Scare Force One photos released! by Skywalken

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Skywalken:
Remember back in April when the Obama administration terrorized the people of Manhattan at the cost of around $328,835 to the taxpayers.

Yeah... Good times. The good old days.

Hey - remember way back in March 2003, when the Bush administration lied us into an invasion and occupation of Iraq which still goes on today, at a cost to the taxpayers of well over two trillion dollars, and counting?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Friday, July 31, 2009 12:00 PM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Skywalken:
Remember back in April when the Obama administration terrorized the people of Manhattan at the cost of around $328,835 to the taxpayers.

Yeah... Good times. The good old days.

Hey - remember way back in March 2003, when the Bush administration lied us into an invasion and occupation of Iraq which still goes on today, at a cost to the taxpayers of well over two trillion dollars, and counting?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

And Kennedy & Johnson gave us Vietnam, can we trash Obama about anything? Maybe we should all meet for a beer, I like Coors, a good "AMERICAN" made beer.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 12:00 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Hey - remember way back in March 2003, when the Bush administration lied us into an invasion and occupation of Iraq which still goes on today, at a cost to the taxpayers of well over two trillion dollars, and counting?

But Mike, it's okay to spend money as long as you get results. The Airforce One flyby only scared the shit out of peeps; no one died. That makes it an unacceptable expenditure.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, July 31, 2009 12:03 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by whozit:

And Kennedy & Johnson gave us Vietnam

Yeah, that kind of made them idiotic tools in my book.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, July 31, 2009 12:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah, we remember them fondly.

NOT.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by whozit:

And Kennedy & Johnson gave us Vietnam
Yeah, that kind of made them idiotic tools in my book.

The laughing Chrisisall

Of course, then Nixon took the ball and REALLY ran with it, expanding an already illegal "war" (never declared) into Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand.

Sometimes I get the feeling that Dubya wasn't so much trying to emulate Reagan as he was hoping to be the second coming of Nixon. And he largely succeeded - he trampled all over the Constitution, wiped his ass with the Bill of Rights, shit all over his own people and the rest of the world, committed numerous illegal acts which he claimed were NOT illegal because he was the President, and like Nixon, he left an utter and complete disgrace, with the vast majority of the world hating him. Even his own party couldn't run far enough fast enough to get clear of his curse. Hell, now even his own Vice President is throwing him under the bus!

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Friday, July 31, 2009 2:07 PM

But, but Bush...

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Friday, July 31, 2009 2:17 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Yeah, somehow that long list of everything Bush did wrong just blew in one ear and out the other.

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Quite a wind-tunnel you've got going there.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 2:23 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Skywalken:

Now the Pentagon has released new photos from that incident.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/newyorkcityflyover

Page 101 looks sufficiently terrifyin to use on a movie poster.

The only question is, was a robot in control?

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Friday, July 31, 2009 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But, but Bush...

Glad you agree!

Or are you still trying to distance yourself from your "messiah"?

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Friday, July 31, 2009 3:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Glad you agree!

That in twenty years you will still be blaming Bush.

News reporter: Heavy American casualties today in Afghanistan as President Obama increases the American presence on the ground.
Kwicko: But, but Bush caused American casualties by increasing American presence in Iraq.

News reporter: President Obama announced massive tax increases to middle income Americans today in advance of rolling out his new health care plan.
Kwicko: But, but Bush strained middle class taxpayers with his war in Iraq.

News reporter: This just in, President Obama raced through a stop sign today killing several innocent bystanders.
Kwicko: But, but Bush killed more innocent bystanders in Iraq.

News reporter: Democratic President Smith was adamant that in spite of the mounting casualties in our war against the martians, we must forge ahead to defeat this scourge.
Very old Kwicko: But, but, Bush killed folks too back in some country or something...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Or are you still trying to distance yourself from your "messiah"?

Which "messiah" are you refering to? The made up one in your head that all people who disagree with you must worship?

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Friday, July 31, 2009 3:50 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Yeah, somehow that long list of everything Bush did wrong just blew in one ear and out the other.

