Top Ten Reasons John Ensign Should Resign by OPPYH

I can forgive constant misspeak if I can follow what the person means and they actually KNOW what they mean...

Bunch of funny, eye roll worthy ones in there though. :)

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Biden, a likeable nice guy, is a first class nincompoop.

NONE of that paints him as stupid as that prank call paints Palin, sorry.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:33 AM

Frem: Had to actually look that up.

Well... It does pretty much sound like my perspective, yeah. I put a lot of focus on the community, in how everyone has some intrinsic worth, and how people do better both progressively and emotionally when they help each other, as opposed to isolationism. I like the idea of breaking down the walls between people. I think measurements of economic worth (class and hierarchy) are just another means of dividing one person from another, and that hurts everybody, because that breeds desensitization, a lack of empathy, and crime. It enables corruption.

But I'm not sure how far you can go making private property community owned. On one hand even though private property and materialism can be a motivating factor for progress, it's an empty one. On the other, you start taking about forcibly taking from people because they should SHARE it, and you start treading dangerous ground.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
On the other, you start taking about forcibly taking from people because they should SHARE it, and you start treading dangerous ground.

NOBODY but me owns MY phaser!!!!

They'll take it from my cold, dead hand!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:47 AM

And I guess to be fair, Letterman doesn't write his monologues.....but he does approve/axe them.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

NOBODY but me owns MY phaser!!!!

They'll take it from my cold, dead hand!

Heston was a conservative. A bad-ass gut toting conservative.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:50 AM

Or your warm living one.

*space time continuum'd!*

Where's your fancy not-yet invented weaponry NOW?

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:53 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Heston was a conservative. A bad-ass gut toting conservative.

I thought he was quite slim.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Or your warm living one.

*space time continuum'd!*

Where's your fancy not-yet invented weaponry NOW?

*Just exiting his Delorean*
Back with me.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Heston was a conservative. A bad-ass gut toting conservative.

I thought he was quite slim.

Not slim, rather built, but no real gut to speak of.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:12 PM

WHOZIT

During the election he and Tina Fey were in the news alot, now the only way that gaped tooth old perv can draw attention away from all the "Tonight Show" news is a stunt like this. He and Tina Fey should go to the roof of 30 Rock, hold hands and jump.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:26 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Signy & Jerkko have no problem with disgusting Rape Jokes as long as it's about Sarah Palin's family. When did child rape or illegitimacy become a topic for comedy anyhow? Letterman himself fathered children out of wedlock, so it's really no surprise that he has no values whatsoever. Liberals walk a thin line between sanity and demented ideology. Maybe their daughters WANT to be impregnated by A Rod, or maybe they themselves do.

Where's the rape joke? Show me where in his monologue Letterman used the word "rape" in a joke. Show it to me, or shut the fuck up, ya lyin' sack of shit.

Make me shut up punk! I've enjoyed kicking your sorry ass all over these boards today. By the way, how's that pointy head of yours, and also, does your 14-year old daughter want to be knocked-up by ARod, or even me per chance? What good sport!

Told ya before, I don't have kids, so knock yourself out trying to knock them up. Or you could just go back to banging your own daughter. You're both used to it by now, right?

Did you find the "rape" in that "rape joke" yet? I didn't think so. Keep trying.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by rue:
Where's the rape joke ?

There isn't any, and this whole controversy gets a big *yawn* from me.
Hey righties, come up with something substantive- it's out there, believe me.

The laughing Chrisisall

The righties, as evidenced by Jongsy, have NEVER had anything substantive to discuss. That's why they grasp so hard at non-issues like this, to try to keep themselves in the public eye when no one is paying any attention to them.

There ARE substantive issues being discussed on this board, but you'll find Jongsy and his li'l band of nobodies nowhere near those threads, because they have nothing of substance to add.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:33 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I didn't hear any from ME, so why the furor over this particular piece of bad taste from YOU?

Maybe just reached the boiling point due to the non-stop vile bashing of Palin for 10 months by Letterman and others. In another time I would not have gotten so upset.

Maybe you should try to lay off the sauce a bit. It seems to be affecting your mood and judgment.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
*EDIT* I don't see a rape implied, just for the record. Just sexual promiscuity (no idea really how to spell that )

Willow is 14, it is rape.

