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Monday, June 1, 2009 3:44 AM

GEEZER

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Interesting column in Sunday's Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009
052901867.html


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By Warren Brown
Sunday, May 31, 2009

Buried under the current global economic collapse is the debris of conventional wisdom. Consider, for example, the wreckage of the automobile industry.

You'll notice that I said "the automobile industry," as opposed to "Detroit" or "the Big Three" -- references to a car business that hasn't existed for at least a decade.

"Detroit" became truly global in the past 10 years with the streamlining and more thorough integration of worldwide operations at General Motors and Ford. Chrysler, as noted in this space on several occasions, for the past 22 years has attempted to become a global company primarily through merging with a foreign partner.

In its bid for a quick exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization, Chrysler -- once an "ally" with French automobile manufacturer Renault before becoming a cuckolded "equal" in a merger with Germany's Daimler-Benz -- is trying again, this time with Italian automobile manufacturer Fiat.

The bottom line is that all three U.S.-spawned companies -- GM, Ford and Chrysler -- will survive in whole or in part as reconstituted international operations.

"In whole" refers to GM, regardless of whether it completes its current restructuring in or out of bankruptcy court.

Conventional wisdom says that the New General Motors (NGM) will be a much smaller company, because it has divested, or is in the process of divesting, certain properties held by the old company. Gone or going are the old GM's Opel, Saab and Vauxhall operations in Europe, as well as its Saturn, Pontiac and Hummer franchises in the United States.

NGM, ironically, will resemble the old, U.S.-centric GM, a company focused on home-grown American brands -- Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC trucks. That looks like a retreat. But it isn't.

Buick is one of the most popular brands in China, the world's fastest-growing automotive market. Chevrolet is now a global brand, selling worldwide in much the manner that Toyota (more on that later), Honda, Nissan, Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz are marketed worldwide. Ditto Cadillac.


That being the case, it makes good sense for NGM to get cash by selling off Opel, Saab and Vauxhall in Europe. Given the global automobile industry's interdependent nature -- rival companies using many of the same suppliers for components, for example -- NGM could always turn to one of its former European properties for needed parts or desired design and development work.

"In whole" also refers to Ford, which turns out to have had the good fortune of being on the brink of bankruptcy three years ago. That early life on the precipice forced Ford to bring in new management, represented by Alan Mulally, who joined Ford as president and chief executive in September 2006 after serving as chief executive of Boeing's commercial airlines operations.

Ford is a car company, but Mulally taught it how to fly. He quickly jettisoned excess baggage -- cost-weighty prestige brands such as Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover. He literally mortgaged the company, borrowing billions of dollars from banks and other financial institutions. The borrowed money, none of it from the government, was used to improve product quality and roll out new products, such as the Ford Fusion Hybrid mid-size sedan.

Ford's products, the little Fiesta and Focus cars are examples, are now among the best-selling automobiles in Europe. The Focus has been the best-selling car in Russia.

But honorifics such as "best-selling" and "best quality" and "invulnerable" constitute transient praise in a highly competitive, capital-intensive automobile industry, especially one wracked by a disastrous collapse of global sales. Consider Toyota.

I hate to say, "I told you so." But, hey, I told you so repeatedly in this space, as well as in my "On Wheels" review column: Toyota and the old GM have more in common than the media and many of our politicians, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and President Barack Obama, would have you believe.

Toyota and the old GM, to their detriment, relied on sales of big trucks and sport-utility vehicles. But Toyota cleverly concealed that reliance by hyping its gas-electric hybrid Prius car, proudly wearing the cape of the industry's green champion while collecting as much fiscal green as possible through sales of models such as its Highlander and FJ Cruiser sport-utility vehicles and its Tacoma and Tundra pickup trucks.

When U.S. gasoline prices spiked last summer, Toyota was just as exposed to sales disruption as the old GM. Truck sales, all truck sales, slowed to a miserable trickle. Toyota's plans to build a truck plant in Mississippi were scrapped in favor of using that plant to roll out more fuel-efficient Prius cars.