But, but Clinton.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 3:55 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

The photos are disappointing. Not particularly vibrant or beautiful.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, July 31, 2009 3:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Re: Nixon/Bush.

Look at Nixons cabinet and advisors.
Look at Fords cabinet and advisors.

Then look at Bushs cabinet and advisors.

There's a REASON I want these folks swingin from a rope or rotting in a cell, and you let it go, them and their proteges will be back and do even more damage.

-F

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Friday, July 31, 2009 4:03 PM

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That in twenty years you will still be blaming Bush.

News reporter: Heavy American casualties today in Afghanistan as President Obama increases the American presence on the ground.
Kwicko: But, but Bush caused American casualties by increasing American presence in Iraq.

News reporter: President Obama announced massive tax increases to middle income Americans today in advance of rolling out his new health care plan.
Kwicko: But, but Bush strained middle class taxpayers with his war in Iraq.

News reporter: This just in, President Obama raced through a stop sign today killing several innocent bystanders.
Kwicko: But, but Bush killed more innocent bystanders in Iraq.

Wow, you're quite the optimist - you think Obama will still be President in 20 years?

But, but Carter...

Or, better yet, "but, but FDR!"

Or are you saying that the actions and policies of one administration in no way have any impact or repercussions on the future? Will you go on record right now and say that every single thing that went wrong under Bush was entirely his own fault, and can in no way be linked to or attributed to Clinton, or to Bush Senior?

'Course, if you do that, you also have to take away credit for anything good that might happen. Guess Bushie the First gets all the credit for the collapse of the former Soviet Union. Sorry, Ronnie, but it wasn't on your watch, so it had nothing to do with your policies.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 5:12 PM

Just a commentary about not seeing the forest for the trees.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 5:44 PM

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Just a commentary about not seeing the forest for the trees.

And a damned lousy one at that.

You seem to constantly be saying that whatever problems Obama is trying to deal with, none of them have anything whatsoever to do with Bush. Like Obama just woke up on January 20, 2009 to find that while he was at the inauguration ceremony, the economy collapsed and two wars suddenly broke out.

The AF1 stunt was a stupid idea, and it cost too much to do it. But the people most upset by the cost of that stunt are also usually the same people LEAST upset by the stunt of invading Iraq for no reason whatsoever, at an ENORMOUS cost in both money (in the trillions, and still counting) and lives (closing in on 5000 American lives, and who knows how many Iraqi lives lost - figures range from as few as 100,000 to as many as 650,000 or more).

So yes, in the scheme of forests and trees, this stunt isn't even a leaf.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 6:42 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think it is possible to make legitimate criticism about the current president and current events no matter what your past political beliefs and positions were.

And we should encourage any legitimate criticism. It strengthens the country.

The overflight was handled poorly by people in government. The pictures are sorely disappointing. (I had hoped for vibrant colors and such, but they seem rather muted.)

I think someone with an hour on their hands and a photoshop program could have created more compelling propaganda pictures of Air Force One.

In short, the incident was fail from beginning to end, and your opinion of the Iraq war is not connected to making that determination.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the 'Scare Force One' incident was a good idea.

I also don't think anyone is arguing (at least I hope not) that it is the most bone-headed thing government has done in the past few years.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 2:55 AM

Thanks, Anthony - a reasoned response, as usual.

For the record, YES, it was a stupid idea. I'm glad the guy behind it is gone (one source said he was fired, but I seem to remember him handing in his resignation, but either way, he's outta there). I have seen a couple of the photos that DID look really good - but they aren't included in this list. Maybe these are the ones they left out as not being good enough. I do know when you're taking photos, you take one hell of a lot of them in hopes of getting that ONE good one.

But yeah, in the pantheon of stupid ideas, this one isn't much more than a zit on a flea's ass.

You want something you can criticize Obama's administration on, all on its own? Something it owes nothing to the Bush years for? Let's talk health care reform. Rather than take a stand and promise to veto any bill that doesn't include a public option or single-payer system, Obama is looking to get ANY bill that he can sign, regardless of whether it's a GOOD bill or not, regardless of whether it actually DOES ANYTHING or not. He's more focused on "the win" in political terms (saying he did health care reform) than in actually doing anything substantive about health care reform.

