Iranian Protestors Shot As Obama Goes for Ice Cream by Skywalken

Save for the fact that we conclusively proved most of those were a setup by Hill & Knowlton, yanno, just like that Kuwaiti Incubator story.

While there's no doubt a whole lot of nasty shit goin on over there, I am too familiar with our history of involvement (See Also: Operation Ajax) to believe anything a known propaganda engine happens to be telling me.

On May 23, 2007, Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported on ABC News: “The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert “black” operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell ABC News.”

On May 27, 2007, the London Telegraph independently reported: “Mr. Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilize, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.”

A few days previously, the Telegraph reported on May 16, 2007, that Bush administration neocon warmonger John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US military attack on Iran would “be a ‘last option’ after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.”

On June 29, 2008, Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker: “Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership.”

Conversely, Iran is far from innocent themselves, as their internal security services are running their own version of Mockingbird as well.

So both "sides" are shovelling bullshit and propaganda as fast as they can pile it on, and just cause one side is completely fulla shit, and the other happens to be telling you what you WANT to hear, doesn't mean they are telling you the truth.

Critical Thinking, you should try it sometime.
Of course, that presumes you wingnuts have an actual thought process to begin with.

One must remember also, that our meddling of exactly this type is what gave Chavez his *massive* support base thanks to being caught out playing the propaganda game and trying to sponsor at least two coups.

Think it through you fools, this can go two ways, either our meddling and interference gets us another Shah, and fifty MORE years of fucking blowback to choke on - or it gives us a solidified opposition with a real, valid hard-on for us...

Did you never think that fanatic dickheads that most of these guys are, they didn't have a POINT, a REASON and good fucking CAUSE to not like us ?

We've been shovelling this bullshit since the sack of Acre, and all it does is prove that as bad as their own homegrown jackasses are, we happen to be worse - and because of that, instead of listening to the moderates, they go with the "devil they know" as a defense against US.

In short, this insane and doomed to fail policy actually HELPS the goddamn fanatics stay in power.

Of course, even if we left our hands off, we've also got our treacherous, backstabbing so-called-allies stickin their thumb in the propaganda pie as well.
http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabil
ize-iran-via-twitter/

If the Iranian PEOPLE want these assholes out, they're gonna have to do it themselves, cause our "help" is probably the only thing WORSE than leaving those shitheads in power, and so good luck to em and whatever THEY want, for THEIR country, is what should be.

Whether WE like it or not.

And might I remind you that when all the world is focused on what's going on in the sandbox, that is also the time we should be most vigilant in looking over our OWN back fence at what OUR powers that be happen to be *doing* while we're conveniently distracted.

But fuck it, no one listens to good sense these days anyways, so imma just leave it here.

-Frem

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:30 AM

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Critical Thinking, you should try it sometime.

This is not one of Skywalken's prime functions.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:55 AM

GEEZER

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I'm sorry, but this is just such a reach to try to propagandize two completely unrelated things that it takes my breath away.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:34 AM

I agree, Geeze.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:06 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Yeah, SW, I've no doubt that those evil Iranians were just waiting for Obama to step out for ice cream so they could put their evil plans into action.

What was it you were expecting Obama to do?

Maybe he should take up golf...

Mike

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:01 AM

BADKARMA00

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, SW, I've no doubt that those evil Iranians were just waiting for Obama to step out for ice cream so they could put their evil plans into action.

What was it you were expecting Obama to do?

Maybe he should take up golf...

Mike

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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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THose damn Iranians, they have spies everywhere! Even at Baskin-Robbins! All this time, I thought it was just seven-eleven.

Sheesh!

Seriously, it bothers me that Obama not so long ago was wanting to have 'serious' talks with this same government, but...that is what he gets paid for. To look after our interests first.

He won't be the first President to get a black eye from something he thought might work out. He won't be the last either.

THe thing that pisses me off most is that both sides are using these kids who are protesting in Iran to further their own political agenda. That is BS in the largest sense of the word.

