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Palin resigning as Alaska governor
Friday, July 3, 2009 3:19 PM
PENGUIN
Friday, July 3, 2009 4:19 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Friday, July 3, 2009 5:21 PM
CHRISISALL
Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: She's not retreating, she advancing in the opposite direction. LOL Ya gotta love her.
Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:51 AM
Saturday, July 4, 2009 5:22 AM
Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Ya gotta love her.
Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: Amerika loves quitters. That's what the Founding Fathers were, when they shot Chinese fireworks on the 4th of July and got arrested for DUI.
Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:47 AM
Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:04 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:49 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: I agree with the rumours that she thinks she's gonna be the next Rush Limbo.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 5:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 6:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Is that really a bad move? Former Republican Congressman John Kasich, best known for crafting the Republican's economic policy that lead to the growth and surplus of the late 1990's...
Quote: ...left Congress some years back (before the disasterous banking policy changes at the end of the Clinton administration).
Quote:He went on to host 'From the Heartland with John Kasich' on FoxNews. Now he is the leading contender to be the next Governor of Ohio.
Quote: Then there is the Nixon example. "You wont have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore" became "I, Richard Nixon do solomnly swear" about six years later.
Quote: As Governor she was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees defending the fivilous charges leveled against her by liberal attack groups.
Quote: This family was not wealthy, unlike most of America's political aristocracy. At the same time her administration had accomplished all of its goals and was being prevented by those same groups from going further.
Quote: This allows her to sell her book, go on the lecture circuit, and do a show...all of which gives her millions of income. Its unlikely she'll be able to mount a successful Presidential campaign. But she could still serve very well as symbolic party standard bearer for a few years.
Quote: That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012 or perhaps she could challenge Alaska's Democratic Senator when he's up for reelection in five years (which would give her a platform for a 2016 Presidential run).
Quote:I note for the record, she's actually done this before. Its a proven strategy that took her from an adminstrative position to the Governor's office.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:12 AM
RIPWASH
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: "Fivilous"? If you mean "frivolous", then that's cute. And when you say "liberal attack groups", do you mean liberal attack groups like Zane Henning, the conservative government watchdog who filed an ethics complaint alleging that Palin billed the state for her per diem while living at her house, and pocketed the cash? THAT "liberal attack group? Is that who you mean?
Quote:"Last fall we raised questions about longstanding practices within the Department of Administration regarding tax treatment of per diem payments," Kreitzer wrote in an exchange of e-mails over the past few days with the Daily News. "At the Governor's request, we reviewed the situation to determine whether we were in full compliance with the pertinent Internal Revenue Service regulations," Kreitzer wrote. "As a result of this review, we determined that per diem needs to be treated as income, requiring a revision of W-2 forms for any affected employees."
Quote:Standard bearer? What's the standard? "When the going gets tough, the tough... QUIT?" Is that the standard the GOP wants to run under?
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:29 AM
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:41 AM
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Is that really a bad move? Former Republican Congressman John Kasich, best known for crafting the Republican's economic policy that lead to the growth and surplus of the late 1990's... In Reagan's own words, "Well... there you go again." OF COURSE all of the good that happened under Clinton's leadership was all due to "trickle-down" from the Reagan years. Just as any BAD that happened during the Clinton era was completely the result of his own policies...
Quote: Quote:He went on to host 'From the Heartland with John Kasich' on FoxNews. Now he is the leading contender to be the next Governor of Ohio. Never heard of him.
Quote: Quote: Then there is the Nixon example. "You wont have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore" became "I, Richard Nixon do solomnly swear" about six years later. Boy, look how wonderfully THAT turned out for the nation! If that's the whole Palin strategy - she's hoping to "pull a Nixon" - then fates help us all.
Quote: Quote: As Governor she was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees defending the fivilous charges leveled against her by liberal attack groups. "Fivilous"? If you mean "frivolous", then that's cute.
Quote: Quote: This family was not wealthy, unlike most of America's political aristocracy. At the same time her administration had accomplished all of its goals and was being prevented by those same groups from going further. Can you name some of those goals?
Quote: Quote: This allows her to sell her book, go on the lecture circuit, and do a show...all of which gives her millions of income. Its unlikely she'll be able to mount a successful Presidential campaign. But she could still serve very well as symbolic party standard bearer for a few years. Standard bearer? What's the standard? "When the going gets tough, the tough... QUIT?" Is that the standard the GOP wants to run under?