Bristol is 18, it is rape if she does not consent. The comment did not express or imply consent. The comment is express in limiting affirmative behaivor to A-Rod.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

The comment also did not express an actual factual occurrence. And it also did not express a LACK OF consent. Bristol is 18; if she says "no", it's rape. The comment makes no mention of her saying "no". Hence, no rape, no rape joke.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I don't understand. What's right wing?
Partisan indignation, man. Just say Letterman was an idiot & leave it at that. To purposely read more into it than there was is where the "right" thing comes in. Would you have gotten your dander up as much over the same joke made of Chelsea Clinton when she was 18? Oh, but Chelsea's Mom didn't preach abstinence & have a daughter actively proving she had no real handle on the concept, so that's why this blows all out of proportion for ya, eh?
Okay, I get it.
Rant on.

The laughing Chrisisall

I always liked Chelsea. I always felt a bit sad for her. I never had a bad word or thought about her.

If only John McCain had followed your example. What was it he called Chelsea? "Ugly as a mud fence"? I must have missed your righteous indignation over that comment. How would you like it if he referred to YOUR daughter as "ugly as a mud fence"? What if *I* called her that?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:50 PM

Doesn't "knocked up" refer to an accidental pregnancy? I wasn't aware that the term held any implications of forced pregnancy.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
And I guess to be fair, Letterman doesn't write his monologues.....but he does approve/axe them.

And he should have axed that one - or at least made sure to use Bristol's name to remove all doubt as to who he was talking about.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
During the election he and Tina Fey were in the news alot, now the only way that gaped tooth old perv can draw attention away from all the "Tonight Show" news is a stunt like this.

And just look at how well it's worked!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:56 PM

Okay, NOW I'm caught up. I think.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:57 PM

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And finally, you don't want captured terrorists being given Miranda rights overseas, like Obama said on 60 Minutes he'd never do, but has now indeed ordered?

Jongs, any kind of cite to back up this claim that Obama ordered this?

Reason I ask is, the only references I can find to Miranda being read to some terror suspects is that Bush ordered it back in July 2008. I'm sure you can prove that wrong, though, with your oh-so-superior intelligence and reliance on facts instead of talking points.

Right?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:09 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem: Had to actually look that up.

Well... It does pretty much sound like my perspective, yeah. I put a lot of focus on the community, in how everyone has some intrinsic worth, and how people do better both progressively and emotionally when they help each other, as opposed to isolationism. I like the idea of breaking down the walls between people. I think measurements of economic worth (class and hierarchy) are just another means of dividing one person from another, and that hurts everybody, because that breeds desensitization, a lack of empathy, and crime. It enables corruption.

But I'm not sure how far you can go making private property community owned. On one hand even though private property and materialism can be a motivating factor for progress, it's an empty one. On the other, you start taking about forcibly taking from people because they should SHARE it, and you start treading dangerous ground.

Ah, but that's the beauty of it, nestled in there quite firmly is something called the Non-Aggression Principle, as in never *forcing* anyone to do anything - to do otherwise violates the whole concept and reduces it all to "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", and many folk like me are just plain damn tired of that little game.

It's why I don't get on well with a lot of other Anarchists though, see, the whole "throw down the established order" concept is not only completely moronic, it's hypocritical, and you cannot FORCE an ideology on folk who don't want it, nor should you!

If it worked at all, it'd wind up like Biafra, Somalia, Haiti, just mad chaos and a whirlwind of violence as new factions scrabbled for power.

We don't need to throw down the established order, just outgrow any need or want for it, cause the whole of their power rests upon the fools that take their orders - without which the "powers that be" are in fact utterly powerless.

In short, the essence of this form of Anarchism is "And I should listen to you, exactly... why ?"

On the other hand, realistically you DO have people who take the orders and cling to the masters leg not out of fear, dependance or ignorance, but out of malice, greed, and hatred of their fellow man, and entirely by their own choice, hell, look at the obvious gleeful sadism of most agents of the established order, from obstructive bureaucrats who enjoy lording their power over you, to police who laugh as they abuse you, to the happy shiny faces of our "troops" (which I do NOT support) as they torture and murder...

Those beings, in my eyes, have voluntarily surrendered any claim to humanity, to personhood, because to have it at all is to respect that of others and in their sociopathic selfs there is not, and never will be, any such thing - I don't need to dehumanise them, they've done so to themselves, of their own free will, chosen to become what they are.

The Enemy.