But, as always, that's just me.

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:03 AM

BADKARMA00

Doesnt he already golf?

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:18 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Maybe he should take up golf...

Where was Sky's righteous indignation when Bush refused to cut his holiday short for a piddling little thing like an American cities destruction.

Seriously, what the fuck does Iran's election problems have to do with Obama anyway? Well, beyond the obvious that American and British precedent is to replace elected governments with vicious dictators if their the 'wrong' government I mean.

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:15 PM

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Doesnt he already golf?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

I think he promised to give it up until the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are over.

Oh, wait. That WASN'T Obama who promised that?

Mike

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:26 PM

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THe thing that pisses me off most is that both sides are using these kids who are protesting in Iran to further their own political agenda. That is BS in the largest sense of the word.

That's politics, ain't it?

As for what the U.S. does, I still say we wait, unless we are ready to FIRMLY commit to one side or the other, with the full realization that doing so will immediately increase the number of deaths and the depths of brutality committed upon the Iranian people, simply by dint of our being involved, or as they so accurately call it (given our historical precedent in the area), our "meddling". Getting involved with either side now is a losing deal. Musavi isn't some magical reformer; he's a conservative evangelical just like Ahmedinejad, just of a slightly different shade.

So, we wait. Wait until there's a winner, wait until there's someone to actually support, and then we extend a conciliatory and friendly handshake to them in the hopes of jump-starting a productive relationship, instead of merely prolonging the tit-for-tat name-calling and brinksmanship we've been engaged in for the last 30 years. We can, at this moment, encourage ALL Iranians to work together, to work things out, to be a part of the global community, but beyond that, we'd be better off sitting back and letting things settle. Of course, if we REALLY wanted to make a difference, we'd offer our "support" to the side we wanted to see lose, because anti-American sentiments still have enough weight in that part of the world to tip the scales firmly in favor of those whose most damning accusation is "America supports him!"

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:28 PM

CITIZEN

I'm not sure the US has any right to start getting involved because another countries electoral process isn't perfect.

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:16 PM

HKCAVALIER

This is the weirdest conversation. Meddlesome. Yeah, all this talk about "what we should do" is itself utterly meddlesome. When are y'all gonna get it through your skulls that we DON'T run the world.

You know what we should do? We should, in a dignified way, simply apologize and see what comes of it. Own up to our despicable past, just a little--admit we've made some pretty rotten decisions over there. And why don't we go over there, say to Egypt and tell 'em so, straight up. We should do the decent thing and own up to the past, speak to the Muslim world respectfully, maybe quote the Koran, 'cause there is some beautiful stuff in the Koran, maybe give 'em just a LITTLE respect? You know what might happen then? I dunno, maybe some elections over there might go to the progressive candidates this time. Maybe the people living under this or that oppressive regime might be inspired to do something about it.

Oh, wait...I guess that's what our President did before going out for ice cream with his kids. Oh, well, never mind.

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:22 PM

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I'm not sure the US has any right to start getting involved because another countries electoral process isn't perfect.

Yeah, I'm not sure we'd have liked it too much if the British or the French had tried to come in after our 2000 elections and told us who they supported.

Mike

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:02 PM

That is kinda the gist of my position on it, HKC, although in much less nice words - let their own people decide what THEY want, even if it involves some ugliness, cause like it or not, where ever politics is, violence soon follows, alas.

And yes, reconciliation and makin up for our past is a good idea, but damn it's difficult with our so-called-ally playing boat anchor to the process, sabotaging it at every turn and screaming bloody murder (as in, screaming FOR the murder of anyone who isn't THEM) all the way...

Me, I am all in favor of lightening the load there, flat out tell Israel they either get with the program, or get cut loose, cause I am damn sick of their genocidal bullshit, especially with our money - and it ain't got a damn thing to do with their race or religion, but their behavior as a nation and political entity.