But U.S. gasoline prices dropped just as quickly in the fall of 2008 as they rose in the summer of that year, quashing Toyota's Prius plant plans in the process. The lesson: Toyota was no better at guessing a market immersed in cheap gasoline than was the old GM.

Those mistakes, combined with unfavorable currency exchange rates and Toyota's insistence on exporting more cars from Japan (60 percent of home production) than it builds abroad, resulted in a $4.4 billion loss for Toyota in the fiscal year that ended in March.

It gets worse: Toyota lost $7.7 billion in its last quarterly reporting period. It expects to lose $5.5 billion in the fiscal year ending March 2010.

Unlike the old GM and Chrysler, Toyota, buoyed by decades of strong profits, is not likely to drown in red ink and file for bankruptcy protection. But it is no longer considered "invulnerable" or somehow immune from corporate error.

Executives of NGM, and whatever constitutes the new Chrysler, should keep that in mind as they go about their future business. No one has a corner on common sense, innovation, supplier and consumer relations, and product quality. No car or truck is "best" simply because it comes from Asia, Europe or North America.

Appropriately, "best" in the automobile industry is a rolling target. It always has been and always will be -- in times good or bad.



Folks do tend to forget that Ford and GM have a significant presence in the world market.

They also tend to forget that many automakers worldwide are feeling the bad economy.





"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 5:29 AM

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Monday, June 1, 2009 5:46 AM

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That being the case, it makes good sense for NGM to get cash by selling off Opel, Saab and Vauxhall in Europe.

Isn't Opel and Vauxhall the same thing.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:30 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by citizen:
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That being the case, it makes good sense for NGM to get cash by selling off Opel, Saab and Vauxhall in Europe.

Isn't Opel and Vauxhall the same thing.



Pretty much, with the controls moved over to the other side...

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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Something that's not mentioned in the article - and probably SHOULD BE - is Toyota's outlays of cash on its Formula One program. It's rumored (no one at Toyota is saying for sure) that Toyota is laying out as much as $2 billion per season to run 2 cars and 2 drivers in 17 races. To date, they've scored zero victories and zero manufacturers' or drivers' championships. Not even close. Or, to be more blunt, they aren't even in the race.

Now, there is a reason that Toyota isn't more worried than it is: during the boom years, instead of paying out dividends and buying up money-pit "prestige" auto brands, Toyota simply banked their cash, to the tune of around $56 billion in cash reserves as of last summer. That might help them limp through the weak times...

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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:51 AM

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Recently in the EU where I was shocked to see how many Fords were on the road. I had a Ford Fiesta ages ago and loved it but it never did well in the American market and got yanked. The new ones we saw looked great, maybe it's time for them to reintroduce them to the US?

What struck us even more were how many very cool and very cheap autos were available - Fiat in particular has models between $12K -$16K USD that get weeks of mileage from a tank of gas and look great - better than any Toyota or Honda imho. Are US car buyers ready to buy Fiats? I think absolutely they are but I am no judge - I would think they'd be so pissed at their own US manufacturers that they'd be happy to save money, get great gas mileage and have a snazzy ride.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Also, it should be noted that with the exception of Saturn, NONE of the brands that GM is selling and/or shuttering were anything other than commodities for GM. They didn't start these companies, they didn't develop these companies - they merely bought them up and are now divesting themselves of those investments.

This includes:

SAAB
Vauxhall
Opel
Holden (Australia)
Hummer (formerly AM-General)
Pontiac
and Saturn, the only brand that GM ever "invented" all on its own.

Remember, too, that GM owned Lotus in the 80s and early 90s, and Lotus is damned lucky to have even survived that fiasco!

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:33 AM

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The Focus has been the best-selling car in Russia.

That being the only country on the planet who's domestic vehicles are worse...

I *HATE* that thing, from what I hear it's been improved, but I'll never forget nor forgive being stuck with one as a rental and that it was abysmal in EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE RESPECT, to such a degree I placed it below the quality of a Yugo.

