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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah. I haven't liked what I've been seeing with the government for maybe ten years now. Before then, I was too young to pay attention, and hadn't read what I have now.

So I'm pretty new at this resist the government civil dissent stuff. From what I've observed, seems like the best thing I can do is stay informed and don't take anything for granted, because you can get lied to. And to not dismiss a concern about the government that the people around you consider paranoia, because better safe than sorry.

The more I know, the more I can use that knowledge. Don't know how to shoot a gun, don't really want to learn, so that's my contribution to making things better.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?

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Obama has a valid USA passport. He has met whatever burden of proof they require, which includes a birth certificate or naturalization papers. Sounds fine with me. If you want to hold him to a HIGHER standard of proof, have at it. Keep it up! I'm sure you'll find the answer.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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The SickyNym/Ruetard Attack Squad Axis is back in action , performing their reflexive ad hominem attacks , ad nauseum...The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office..

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Did I attack YOU, Out2Nowhere? My post, you sh^tstick, was not a personal attack. And Rue's was an EXAMPLE of of WHY the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Something about presumed innocent... a concept you seem to have a serious problem with. (As you do with a lot of concepts, apparently. One of them being polite conversation.) Are you such a moron that you didn't get that point?

So, if you really thought my previous post was ad hominem, I thought I'd give you one, you friggin' retard.

Obama has a valid USA passport. Go f*ck yourself, if you can figure out which end is which.

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PN posted some examples of non-native presidents causing bad issues in other nations...

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You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?

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Any moment now , Squicko and ShittiZen will no doubt join the dogpile , and start flinging go se , correct ?

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Show your CITES , attack-drone Squicko !

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Logic: Not Out2Lunch's strong point.

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Originally posted by Hero:

Normally I leave the 'Obama Not Natural Born' stuff to PN and the crazytalkers.

I fully expected the military to go after this guy arguing the same arguments used successfully in past suits to preclude the discovery process from going foreward. The nature of this case made that more difficult.

...suddenly the usual "we don't have to respond" argument does not work.

...I am now of the opinion that the question needs to be settled, so it is my hope that soldiers will continue to challenge the President in such numbers until he produces the document.

Thats the whole point. One document, simple solution, and we can all point and laugh at the crazytalkers.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
' "...No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the Office of President.

--United States Constitution, article II


Despite its. apparent simplicity, the natural-born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.

It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.

It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." '

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

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'"Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as president, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiff’s inspection and authentication: namely, the 'long-form' birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961," explains the complaint.

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You should not infer anything that I did not imply...

I'm a plain talker...

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It's only a non-issue if the baby goes out with the bathwater .

In this case , the 'baby' is the Constitution , which , like it or not , still requires BOTH of a Presidential candidates' parents to be US Citizens capable of conferring citizenship upon their child by virtue of his being 'natural-born', in other words , native to the United States...

Plain and simple...

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In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed.

Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II," it lists his father's race as "African" and his mother's as "Caucasian," it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an
altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.)

Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.

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Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ahhhhh.... you're right. Out2Lunch would just call them Operatives, and PN would post another one of his crazy-talker "source" videos.

Still, it's kinda fun to watch.

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Originally posted by Cuda77:
You have now lost the little remaining credibility you had with me by posting what Michelle Bachman thinks.

I still hate the people of my district for voting for her.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!

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So only American citizens are worth listening too?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't worry, Cuda - if Bachman gets her way, she won't have a job after next year anyway! In her crackpot ranting for people to refuse to respond to next year's census, she apparently overlooked the fact that congressional districts are drawn based on census information. If only as few as 2000-3000 people in her district take her advice, Minnesota will lose a seat in the House - and since hers is the newest, it's the first one gone!

Congratulations, Representative Bachman - you've put yourself out of work!

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I didn't even know Dobbs had a radio show.

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The philosopher and Consul Cicero, saw the hands he was writing with chopped off, and nailed to the Senate door. And that is not an imaginary anecdote a la Reagan. It was meant to impress those too willing to write down smart thoughts.

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Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On His First Day In The White House
www.freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-relea
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Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

UPDATE: At the time this post was published it appears as though we may have been misinterpreting the section of US Code covered by this Executive Order.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, since you're still typing, I guess we can surmise that YOUR hands haven't been chopped off, ergo the idiocracy isn't scared of YOUR words or thoughts. Guess you must be one of the ones they're catering to, eh? One of the idiots?

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you , and the sickynym-ruetard axis

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"... in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court said a child born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen regardless of their parents' citizenship

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

...I don't particularly care where my politicians were born. None of my support for, nor objection to, any presidential candidate has been based on their place of birth. There are actual real reasons to like or not like the leadership in this country that have nothing to do with birthplace.

It is these merits of actual conduct and design that demand the installation or removal of leaders. I consider the issue of birth to be a mere technicality, and in a proper governmental system, it wouldn't bloody matter where you were from. It would matter what you did.

--Anthony

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Now, IF I cared about Obama's birth certificate, I'd have to note that he has produced a Hawaiian short form Birth document, and that a government official in Hawaii has certified that a long form document is retained on record. I don't know why portions of the short form document have been redacted. Perhaps it is a privacy issue. Obama might have been born a woman, and had a sex change. If I cared about where he was born, it would be enough that the government agencies and authorities pledged to confirm this have done so.

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Lou Dobbs: "Obama, the Undocumented President"

In part, Klein writes, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef." Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes President Obama's original birth certificate.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/major-civil-rights-group_n_244532.ht
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Wait a minute, you're saying you like having a republic for a government, and think that Democracy is the reason California is failing? Even though a republic necessarily limits your voice and free speech?

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