Quote: Quote: That leaves her available for a cabnet post should we retake the White House in 2012 or perhaps she could challenge Alaska's Democratic Senator when he's up for reelection in five years (which would give her a platform for a 2016 Presidential run). If she doesn't quit and throw a hissy-fit first, that is...
Quote: Quote:I note for the record, she's actually done this before. Its a proven strategy that took her from an adminstrative position to the Governor's office. Yes, apparently Alaskans, for all their "tough-guy and -gal" image, really love a quitter. It's probably why so many of them, including Palin's husband, embrace secession. There's something about quitting that makes them feel like real "fighters" who "love a challenge".
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.?
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:11 AM
Quote: As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:17 AM
Quote: I say frivilous because they have ALL been found to be without merit.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: There's something about quitting that makes them feel like real "fighters" who "love a challenge".
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:27 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.? Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows. I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair. H "Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: He's hard enough on her himself. OK - I can't believe I just typed that. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:32 PM
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:36 PM
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:47 PM
Quote: Would you prefer a Kennedy example? I can think of two.
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 1:02 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.? Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows. I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair. H "Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009. Okay, were there actually any people claiming that Bristol was really Willow's mother, or are you just typing out your ass?
Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin. She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?! Mike Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day... Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 3:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Tell me - has anyone filed a lawsuit yet demanding Palin prove that she was born in the U.S.? Yes, the same people that claim that Malia Obama is actually Sasha Obama's mother and then make fun of Malia on talk shows. I note for the record that I've never seen a birth certificate for any elected official. In fact, I'm pretty sure Joe Bidden was never born...he evolved from John Kerry's original hair. H "Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009. Okay, were there actually any people claiming that Bristol was really Willow's mother, or are you just typing out your ass? I think Hero's referring to the fervor on the Left when Bristol was seen holding her BABY BROTHER and the Left ASSUMED it was her first child and she was pregnant with her second. The Left-wing blogs had a field day with that little bit of non-truth. Or are you just having a brain fart? ********************************************* "It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!" "What does that mean?!?!?!"
Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:00 AM
Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin. She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?! Mike Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day... Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one. Curious, that. ********************************************* "It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!" "What does that mean?!?!?!"
Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: As for quiting...I seem to recall a certain Senator from Illinois quiting his job and walking out because he didn't feel like doing it any more. He had a pretty good reason. So did Palin. She was just elected President of the United States? How did I miss that?! Mike Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day... Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one. Curious, that. ********************************************* "It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!" "What does that mean?!?!?!" And I think YOU missed entirely that one generally doesn't quit their current job in such a situation until and unless they win the election of the job they're trying to move up to. Curious, that. Did you make that omission on purpose, or do you really not see the difference? Obama quit his two previous jobs AFTER being elected to higher office. He DIDN'T quit those jobs and walk out after losing elections. See, in politics - and Senator McCain, will back me up on this, I'm sure, as will former President Bush - you keep your day job while running for higher office, and if you win that higher office, THEN you leave your day job. And Palin's complaint that she's quitting because she's a lame duck doesn't fly, either. By that rationale, Bush should have quit the day after the election in 2004, since he was a lame duck at that point. Furthermore, Palin was only a lame duck because she made herself one! SHE was the one who leaked the news that she wasn't going to run for reelection, and now she wants us to go along with her not wanting to do the job she was elected to do. As for her not being able to do the job with all the press around, why didn't she quit back in August of 2008, then? Mike Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day... Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:07 AM
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Another is still pending: A seemingly reasonable complaint about Palin charging the state per diem when she's living in her own house in Wasilla rather than the governor's mansion.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:23 AM
AGENTROUKA
Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY. One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her. I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY. One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her. I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office?
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:29 AM
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:33 AM
Quote:I think you missed entirely that the man you voted into office didn't finish his TWO previous jobs before moving on to his current one.