When you bring up stuff like Afghanistan, Iraq, torture, wiretaps, and the economic meltdown, it's kinda hard to have a discussion of those things WITHOUT bringing Bush into it, since they have such deep roots in his administration's policies. None of which is to say that I'm completely happy with the Obama administration's actions on any of those issues.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:17 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

To my mind, an important precedent was set just after World War II. It was a worldwide precedent, and a good example for all nations.

That having been said, I do not expect all nations to follow all good examples and fine precedents. I do expect our nation to do so. The principles behind the post WW II trials were good ones, and served to ensure that tyranny would always have one less leg to stand on.

The basic principle was this: If you do something immoral and illegal, it does not matter if you did it 'under orders.' Being 'under orders' will not protect you. Make damn sure, before you violate someone's rights, that you understand it is YOUR ass that will be in jail right next to your superiors.

Obama has twice now helped to make decisions which reverse this precedent in the United States, much to my dismay. It is these two decisions, one before his presidency and one after, that give me the most concern for the conduct of his presidency. It is less helpful to have a non-tyrant working in government if he helps ensure the safety of tyrants that came before him and will come after him.

Interestingly, these two plain and obvious missteps in his policies are largely overlooked by his critics in favor of more minor offenses.

On the issue of Heath Care, Obama is brilliant in his attempts to get any bastardized version of the thing approved. It really does not matter what kind of crippled cow limps onto the national stage.

The reason it does not matter, is because government programs have two interesting properties:

1) They are seldom canceled, even when they prove ineffective.

2) When they prove ineffective, they are often expanded and additionally funded in order to remedy their problems.

Hence, if any Health Care reform is passed, it is a monster that can be fed until it reaches the gargantuan proportions of size and inefficiency that we have all come to expect and love from our Federal Government.

I myself have no idea how to best achieve the noble goal of 'high quality health care for everyone.' It is a goal I would very much like to see accomplished.

I do have great faith in the government's ability to achieve, 'low quality health care for everyone.'

This is, of course, an improvement for those who have no health care or who suffer under the yoke of the worst health care plans. It is a step down for everyone else.

I expect that there will be no option to opt out of the government plan. It is something we will all pay for regardless of our intention to make use of it. So I'll probably be on it eventually, even though I'm satisfied with my current Health Insurance. I won't be able to afford increased taxes AND private health care.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, August 3, 2009 9:39 AM

RIPWASH

Okay.... Back on task here. The photos.

Ya know . . . if you scroll through the PDF really fast, it looks like a bad flip-book.

I can see it now! On novelty store shelves! Children's section. Flip book of Air Force One flying over Mannhattan! It'll sell millions and millions of dollars . . .

Or not.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

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Monday, August 3, 2009 1:16 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think it is possible to make legitimate criticism about the current president and current events no matter what your past political beliefs and positions were.

And we should encourage any legitimate criticism. It strengthens the country.

The overflight was handled poorly by people in government. The pictures are sorely disappointing. (I had hoped for vibrant colors and such, but they seem rather muted.)

I think someone with an hour on their hands and a photoshop program could have created more compelling propaganda pictures of Air Force One.

In short, the incident was fail from beginning to end, and your opinion of the Iraq war is not connected to making that determination.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the 'Scare Force One' incident was a good idea.

I also don't think anyone is arguing (at least I hope not) that it is the most bone-headed thing government has done in the past few years.

--Anthony

Are you not counting 9-11-01 ?

Or , does that not count because it was the
' Shadow Government ' ?

Agree with all the rest of your points...The Photoshop dude with stock pictures could have done a far better job , for far less than almost $ 330,000...

Heck and shoot , those frickin' E-4's are at MY airport all the dang time , for ' touch and goes ' , and ILS approaches...Plenty of photo ops available , without costing all the extra dough...

Shows what bureaucrats are capable of , just like giving car keys and a case of liquor to teenage boys...

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Monday, August 3, 2009 2:10 PM