Earth months or years later. That way, NASA can "honestly" say, "Apollo did go to the Moon".

It's probably not even possible to make such a landing by humans, computers or robots, not on the Moon, and not even on the Earth, as proven by the 1990s DCX fiasco even with massive computers and modern materials (outsourced to Russia), that had a max range of TWO MILES.


www.astronautix.com/lvs/dcx.htm
http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/DCX/

NASA engineers for the modern Aries Moon program keep saying things like "no modern rocket can protect astronots from deadly space radiation beyond the Van Allen Force Field," and "we need to visit museums to look at Apollo displays to figure out how they got to the Moon." The Aries Rocketyne SSME engines only reach 20 MILES ALTITUDE ABOVE EARTH, which is 249,980 miles short of the Moon. Then Obama killed to Aries Moon/Mars program this month...

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:25 AM

BYTEMITE


PirateNews: Those nuclear planes are called that because they use NUCLEAR fuel. That's why they needed crew shielding, not because they were low-orbit.

That ten feet of water, or six inches of lead, as far as I'm aware, is only necessary in the presence of gamma radiation. Besides, we wouldn't just be talking people. If there's no space travel possible on account of gamma radiation, we can't have satellites either. The instruments are very sensitive.

Do you believe we have satellites? Long range missles?

However... Your talk of using magnetism reminds me of some recent breakthroughs in plasma actuators. Although they're more useful for streamlining the craft through a bubble of actual particles than high energy electromagnetic radiation...

But at this point, I kinda think everything I'm saying is being ignored, so I'm just going to quit. You don't think space colonization is possible for technical reasons, I think it may not be possible because of political, in the end we're both reaching the same general conclusion.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:49 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
PirateNews: Those nuclear planes are called that because they use NUCLEAR fuel. That's why they needed crew shielding, not because they were low-orbit.

That ten feet of water, or six inches of lead, as far as I'm aware, is only necessary in the presence of gamma radiation. Besides, we wouldn't just be talking people. If there's no space travel possible on account of gamma radiation, we can't have satellites either. The instruments are very sensitive.

Do you believe we have satellites? Long range missles?

However... Your talk of using magnetism reminds me of some recent breakthroughs in plasma actuators. Although they're more useful for streamlining the craft through a bubble of actual particles than high energy electromagnetic radiation...

But at this point, I kinda think everything I'm saying is being ignored, so I'm just going to quit. You don't think space colonization is possible for technical reasons, I think it may not be possible because of political, in the end we're both reaching the same general conclusion.



Nuke planes prove that radiation shielding is too heavy for Apollo's trip to the Moon. Apollo had zero shielding for Solar/Cosmic gamma radiation, X-rays and 6-million mph Solar Wind.

Geosynchronous satellites fail all the time, due to radiation and space weather beyond the Van Allen Force Field. That's why there's so many rocket launches and so much dead space junk in orbit. Since robots lack heavy life support systems, its easier to shield delicate computer chips. Wires can last much longer in radiation.

LEO satellites and astronauts are protected from most radiation by the Van Allen Force Field.

But when the space shuttle tried to work on the Hubble Space Telescope at 350 miles altitude, the astronots got to see stars with their eyes closed, as nuke charged particles smashed into their retinas. Apollo astronots never mentioned that symptom when they traveled through the Van Allen Belts...

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In 1998, the Space Shuttle flew to one of its highest altitudes ever, three hundred fifty miles, hundreds of miles below merely the beginning of the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Inside of their shielding, superior to that which the Appollo astronauts possessed, the shuttle astronauts reported being able to "see" the radiation with their eyes closed penetrating their shielding as well as the retinas of their closed eyes. For a dental x-ray on Earth which lasts 1/100th of a second we wear a 1/4-inch lead vest. Imagine what it would be like to endure an hour and a half of radiation that you can see with your eyes closed from hundreds of miles away with 1/8th-inch of aluminum shielding!

After this new generation of NASA astronauts encountered this unpredicted surprise, CNN issued the following report:

"The radiation belts surrounding the Earth may be more dangerous for astronauts than previously believed. The phcenonmenon known as the 'Van Allen Radiation Belts' can spawn 'Killer Electrons' that can dramatically affect the astronauts' health."

www.moonmovie.com



STS125 is also going to that 350-mile altitude, in "the most dangerous reamining shuttle mission" that requires a rescue shuttle standing by. Pay attention and listen to astronots if they admit to seeing sparks with their eyes closed. If they don't see sparks, then STS125 is a FAKE, or they're lying about not seeing sparks (since Apollo never saw sparks).

Watch NASA TV online
www.nasa.gov

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I don't think we ever landed a man on the moon. Back in 69' I was one of the true believers until years later my father, a former OSS/CIA agent, told me that we had NOT.

To date, no one has ever captured a photo of Tranquility Base, nor have any moon orbiting satellites ever photographed to resolution any other landing sites - YET, I can go to Google Earth and view a satellite photo of my house and see both of my cars parked in the driveway - from more than 150 miles in space. One car is green and the other is red. But, we are yet unable to photograph an alleged historical vehicle on the lunar surface which is three times larger than an automobile.