As for the rest of the middle-east, most of their cultures, especially the pashtun, have very deep rooted cultural aspects revolving around hospitality, truce-making and forgiveness, and if we manage to JUST FREAKIN ONCE actually keep our word, which we have *not* done since about 1260AD or so, we'd be able to parley a decent peace process and an end to the hate.

The only two things in the way are our own alphabet agencies, which are running wild with no end in sight, and will sabotage the process unless Obama comes down on them with a bang, and our so-called-ally and their own jackassery, which we should be plain and public in NOT supporting, up to and including the revocation of foreign aid and military subsidies if they do not quit being total dicks.

Those two key elements are what is missing from the current offer, and why it just plain won't stick until those issues are addressed.

-Frem

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:42 PM

GRIPPER

One one hand;I make no bones about considering Obama to be "One Big Assed Mistake,America"...OTOH;I agree with a few others here-WHY would ANYONE tie together two COMPLETELY unrelated events?
I get blood in my eye when families are screwed with -even a guy I do NOT like or trust.
The mullahcracy that runs Iran is pretty close to its "Tienamen Square" moment-whetehr or not it goes anywhere ;who could say?
I DO believe that they should go-not that the new guy is automatically going to be great either.I DO support the idea of supporting freedom.And I DO consider it a bit hypocritical to worry about "meddling "in Iran;while we never lose an opportunity to "meddle"-such as our bi-polar attitude towards Israel.
Lebanaon and Iran are mor ealike than peo;l,e realize-at varying times they had status as"sanctuary" nations that were fairly pluralistic and willing to take in other groups not welcome in the rest of the region.It would be of a lot of interest to me personally to see Iran go secular WITHOUT losingits own sense of history and tradition OR a chance at freedom.

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:48 PM

I want HKC for President, and Frem for vice.
THEN something good would be done in this gorram country.

Signy & Rue must have top science advisory positions as well.

Kwicko must be the secretary of the Department To Eradicate Extraneous Bulls**t.

Finn would run the Library Of Congress.

Cit would be our Foreign Relations consultant.

Geezer has to run the ACLU.

Ecgordon needs to run the FCC.

I would straighten out the FDA.

AURaptor would be in charge of Immigration & Naturalization.

Jong would be the head of Public Relations.

6ix could be in charge or our Military.

Have I forgotten any that could serve our country in a positive way? Feel free to nominate others or yourselves.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:54 PM

Well, ignoring unrelated twitters from twits,

I'm in immigrant and a career military veteran.

The US isn't perfect. It makes a lot of mistakes. That means it's only about 50 times better than anywhere else.

Including my two former homes.

I also think 0bama is an utterly detestable sack of crap.

That makes him only 50 times as good as any other nation's exec.

YMMV

As to Iran, that issue goes back at least to Xenophon's March of the Ten Thousand, about 2400 years ago.

But...

Go take a look at where Iran is on the map.

We control the bases on either side, have strong allies providing free bases up the entire Arabian Gulf (I know. I helped build several of them), and we have brand new airbases in various other 'stans north of it.

You can't believe that was by accident.

Their middle class professionals are largely Western schooled and Western friendly.

Hopefully, it won't get too interesting.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 12:54 AM

Howdy Mike!

Best don your armor for the dive into RWED, it can get a bit.. rough.

As for Obamalama, I see the POPPA agenda looming behind him, and I don't care for that at all.

Of course, you're more likely to know what I mean by that...

Might not agree with you, guy - since imma unrepentant Kropotkinist-Anarchist, but your perspective is very welcome here, sir.
(yes he rates a "sir" from me, being a baen-published author, shaddap.)

I still think our best bet is to go hands off and just make sure it doesn't spill over the borders, cause it's shaping up to be quite nasty - the best hope of a more moderate leadership evolving is not giving the fanatics any more political ammo by stickin our nose in it.