As such, I have absolutely zero regard for them as people cause they're no such thing, they could be - if they wanted to, but they preferred and actively chose savagery, at which point they become just an obstacle, worthy of no more regard than a piece of litter you shove out of the way in order to continue your journey.

I know that might sound cold, but consider that in keeping with the non-aggression principle, what has to happen *first* for me to act violently against them...

Anyhows, folk like that are damn rare, most of those takin orders are doing it out of fear, dependance and ignorance, all of which can be fixed - and as for the savages, well, once we quit *creating* them in a society that still creates very few true sociopaths despite it being designed and structured to do so, that problem fixes itself.

That's not idealism even - look at our society, public schools, mass media, and still, STILL, children choose their humanity - we like to call it a mental disorder, try to medicate it, ship em off to the friggin camps (but not for much longer!

) and so on and so forth - but what that really is amounts to children choosing humanity, despite all odds, everything they're being taught, bombarded with, they STILL do not obey...

In that lies the only hope we really have.

If human nature was ever so awful as those wishing to control it "for our own good" keep telling us it is, we would have never built civilization in the first place, would we now ?

You can't kill it, can't suppress it, only check it temporarily - but I will always, ALWAYS bet on our humanity, cause nature always wins, look at what a tree root does to a sidewalk, neh ?

Anyhow, that's the 101 capsule lecture, mind.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If only John McCain had followed your example. What was it he called Chelsea? "Ugly as a mud fence"? I must have missed your righteous indignation over that comment. How would you like it if he referred to YOUR daughter as "ugly as a mud fence"? What if *I* called her that?

Mike

May not be the prettiest on the planet but she has one kicking bikini body.

I'd nail that "mud fence" any day of the week.

R-Rated Chelsea

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:23 PM

Oh, horrors! She's ghastly.

Oh, I was wrong about the "ugly as a mud fence" quip. What McCain actually said was "You know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

Classy guy, Ol' John.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:23 PM

I mostly figure violence isn't necessary at all for a revolution. I figure that these people are eventually going to ruin themselves, and as they try harder and harder to hold on to what they have, the more it's going to slip away. They'll think they can sell off their extra stuff, just for a little more seed money, just an investment for them to start over, but no, no, that'll end up gone too. And soon, they will be the same as the rest of us, on equal ground, and once that happens the new system can be established. No taking needed, just the natural process of attrition of the system they've built that they themselves don't understand.

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Ayep, like holding a handful of sand, the tighter you squeeze, the more slips right through your fingers...

Although, knowing as much history as I do, when those powers that be DO fall to earth, it's gonna be less than pleasant for em - about all they can hope for it that it'll be quick, yanno ?

Not that I feel exactly sorry for em and all, but one of the things we've prepared for is trying to limit the carnage of WHEN that happens so that it don't become a feeding frenzy and cause more needless destruction than needs be.

Barbour looked at the door. Unwilling to speak but unable to help himself, he said, "Did you have to do that? They were asleep!"
The Widow frowned at him. "What does that matter?" she said. "It's better that they're dead, surely?"
Robert Barbour looked at her in sudden epiphany.
For the first time in his life he realized that there really were people who should better be dead.
It gave meaning to his life.
The Sharp End; David Drake.
Pg 315.

-F

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Friday, June 12, 2009 1:44 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Nice to see this site is status quo.
It's not like this thread was started to bash Obama. This thread was a swipe at a late night talk show host who showed terrible judgment. But because Letterman's quip was regarding the Palin family, we have the usual suspects rushing to his defence. Even though most of you probably don't even watch the show.
We have Signy digging up quotes from 'conservatives' playing the old but he said card as if that somehow lessens the poor taste of this 'joke'.
We have Rue come out of retirement to stand up for Letterman because he said something derogatory about the Palin's.
We have Kwicko bringing up McCain quotes as if that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Once again, because McCain called Chelsea ugly, it is okay for Letterman to joke about getting a 14 year old girl knocked up. Doesn't fly with me, besides, Signy already beat you to it.
We find Mr. Isall arguing that it is okay because Sarah Palin was once duped by some radio comedians. She wasn't the first nor will she be the last one to fall for that particular prank. But I guess that means she is a simpleton who must be mocked along with her family.

I guess if we all just agreed that Letterman showed bad judgment, this would have been a very short thread.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 1:55 AM

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...it is okay because Sarah Palin was once duped by some radio comedians. She wasn't the first nor will she be the last one to fall for that particular prank. But I guess that means she is a simpleton who must be mocked along with her family.