Then, NASA claims that laser reflector targets were placed at various landing sites and the University of Texas regularly measures the distance to the moon in centimeters. Yet in the same paragraph, the writer says that the return laser signal usually amounts to only one or two photons??? Come on now....any astronomer will tell you that there are TRILLIONS of stray photons striking the reflective telescope mirrors (Newtonian) but somehow NASA is able to distinguish 3 or 4 of of those photons as originating from the moon?

The then new CIA needed someone for work in the aerospace industry which was in its' infancy back in the 1950's. He was sent to work at North American Aviation (NAA). In fact, my fathers' pilots who cheauffered him from time to time between the Downey and Inglewood manufacturing plants in a Navion private airplane were famous test pilots Maj. George S. Welch and Bob Hoover.

My father sat in on highly classified meetings between NAA the US military (USN & USAF). His job was to take the official minutes of the meetings in shorthand and later type them for dissemination to those on the official "need to know" routing list.

In the mid-70's, my Dad came down with lymphatic cancer. I would go over to his house on Saturdays, have a few beers and shoot the breeze with him. We talked about everything. Up to that time, he was a very secretive person. I knew that he had been involved in some real 'out of the box' projects but was reluctant to talk about them.

A few months prior to his death, we were once again spending Saturday afternoons together sippin' the suds and shootin' the breeze. The subject of men landing on the moon came up and and he said to me, "I'm going to tell you something....we NEVER set foot on the moon." He went on to say that it was all a big show. He also told me that the movie Capricorn I would blow the lid off of the US space program. Ever since that movie aired, more and more people are questioning whether or not we made it to the moon.

In the 1990's, I met the head of the Russian Yakovlev Aircraft Design Bureau from Orenburg, Russia. The meeting occurred at Kelly Space Technologies in San Bernardino, California. Sergei (as he requested I refer to him) was a very old man and we were both pencil and paper designers. We sat and talked for several hours at great length. I told Sergei that we were both at opposite ends of the pole so to speak. He had worked under the thumb of the KGB and my father had been with the OSS and later the CIA. I told him what my father told me about the so-called lunar landings and asked if he thought we "made it" to the moon. He looked me straight in the eye and very gently, very slowly, without saying a word, moved his head in the negative. I didn't pursue the matter any further, fully believing the subject was extremely uncomfortable for Sergei.

So, there you have it. My words are predicated on what my father, a former OSS/CIA agent, and a top Russian aerospace engineer told me in very few words and with the nod of a head.

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As you can see, it's a lot more fun to look closely at this topic, than just beLIEve.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:28 AM

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Actually Byte, I am fascinated to hear your own take on it.

As you pointed out, once you're out of the gravity well, you don't NEED that much thrust - and I have long been in favor of building a longer ranged intersystem craft which doesn't have planetfall capability at the L-5 point in order to study and perfect deep space exploration and maneuvering, using a combination of Solar Sail and Ion Engine technologies.

http://nmp.nasa.gov/ds1/tech/sep.html
http://nmp.nasa.gov/ds1/tech/ionpropfaq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_engines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_1

DS1 was actually quite successful, to the point where the engine itself outlasted all expectations in such a degree that they were ADDING to it's mission objectives when they ran out of stuff to do and DS1 retained the capability to do more stuff!

And the Ion Engine technology itself is extremely promising in regard to inter-system navigation.

Once you remove the need for planetfall, all sorts of things become possible.

-F

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Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Yes, robots do appear to have a long and successful future colonizing space.

Humans, not so much.

On the NASA press briefing live on TV right now, NASA admits a thermal styrofoam tile was damged on STS125, and a Yellow Alert is in effect for space junk headed for the shuttle. No mention yet of sparks in their closed eyes. The backup shuttle has now been hit by lightning and the launch pad was damaged.

Also on live NASA TV, instead of showing the shuttle, they're showing astronots underwater working on Hubble with fishmen in scuba tanks, plus computer animation of the shuttle with Hubble in space. Seems both the shuttle and Hubble can easily fit inside NASA's underwater tanks...

Boeing, which built Apollo, is now in the Terminator robot business, mass-murdering innocent folks every day. Killing people while they sleep in their beds is VERY VERY VERY profitable!
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Friday, May 15, 2009 2:13 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


STS125 Updates at



They're not dead yet.

Quote:

STS125 EVA#1 Observations by Pirate News



At 1:45 NASA Mission Control says STS, "they trained in the NBL Neutral Bouyancy Laboratory underwater training for the spacewalks 10 hours for every one hour of actual EVA time in space."

At 8:52 NASA Mission Control tells astronot working on Hubble in space, "Could you get a diver to hold up your end?"



What's missing from all NASA "space" maintenance is profanity, or at least frustration, SOP for all terrestrial vehicle maintenance. Astronots always sound like they're high on pot. In contrast, I listen to aviation scanner from our local international airport, and pilots usually talk so fast they sound like they're high on speed, which they are at 600 mph and 35,000 feet.

And of course there's never any stars in space, according to NASA. Not even from Hubble.

One of the most unprofessional things NASA does is allow female astronots to wear their hair like a crazy person. This appears 100% insane, unhygenic, and a mechanical risk to space ops. Any military soldier or civilian cook who wore their hair like that would be immediately arrested. This appears to be an attempt by NASA to "prove" the astronots are weightless in orbit, since it could not possibly have any legitimate purpose, except perhaps birth control.


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