-Frem

PS, you can plug the prologues here, if like - I happen to be browsing the sample blurb for CwC even now.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 1:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Even the mighty Obama can't do anything in this situation beyond what he's already said. The more we "support" the protesters, the more the hard-liners will be encouraged to crush them. The only hope they have is for their own police and military to turn against the Ayatollahs. This should be an interesting week.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 1:26 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Even the mighty Obama can't do anything in this situation beyond what he's already said. The more we "support" the protesters, the more the hard-liners will be encouraged to crush them. The only hope they have is for their own police and military to turn against the Ayatollahs. This should be an interesting week.

It's beginning to look more and more like the Ayatollahs are losing their grip on the citizenry. It might be an interesting week indeed. Ahmedinejad and Khameni might end up rehashing one of King Louis XVI's discussions: "Is it a revolt?" "No, Your Highness - it's a REVOLUTION!"

How far will they go to keep power? How far will the protestors go to wrest power away from them?

Mike

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Monday, June 22, 2009 3:34 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Geezer has to run the ACLU.

Good! Protecting the Second Amendment and the right to self-defense just moved to the top of the list.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 22, 2009 3:56 AM

RIPWASH

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Have I forgotten any that could serve our country in a positive way?

I am shocked and appalled that you could forget me, Chris. Though what I may have to contribute is beyond me.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 3:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
How far will they go to keep power? How far will the protestors go to wrest power away from them?

I hope somebody is YouTubing this all right now.

Too bad that movie preview voice guy died. This is going to make an awesome flick that doesn't even resemble or speak the truth about the actual conflict someday.

And 30 years after the US was told the "truth" that will become what people actually believe took place, Bollywood will make a musical about it.

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE AND ZOMBIES!!!!

PRIDE AND PREDATOR!!!!

(Google both of them)

Why read or watch reality when fiction passed as reality is so much cooler?

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Monday, June 22, 2009 4:53 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I want HKC for President, and Frem for vice.
THEN something good would be done in this gorram country.

I second that motion. But what would libertarians like me and Sarge do?

Here is my version of Twitter.

Change_for_Iran: Masood just got shot!

Skywalken: Playing a video game while eating chips.

Change_for_Iran: Ali got beaten up!

Skywalken: Typing on FFF.net with music in the background in an airconditioned room, while eating chips.

Change_for_Iran: Shayan's brother is missing.

Skywalken: Taking a hot shower after a nice hot steak dinner, followed by ice cream for desert.

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I know Iranians. They don't want our "help."

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Monday, June 22, 2009 4:58 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
How far will they go to keep power? How far will the protestors go to wrest power away from them?

It does not really matter. The Revolutionary Guards will slaughter them. Fanatical and well armed.

The only counter is the Iranian military. 15 years ago there were enough moderates to make a go of it...now, who knows?

Its encouraging that they haven't shot the opposition leader yet, but unless the Army gets involved to counter the Pasdaran, this is really just a matter of how many die before the shouting stops.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Is the Guard going to slaughter thousands of them? Innocent women in the streets? I hope that doesn't happen. These Iranians are damn brave. It does seem like a real travesty that we invaded Iraq to free the people from a brutal dictator, and we got death and mayhem and universal condemnation for our efforts. In Iran the people really want freedom, and we can't do anything to help them.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:31 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Geezer has to run the ACLU.

Good! Protecting the Second Amendment and the right to self-defense just moved to the top of the list.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

I second Geezer's nomination!

Mike

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:44 AM

The Iranian military have an unofficial forum online. They're a fairly well educated and professional bunch of guys, from what I've seen.

Of course, that's only the ones who participate.

The key thing to remember with the entire Middle East is that our involvement started in 1948. You can't just "stop" something like that overnight. It'll take years.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:46 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Howdy Mike!

PS, you can plug the prologues here, if like - I happen to be browsing the sample blurb for CwC even now.

Thanks. I might do that in a separate thread.

BTW, I hardly ever watch TV, and was only aware of Firefly, never had time to watch it, and then it was gone.

But, if you've read my stuff, would you say Better to Beg Forgiveness...had a similar flavor?

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I am shocked and appalled that you could forget me, Chris. Though what I may have to contribute is beyond me.

