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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

The idea has been gently floated past me by this towns city council, of perhaps replacing these jackasses with a private security firm, something which we are unaware of any precedent for, but does raise some damn interesting thoughts on the matter.

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You are SOOOOO gonna end up on the city council there...

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Am I missing something here?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


We don't compete, here in the States, the biggest dog simply pays politicians to outlaw their competition, see ?

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Am I missing something here?

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Far as I am aware of, outside of really podunk towns, most Police forces in the US are full-on agents of the State, with a whole laundry list of powers and protections far beyond the average citizen, which they have over time expanded to a ludicrous degree and tend to abuse severely.

They also helped get a lot of really byzantine laws and regulations passed back in 1968 in most states in order to ensure their monopoly and cut private forces out almost entire by making compliance costs impossible, raising barriers to market entry, and other ludicrous crap of that nature.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Saw that comin.

Robbers use stun gun on Salem shop owner
http://www.katu.com/news/local/44945387.html

Of COURSE crooks are gonna start moving to this - no loud bang, no icky mess of potential DNA evidence, no chance of being hammered under anti-gun laws mainly aimed at disarming the law abiding...

I hope they catch these berks, and it goes to trial - cause I wanna see if the same law enforcement mafia continually claiming the damn things are "safe" tries to level "deadly weapon" charges, cause the instant they do that, we'll be all over em.

Damn things are either safe, or potentially lethal, but you can NOT consider it one way in the hands of an agent of the state, and the other in the hands of anyone who is not.

Also be interesting if they wanna start registering and tracking taser units, which is ultimately pointless since so many are already "out there" but watching them try while decrying having to do it themselves and screaming about officers privacy will be informative too, won't it ?

Same way they always want a camera pointed at YOU 24-7-365, but have a goddamn conniption if you point one at THEM.

Also: two 911 calls last night from this area, down the road from site three, one burglary, one unspecified medical emergency - both callers outright demanded they NOT send the local police whatsoever.

The burglary victim demanded the State police be contacted, and refused to open the door when the dispatcher ignored her and sent the local PD anyway, which took 107 minutes to arrive, and then got all pissy and drove off in a huff, so the lady called the state police on a non-emergency line and they showed up about 12 minutes after that, AND swept the neighborhood with two cars and caught the little punk (he's a juvie) red handed breaking into someones garage.

The idea has been gently floated past me by this towns city council, of perhaps replacing these jackasses with a private security firm, something which we are unaware of any precedent for, but does raise some damn interesting thoughts on the matter.

Not being "official" law enforcement, they'd have no mandatory must-arrest policy, and would be severely liable for any abuses in a way conventional law enforcement would not be, which would allow them to actually keep the peace instead of having to chase down every friggin nitpick and bust someone for it.

And while still armed for their own defense, and able as anyone else to make a citizens arrest if they absolutely must - their primary focus would be on keeping the peace, rather than law enforcement, since they wouldn't have any reason or authority to 'enforce the law' beyond what any other citizen might.

Interesting conversation it was indeed - although that sure as hell wouldn't be MY company cause I wouldn't do it, and most of my people aren't in the kind of physical shape the job would require anyhows - I'd work with em though, so long as they behaved themselves.

So, anyone know of a precedent where a township has "fired" their police dept entire, en-masse ?

-Frem

PS - I suggested some drug testing if they couldn't find another excuse, hell yes imma evil bastard... I *know* a high percentage of em would fail it.

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. The concept I don't comprehend is why your affluent neighbourhoods don't hire their own police forces. Given that I understand your argument above, that wouldn't necessarily inhibit the folks with large amounts of cash. Cuz the rich folk in America would want actually effective policing, wouldn't they? And, well, they could pay for it, too.

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So, anyone know of a precedent where a township has "fired" their police dept entire, en-masse ?

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So, anyone know of a precedent where a township has "fired" their police dept entire, en-masse ?

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Ok, now I AM laughing.

Apparently, somewhere in the pit of corruption that is Tennessee (PN can tell you more than you ever wanted to know about that) some OTHER local activist has found themselves in a very similar situation as I did not so very long ago...

And apparently whipped out the Dynamo playbook, starting at page one.

New Calhoun Police Chief Hired, Entire Force Fired
http://www.wrcbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=10064370

It happened very abruptly. Commissioners in Calhoun, Tennessee, accepted the resignation of city manager Joe Shudan. They quickly named a replacement, who promptly fired the entire police force.

This David Wilson guy seems to be playin from the same deck, for many of the same reasons - alas that the replacement he named bailed out cause of threats from the police unions, who are severely pissed at the guy - since he has no intention of replacing the asswipes he fired with more equally corrupt goons from the good-old-boy-network and as such is having trouble finding folks "qualified" (i.e. having already sold their soul) to the usual asinine requirements.

Funny that the locals claim not to have his number despite it being publicly listed - my fax machine is humming as we speak sending some advice along with copies of local newsclips.

I don't think Mr. Wilson quite realizes the danger of the game he is playing, but I give him credit for the balls to try.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Hey, hey! ALL of Tennessee isn't a pit of corruptioin there, bub! LOL Though I sadly admit we have more than our share. I think we're borrowing them from somewhere else, lol.

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