And I tell ya, the auto industry ought to thank it's lucky stars Kalishnikov never designed a car, cause that woulda been the end of em in less than a decade.

-Frem

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:59 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
What struck us even more were how many very cool and very cheap autos were available - Fiat in particular has models between $12K -$16K USD that get weeks of mileage from a tank of gas and look great - better than any Toyota or Honda imho. Are US car buyers ready to buy Fiats?



The difference between the U.S. and European car markets is $2.50 a gallon gas vs. $6.00 a gallon gas (due in large part to taxes), and no punative car taxes vs. heavy taxes on larger displacement cars. In Europe people buy small, fuel-efficient, cars with luxury features because larger ones eat them up with fuel and tax costs. In the U.S., if you want more luxury, you buy a larger car, because the operating expense penalty is a lot less.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:53 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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The Focus has been the best-selling car in Russia.

That being the only country on the planet who's domestic vehicles are worse...


Some of them are pretty solidly put together, actually. My Dad used to have a Lada Niva, then he Bought a Riva and a Cossack.

Someone in a Ford hit his Cossack once, demolished the front end of the Ford, pretty much wrote it off.

He had a small crease below the passenger door. It never broke down either.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
What struck us even more were how many very cool and very cheap autos were available - Fiat in particular has models between $12K -$16K USD that get weeks of mileage from a tank of gas and look great - better than any Toyota or Honda imho. Are US car buyers ready to buy Fiats?



The difference between the U.S. and European car markets is $2.50 a gallon gas vs. $6.00 a gallon gas (due in large part to taxes), and no punative car taxes vs. heavy taxes on larger displacement cars. In Europe people buy small, fuel-efficient, cars with luxury features because larger ones eat them up with fuel and tax costs. In the U.S., if you want more luxury, you buy a larger car, because the operating expense penalty is a lot less.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Would we be better off if we were taxed more heavily on SUVs and large trucks that AREN'T used for any legitimate business or farm use? In other words, is you're a private individual, should you pay more of a "sin tax" for a non-commercial, non-farm-use vehicle with a gross vehicle weight over a certain amount, or an engine displacement over a certain size?

Mike

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Monday, June 1, 2009 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

The difference between the U.S. and European car markets is $2.50 a gallon gas vs. $6.00 a gallon gas (due in large part to taxes), and no punative car taxes vs. heavy taxes on larger displacement cars. In Europe people buy small, fuel-efficient, cars with luxury features because larger ones eat them up with fuel and tax costs. In the U.S., if you want more luxury, you buy a larger car, because the operating expense penalty is a lot less.




That certainly is one difference, though considering the average commute for a Euro is less than half that of the average American and it looks like at least money-wise total operating numbers would be about even.

At $6 per it certainly will keep driving down.

Europeans have a more accessible, better rail system by almost any measure which also contributes to smaller/cheaper auto design.

European roads tend to be smaller so another reason smaller vehicles make sense.

European services are closer - or maybe it's just the culture - so less driving is necessary, while I think nothing of driving 50 minutes across town to shop for socks and get a sammie.

I see Smart cars starting to sell in my city (I can't believe it but it is happening) at $22K and Minis are everywhere at about the same price. So, I can't see why a $12K Fiat or a $16K brand new Fiesta wouldn't be flying off of car lots... other than the fact that, yanno, auto makers don't seem to know what they're doing.



"The original 500 was met with rave reviews by the European automotive press and it looks as if we may see the tiny coupe on North American streets soon. Whether we'll be given the option of choosing the 500C soft top remains to be seen."

Car And Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/micro_machi
nes/2008_fiat_500_first_drive_review


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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


$12-$16k is still *too damn much*.

Hell, I like the new 500R myself, but sure as shit, they put it on an auto lot over here, I will BET you it *starts* at $18k and goes UP from there.

And I just ain't payin that for no goddamn econobox.

-F

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yup, there are some slick Fords I'd like to see make it over here, including the Ka city car and the Puma small sporty coupe.