Nothing that you're particularly good at?
Okay, then you run Congress.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:59 AM

RIPWASH

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I am shocked and appalled that you could forget me, Chris. Though what I may have to contribute is beyond me.

Nothing that you're particularly good at?
Okay, then you run Congress.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:30 AM

Hero, you may have missed it, but there is evidence that at least SOME of the "fanatical" Republican Guard forces are showing signs of fealty to the opposition. Besides, it's not as if Musavi is some kind of radical reformer. He's still basically a figurehead for a theocracy, and he's still a fundamentalist. He's just not Ahmidinejad, although you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart by their policies.

What I'm interested in is what happens if the "loyal" military forces are ordered to crush the insurrection... and then they don't do it. What happens if they don't open fire? What happens if they actually turn on their "masters" who currently seem to be controlling the government?

Mike

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I am shocked and appalled that you could forget me, Chris. Though what I may have to contribute is beyond me.

Nothing that you're particularly good at?
Okay, then you run Congress.

The laughing Chrisisall

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Pay raises and extended vacations for everyone!!!

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

I've no doubt that you'd do a better job of it than either Reid or Pelosi have done - and that's coming from a "liberal"!

Mike

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Monday, June 22, 2009 1:14 PM

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But, if you've read my stuff, would you say Better to Beg Forgiveness...had a similar flavor?

Little bit, yes indeedy, also has a dash of Slammers flavor too, gonna make it a two-fer-one, as both CwC and this one are going on my "next batch" list.

Ringo's "The Road to Damascus" obviously occupies the must-read shelf, since most folk aware of political dangers from one end of the spectrum don't seem to realize the dangers from the other, and that book does the most fearfully accurate representation of how a liberal establishment can go bad that I have ever seen.

CwC is a bit closer to my world though, the dirty business of string pulling and manipulation, which if done WELL, when the knives *do* come out (and they always do, in the end) your opponents first awareness of your actual intentions is a shank in the spine...

Thus alleviating the problem of more direct confrontation, yes ?

Most certainly will be pickin up both books in my next batch from Baen.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, June 22, 2009 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

CwC is a bit closer to my world though, the dirty business of string pulling and manipulation, which if done WELL, when the knives *do* come out (and they always do, in the end) your opponents first awareness of your actual intentions is a shank in the spine...

Thus alleviating the problem of more direct confrontation, yes ?

Damn. You already know how it ends

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CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:20 PM

Actually no, I just know History, and Human Psychology as it relates to politics really, REALLY well - besides, I am far less interested in where the story goes than I am in how it's told.

That said, you're a right bastard, and a smart one - I just got done reading the preview for Beg-Forgiveness, and that's just eeeevil, cast the line, set the hook, pay out a little slack, and YOINK!
*laughs*

That just moved my next batch acquirement up to tomorrow afternoon, cause it's damn good stuff, and a wonderful reminder that there are worse frustrations than trying to run security in the badland burbs west of detroit in opposition to, and without support from, local police forces.

While never a truly viable option, oft-times nuking from orbit is a damned attractive one, isn't it ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, June 22, 2009 5:37 PM

Detroit?

Eww.

You DO realize that Kuwait City looked better after the invasion, and Baghdad still does, right?

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:04 PM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I want HKC for President, and Frem for vice.
THEN something good would be done in this gorram country.

Hell yes! Where do I send donations?

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:09 PM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
This is the weirdest conversation. Meddlesome. Yeah, all this talk about "what we should do" is itself utterly meddlesome. When are y'all gonna get it through your skulls that we DON'T run the world.

You know what we should do? We should, in a dignified way, simply apologize and see what comes of it.

The voice of reason, once again.

The only thing I'd add is, we kinda need to think about cutting back on the meddling along with the apologizing or it rings a little empty. I mean, it doesn't mean much for a bully to apologize for beating someone up while he's still standing over them with his fists clenched, ya know?

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Monday, June 22, 2009 8:35 PM