Well at least we can all agree that she's a simpleton who should be mocked! Thanks for clearing that up.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 2:17 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The comment also did not express an actual factual occurrence. And it also did not express a LACK OF consent. Bristol is 18; if she says "no", it's rape. The comment makes no mention of her saying "no". Hence, no rape, no rape joke.

It was a rape joke because the joke was about the 14 year old since she was the one who was in NY and at the ball park.

It may have been a mistake on Letterman's part, in fact its likely and lets assume it was in fact meant to be aimed at Bristol.

If you intend to shoot one person in the leg and your bullet hits another person in the head by accident (wrong place, wrong time), your still guilty of shooting a person in the head.

In this case Letterman intended to make a sexual joke about Bristol and instead hit Willow, he's still guilty of making a sexual joke about Willow (and the momment he misfired on Willow, his joke about sexual conduct became a joke about rape).

It was a risky joke and it blew up in his face, he should be fired, just like Imus.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

We find Mr. Isall arguing that it is okay because Sarah Palin was once duped by some radio comedians. She wasn't the first nor will she be the last one to fall for that particular prank. But I guess that means she is a simpleton who must be mocked along with her family.

BDN, did you even LISTEN to that prank call I posted???
No one but a self-important IDIOT would fall for that- the radio guys were taking GREAT PAINS to make it over the top, and she STILL didn't get it; she had to be pulled off the phone by SOMEONE ELSE who DID understand it was a goof.
BTW, Sarah appreciates your sympathy towards simpletons.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:07 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

In this case Letterman intended to make a sexual joke about Bristol and instead hit Willow, he's still guilty of making a sexual joke about Willow (and the momment he misfired on Willow, his joke about sexual conduct became a joke about rape).

Oh, I thought INTENT was a severely mitigating factor, or does that particular line of thought only work when excusing AUTHORITARIAN scumbags?

Pickin' the cherries is all...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:19 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Also the insult to willow and damage done is to a large extent reversible, by Letterman clearing up the confusion and apologising for it - so not so much like shooting somebody in the head.

Heads should roll

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Nah.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 4:37 AM

WASHNWEAR

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Heston was a conservative. A bad-ass gut toting conservative.

I thought he was quite slim.

Had an uncle who used to be a gut-toter in a fish processing plant 'til they booted him across the street to management.

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Friday, June 12, 2009 6:14 AM

STARTROOP

It's amazing. Here we have a second rate comedian (sorry, if he was first rate, he wouldn't have to work everynight) who makes a stupid joke in poor taste about a failed VICE PRESIDENTAL candidate. Palin should get upset, she's a mom. I am the father of girls and I empathise. Letterman screwed up what could have been a sincere apology because he makes people laugh for a living and couldn't pass up the laugh. Surprise, surprise, he is not rocket scientist. What is everyone else's excuse? This is one or the reasons I disconnected cable.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 6:30 AM

WASHNWEAR

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Nice to see this site is status quo.
It's not like this thread was started to bash Obama. This thread was a swipe at a late night talk show host who showed terrible judgment.

I guess that's why the individual who started the thread titled it "Late night talk show host shows terrible judgment" instead of something more inflammatory like, oh, I don't know...maybe "Letterman's vicious sexual comment toward Palin's 14 year old daughter." (Of course I'm assuming that the title wasn't changed post-initial post, which can be the case sometimes...)

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But because Letterman's quip was regarding the Palin family, we have the usual suspects rushing to his defence.

Yes, in response to the other usual suspects rushing to spew faux-outrage and vitriol over a LibDem talk-show emcee's poor taste/judgement.

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Even though most of you probably don't even watch the show.

Hmmm...I've been a fan of Letterman practically since there was a Letterman to be a fan of. He usually pretty well suits my mood and temperament. But not always. And in recent years it's occurred to me occasionally to wonder just a little if there's something going on with him, and by "something" I mean a set of possibilities ranging from a little early-onset dementia to a subtle shift in focus brought about by the fairly new wife-and-child angle in his life. What I'm saying is sometimes I wonder if he's 100% all there for whatever reason. I would certainly agree that, in this instance, he and his staff were at least 2% somewhere else. And - let's face it - sometimes his delivery is just plain sloppy, which I think is pretty much what went wrong here.

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We have Signy digging up quotes from 'conservatives' playing the old but he said card as if that somehow lessens the poor taste of this 'joke'.