By the way, the Ka is based on the Fiat 500...


http://www.comp.co.uk/gallery/pics/FORD%20PUMA%20TH3%207X15.JPG




Heck, even the European Fiesta looks way cooler than the tripe they foist off on us...



One of my favorite Fords we don't get here is the Brazilian-built Courier. I see lots of them whenever I go to Houston - apparently they're common in Mexico.

http://darkforestcreature.com/Courier/2002fordcourierbr.JPG

I don't mind people having their F-150s, just as long as they don't mind me laughing at them for bitching about the price of gas... Something like the Courier would do me just fine - it will haul everything I need it to haul (wood, tools, engines, transmissions, etc.) without killing me at the pump.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And speaking of the Fiat 500, make mine an Abarth, please:

http://www.fiat.co.uk/500abarth/About.aspx


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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Would we be better off if we were taxed more heavily on SUVs and large trucks that AREN'T used for any legitimate business or farm use? In other words, is you're a private individual, should you pay more of a "sin tax" for a non-commercial, non-farm-use vehicle with a gross vehicle weight over a certain amount, or an engine displacement over a certain size?



Good question. I'm sort'a against the whole sin tax thing on general principles. I'd prefer that people buy what they want.

The U.S. Government seems to be going about it a different way, by setting MPG and emissions standards, rather than taxing to reduce fuel usage. I'm wondering if this might change when the government finds out how much of a hole they're in due to the various stimulus packages.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Would we be better off if we were taxed more heavily on SUVs and large trucks that AREN'T used for any legitimate business or farm use? In other words, is you're a private individual, should you pay more of a "sin tax" for a non-commercial, non-farm-use vehicle with a gross vehicle weight over a certain amount, or an engine displacement over a certain size?



Good question. I'm sort'a against the whole sin tax thing on general principles. I'd prefer that people buy what they want.

The U.S. Government seems to be going about it a different way, by setting MPG and emissions standards, rather than taxing to reduce fuel usage. I'm wondering if this might change when the government finds out how much of a hole they're in due to the various stimulus packages.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Good point. We DO use taxes in this way, after a fashion - they're called "gas-guzzler taxes" - but it's never really been pursued with any amount of seriousness.

I'm against sin taxes myself, but they seem to be a favorite with so many people - as long as it's not their personal "sin" that's being taxed!

Mike

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Monday, June 1, 2009 4:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Europeans have a more accessible, better rail system by almost any measure which also contributes to smaller/cheaper auto design.

European roads tend to be smaller so another reason smaller vehicles make sense.

European services are closer - or maybe it's just the culture - so less driving is necessary, while I think nothing of driving 50 minutes across town to shop for socks and get a sammie.



Europe - the whole thing - is smaller than the U.S. Individual countries in Europe are much smaller. They were settled, heavily populated, and the infrastructure put in place when the fastest form of transportation was the horse. Roads for autos are pretty much an afterthought.

Most of the U.S., outside the East Coast cities, has infrastructure that was designed around the mobility provided by the car. Hence you're expected to drive to the market, rather than walk. This may be one reason that European solutions to the problems caused by autso won't work quite so well in the U.S.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:


Europe - the whole thing - is smaller than the U.S.



Except in the summer months when they have more sunny days than we do, in which case the EU continent swells to over 5 times the size of the US - PirateNews said so.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Most of the U.S., outside the East Coast cities, has infrastructure that was designed around the mobility provided by the car. Hence you're expected to drive to the market, rather than walk. This may be one reason that European solutions to the problems caused by autso won't work quite so well in the U.S.



I *do* see some few signs of people at least TRYING to change this a bit. There are several newish developments in Austin that are set up as storefronts on the ground floor, with apartments or condos above. The idea is that you have everything you need close by. Only problems I've seen are that you don't really have the corner bodega, and the mega-box grocery store is still quite a ways away. But it's something they're trying, anyway. It looks to be based more on the New York or Chicago old-style model, where most everything you needed was right on your block.

Mike

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