Quote: ... the familiar outlines were all in place and the pity party hummed in high gear: the unhinged liberal media had it in for Palin and wanted to drive her off the national stage. Liberals were smearing her. But then a funny thing happened -- scores of conservative commentators broke ranks with the "liberal media" brigade and decided Palin's political problems were of her own making. In other words, the beloved liberal media meme completely fractured under the weight of the Palin story. The front-line, knee-jerk troops were ready and eager to lob the ever-ready accusations, but it turned out that lots of Noise Machine generals weren't buying it, and instead of blaming the liberal media for Palin's disastrous weekend showing, they blamed ... Palin. Shocking, I know. But the maneuver left the right-wing foot soldiers completely exposed. For instance, Brent Bozell's NewsBusters whined that biased reporters on ABC, CBS, and NBC had called Palin's Friday press conference "bizarre." But as Media Matters' Jamison Foser asked, what other adjective could journalists have possibly used? "Bizarre" perfectly captured the jaw-dropping media event staged on the banks of Alaska's Lake Lucille in Wasilla. And sure enough, "bizarre" was the exact word conservative Times columnist Ross Douthat used to describe Palin's presser: But last Friday's bizarre, rambling resignation speech should take her off the political map for the duration of the Obama era. ... a pass {was given to} to conservative Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer for calling Palin's move "erratic" and "delusional," and to Karl Rove for admitting to being "perplexed" by Palin's unorthodox "no más" move. And that wasn't the half of it from the conservative chorus: "Giving up on an executive job a year and a half early isn't the best way to persuade voters you're ready for the more demanding rigors and scrutiny of the White House. ... Some Alaskans, including many of her admirers, can be forgiven if they conclude she bugged out when the going got rough." editorial, The Wall Street Journal; 07/07/2009 "If this is geared for her run for the presidency in 2012, it is one of the most politically tone deaf decisions that we've seen." GOP consultant Stuart Roy, ABCNews.com; 07/05/2009 "She dashed her chances of winning the 2012 nomination. ... Forget about Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012 and probably ever." Fred Barnes column, The Weekly Standard; 07/05/2009
Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: And - uhm, I and probably everyone else who is non-partisan and fair-minded - noticed you had nothing to say about her OTHER numerous LIES.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY. One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her. I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign? Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office?
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:27 AM
Quote:Posted by RIPWash: I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? I mean . . . other than just voting "Present." That's almost worse than quitting, if you ask me. It's running for an office on certain promises, doing the job for just a little while then ignoring those promises and your constituents to do something else entirely. It almost shows that he wasn't really thinking of public service, but serving his own interests.
Quote:At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY.
Quote:One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:40 AM
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:41 AM
Quote:Does she plan on touring the country giving speeches? If so, will she be carrying her own cross? I know she likes to jump up on it every chance she gets. SHE is the one who trotted her kids out as props in the mad parade of politics. Let's hold her to her words: She says she doesn't want her family in the spotlight anymore; let's see how long she tries to keep them out of the spotlight before she starts pimping them out again.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:44 AM
Quote:And as Rue pointed out, most of the complaints filed against her are by Alaskans... Republican Alaskans at that. And most of the criticism about her quitting is coming from Republicans too.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: At least you're not arguing that he DIDN'T quit. You're just arguing over WHY. One quit to move on to supposedly bigger and better things, the other quit because of what she felt was overly harassing behavior by those who opposed her. I get what Obama was doing. But I'm just sayin' . . . he ran for one office, then basically started running for the higher office immediately afterward. How much do you think he was actually accomplishing in his "current" job while having to be on the campaign trail for the higher office? By that logic, shouldn't Palin have quit the moment she was picked for VP during the campaign? Or, you know, refused to campaign at all, since she was already holding an office? And that arguement wouldn't hold true for Obama WHY exactly? Shouldn't he have quit his previous position the very same moment he announced his intentions to run for the higher office? ********************************************* "It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!" "What does that mean?!?!?!"
Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RIPWash: Seriously. I wonder if you guys even fully READ my posts sometimes
Quote: #1 I said I didn't understand why she quit or necessarily agreed with it.
Quote: #2 It was my intention to say he SHOULD have quit one office when he announced his intention to run for the other because that makes that a time of "limbo". IMHO, there's very little that can be done effectively in the office he was holding if he was out campaigning for the other office. Does that hold true for Palin? Probably so. I can't honestly hold it to one and not the other. Happy now?
Quote: #3 My "supposedly" was implying that the "bigger and better" was not a sure thing. His election TO the "bigger and better" was not certain.
Quote: If she wants to stay out of the spotlight, then by all means stay out. But I also won't begrudge her return if she so choses.
Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:50 AM
Quote:But then went into all sorts of rhetorical contortions trying to explain and defend it.
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