Huh - I thought she was just expressing wonder at the lack of outrage from ConRep types over similar instances of poor taste on the part of less LibDem-y media folk.

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We have Rue come out of retirement to stand up for Letterman because he said something derogatory about the Palin's.

I imagine Rue just misses the place. AND, in the fine tradition of Clara Peller, she did ask, "WHERE'S THE RAPE JOKE?"

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We have Kwicko bringing up McCain quotes as if that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Once again, because McCain called Chelsea ugly, it is okay for Letterman to joke about getting a 14 year old girl knocked up. Doesn't fly with me, besides, Signy already beat you to it.

Since the topic at hand seems to be "Getting all lept-up over nothing," Kwicko's comments seem to me pretty on-topic ('course, I may be >gasp< biased...).

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We find Mr. Isall arguing that it is okay because Sarah Palin was once duped by some radio comedians. She wasn't the first nor will she be the last one to fall for that particular prank. But I guess that means she is a simpleton who must be mocked along with her family.

Shoot - and I thought Mr. Isall was simply engaged in a tangential debate with The Jongster over whether it's Palin or Biden who's the bigger Loose Canon™ and/or Nut Job®.

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I guess if we all just agreed that Letterman showed bad judgment, this would have been a very short thread.

AGREED! Thread closed!

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Friday, June 12, 2009 6:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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If you intend to shoot one person in the leg and your bullet hits another person in the head by accident (wrong place, wrong time), your still guilty of shooting a person in the head.

But then it might be manslaughter instead of first-degree murder. For someone who says that "intent" makes a difference... especially if you're a Republican or a soldier ( I didn't intend to kill 16 civilians) it would be fair if you extended the same reasoning to the other side. Not that you're hypocritical or anything.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Friday, June 12, 2009 7:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
I thought Mr. Isall was simply engaged in a tangential debate with The Jongster over whether it's Palin or Biden who's the bigger Loose Canon™ and/or Nut Job®.

I like that Mr.Nwear.
Here's a very recent Biden Blunder to add to the list:
"Avid train rider and Vice President Joe Biden, on a conference call Monday with reporters, mistakenly claimed that the planned Hudson River tunnel between New Jersey and Midtown Manhattan would provide a much-anticipated route for automobiles.

Problem is, it's for trains.

The $8.7 billion tunnel is among the largest new projects to be funded in the Obama administration's $787 billion stimulus package.

"Look, this is designed, this totally new tunnel, is designed to provide for automobile traffic," Biden said, according to The Record of Bergen County. "It's something, as you know, up your way, that's been in the works and people have been clamoring for for a long time."

The Record, which asked Biden the tunnel-related question on the call, called the vice president out on the error. The north Jersey newspaper noted that the tunnel would accommodate more New Jersey Transit trains during peak hours -- cars are not part of the equation.

The mistake is notable given the former Delaware senator's well-documented affinity for trains and frequent Amtrak commutes between Washington and Wilmington during his Senate years. Biden also inadvertently irked public transit when he warned Americans in late April not to travel in "confined places" for fear of contracting swine flu."

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Friday, June 12, 2009 7:17 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Nah.

What, do you think in terms of the offence felt it makes no difference whether it was meant or not? Otherwise it's reversible...

Heads should roll

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Friday, June 12, 2009 10:49 AM

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We have Kwicko bringing up McCain quotes as if that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Once again, because McCain called Chelsea ugly, it is okay for Letterman to joke about getting a 14 year old girl knocked up. Doesn't fly with me, besides, Signy already beat you to it.

Well, the reason I brought them up is because they DO have something to do with the topic at hand. Palin has said that jokes about rape are unacceptable, and jokes about a candidate's family and children are unacceptable, and both are off-limits.

Since Letterman says the joke was aimed at Bristol, we kind of have to take him at his word as far as his INTENT goes. There's some supporting evidence for this: Bristol DOES have a history of being "knocked up". So Letterman is joking about an EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD getting knocked up, not a fourteen-year-old as the right keeps claiming.

Also, I'd really like to know where all the "outrage" was when McCain was making fun of a teenage girl's appearance (Palin swears that it's damaging to young girls to do this, because they're so impressionable and insecure at that age), and where was all the "outrage" when McCain was making rape jokes? "Where is that marvelous ape?" - remember that one?

Palin says she's outraged by WHAT was said, but her claim is proven to be a lie by the mere fact that even after McCain said these things, she still CHOSE to be his running mate. She didn't put the feelings of women, rape victims, or young girls at the forefront of her mind when she chose to stand by McCain and try to paint him as some kind of "hero". Clearly her outrage isn't with WHAT was said, so much as WHO said it (Letterman, who had previously savaged McCain for stiffing him and no-showing on him) and WHO it was aimed at (her family instead of Hillary's).

Any claim otherwise is just so much horseshit.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
I thought Mr. Isall was simply engaged in a tangential debate with The Jongster over whether it's Palin or Biden who's the bigger Loose Canon™ and/or Nut Job®.

I like that Mr.Nwear.
Here's a very recent Biden Blunder to add to the list:
"Avid train rider and Vice President Joe Biden, on a conference call Monday with reporters, mistakenly claimed that the planned Hudson River tunnel between New Jersey and Midtown Manhattan would provide a much-anticipated route for automobiles.

Problem is, it's for trains.

The $8.7 billion tunnel is among the largest new projects to be funded in the Obama administration's $787 billion stimulus package.

"Look, this is designed, this totally new tunnel, is designed to provide for automobile traffic," Biden said, according to The Record of Bergen County. "It's something, as you know, up your way, that's been in the works and people have been clamoring for for a long time."

The Record, which asked Biden the tunnel-related question on the call, called the vice president out on the error. The north Jersey newspaper noted that the tunnel would accommodate more New Jersey Transit trains during peak hours -- cars are not part of the equation.

The mistake is notable given the former Delaware senator's well-documented affinity for trains and frequent Amtrak commutes between Washington and Wilmington during his Senate years. Biden also inadvertently irked public transit when he warned Americans in late April not to travel in "confined places" for fear of contracting swine flu."

Now that's actually pretty funny.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, horrors! She's ghastly.

Mike

LOL!! Ghastly?

Come on, she's not as bad as all that.

Next your going to tell me Shelly Duvall, and Tori Spelling are unattractive.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 12:53 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Since Letterman says the joke was aimed at Bristol, we kind of have to take him at his word as far as his INTENT goes. There's some supporting evidence for this: Bristol DOES have a history of being "knocked up". So Letterman is joking about an EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD getting knocked up, not a fourteen-year-old as the right keeps claiming.

How is Bristol going to get knocked up by A-Rod when she wasn't even at the game? Letterman made the joke about the Palin's attending the game. Not sure why you are so determined to throw up a smoke screen. You must be a real big Letterman fan.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Also, I'd really like to know where all the "outrage" was when McCain was making fun of a teenage girl's appearance (Palin swears that it's damaging to young girls to do this, because they're so impressionable and insecure at that age), and where was all the "outrage" when McCain was making rape jokes? "Where is that marvelous ape?" - remember that one?

You direct me to the threads mentioned above and I will agree 100% with you.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Palin says she's outraged by WHAT was said, but her claim is proven to be a lie by the mere fact that even after McCain said these things, she still CHOSE to be his running mate. She didn't put the feelings of women, rape victims, or young girls at the forefront of her mind when she chose to stand by McCain and try to paint him as some kind of "hero". Clearly her outrage isn't with WHAT was said, so much as WHO said it (Letterman, who had previously savaged McCain for stiffing him and no-showing on him) and WHO it was aimed at (her family instead of Hillary's).

Any claim otherwise is just so much horseshit.

Why should Palin be held to a different standard than yourself?

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Friday, June 12, 2009 2:22 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, horrors! She's ghastly.

Mike

LOL!! Ghastly?

Come on, she's not as bad as all that.

Next your going to tell me Shelly Duvall, and Tori Spelling are unattractive.

Apparently you don't get sarcasm.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Apparently you don't get sarcasm.

What some don't *get* sometimes staggers me...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, June 12, 2009 2:47 PM

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Why should Palin be held to a different standard than yourself?

Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?

Mike

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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:23 PM

HERO

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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If you intend to shoot one person in the leg and your bullet hits another person in the head by accident (wrong place, wrong time), your still guilty of shooting a person in the head.
But then it might be manslaughter instead of first-degree murder.

Actually its not. The Felony Murder statute applies. Killing someone, even accidently, while committing or attempting to commit another felony is still Agg Murder in Ohio.

Best you can hope for is to avoid the needle.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 3:27 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Why should Palin be held to a different standard than yourself?

Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?

Why should any be held to a different standard than Yoda?

The laughing Chrisisall

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