Cash-stapped Cuba says toilet paper running short by whozit

Olbermann is in high demand there......and he's stupid.

I'm sure RUE and/or KWICKO will change the title

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090807/lf_nm_life/us_cuba_crisis_toiletpa
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Saturday, August 8, 2009 5:03 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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I'm sure RUE and/or KWICKO will change the title

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2009080/If_nm_life/us_cuba_crisis_toiletpap
er_1

Follow the link, and you get this:

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Article not found or expired on Yahoo! News

Brilliant work as usual, Zit.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 5:15 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

I'm sure RUE and/or KWICKO will change the title

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2009080/If_nm_life/us_cuba_crisis_toiletpap
er_1

Follow the link, and you get this:

Quote:
Article not found or expired on Yahoo! News

Brilliant work as usual, Zit.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

It's working now, read about Cuba's need for Olbermann's face!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:16 AM

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Hello,

These 'comedic' titles are not only tiresome, but they actually serve to stifle any intelligent discussion of the subject at hand.

-Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:31 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

These 'comedic' titles are not only tiresome, but they actually serve to stifle any intelligent discussion of the subject at hand.

-Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

It's a funny story, comedic titles are eye catching. Can we have an intelligent disscussion and have fun?

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:42 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yes, but not with you because you're neither.

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:50 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes, but not with you because you're neither.

Please go back up Barry's ass

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:01 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

See what I mean?
Neither. Tsk tsk....

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:03 AM

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Hello,

What is it exactly about chronic shortages affecting my family that makes you want to laugh, Whozit?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

What is it exactly about chronic shortages affecting my family that makes you want to laugh, Whozit?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

It's TOILET PAPER for GODS sake! You and Sig have sucked any humor out of this post. I'm not going to stop posting threads I think are funny, if that pisses you both off then don't reply. You "Big Brains" nit-pick everything!.......and Olbermann is stupid!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ummm... four-year-olds find toilet paper funny. Hard to suck humor outta something that had none.

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ummm... four-year-olds find toilet paper funny. Hard to suck humor outta something that had none.

You changed the title, and you're stupid

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:11 AM

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Hello Whozit,

You retarded sponge-brained monkey. Much of my family is starving and destitute in a hostile country where they can't get the barest essentials for survival.

If that gives you a happy hard-on, why don't you lean wayyy forward in an attempt to suck your own syphilitic cock, until you snap your neck and rid the world of your infantile inanity?

Thank you,

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You changed the title

Well, yeah. It's a kind of "truth-in-advertising" thing. This way, everyone knows who wrote it and what it's about. Use honest titles next time.

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:18 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Whozit,

You retarded sponge-brained monkey. Much of my family is starving and destitute in a hostile country where they can't get the barest essentials for survival.

If that gives you a happy hard-on, why don't you lean wayyy forward in an attempt to suck your own syphilitic cock, until you snap your neck and rid the world of your infantile inanity?

Thank you,

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

So send them money dickhead! You seem to be doing OK, you got a PC! Send your family some cash!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:32 AM

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Hello Whozit,

You can't do it, can you? You can't say, "Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that this difficulty might be real to someone, and might not make a good target for laughs."

Instead, you have to persist in utter, mind-numbing ignorance.

Despite an embargo making things difficult, me and my family here in the states has been sending supplies to my family in Cuba since Castro took power.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Whozit,

You can't do it, can you? You can't say, "Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that this difficulty might be real to someone, and might not make a good target for laughs."

Instead, you have to persist in utter, mind-numbing ignorance.

Despite an embargo making things difficult, me and my family here in the states has been sending supplies to my family in Cuba since Castro took power.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Welcome to America! Here you have to take care of youself, since your family is in Cuba what the hell am I to do? Tell them to motor to Florida on a 57 Buick and join us! Why are they there and you're here? How'd that happen? I don't care. You're HERE enjoying our country, why'll your family is is eatting bugs? That's my fault?

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:19 AM

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Hello Whozit,

Try to force your singular brain-cell to actually do some thinking, will you?

I'm not telling you that anything is your fault.

I'm telling you not to laugh at my impoverished Cuban family, struggling to survive.

Right now, you're the only asswipe in this thread.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:39 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

For ZIT to have a thought, he'd have to have two brain cells. I think he's one short.

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ZIT - why don't you go pop yourself, eh ?

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Whozit,

Try to force your singular brain-cell to actually do some thinking, will you?

I'm not telling you that anything is your fault.

I'm telling you not to laugh at my impoverished Cuban family, struggling to survive.

Right now, you're the only asswipe in this thread.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Why are they impoverished and your not? Your future family will grow up in a FREE country, while your family is in Cuba is waitting for Castro to fall dead. Enjoy what this counrty has to offer while you wait for Castro to drop dead. Don't make me feel guilty, while you are free to bitch and wine about what ever on your PC.

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 11:39 AM

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Hello Whozit,

Make you feel guilty? You thin-hearted sack of fermented dog turds.

No one could possibly make you feel guilty.

Even as you point and laugh at starving people, you're a bloody guiltless wonder.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:13 PM

Anthony, don't let him get to ya. It seems pretty obvious that he's touched a nerve, and that makes him happy.

I for one hope Castro dies muy pronto, because I think it will give us a golden opportunity to try to jump-start relations with Cuba in a NEW way, and hopefully we'll be able to actually help them where they need it most.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:25 PM

Particularly as Castro offered two shiploads of medical supplies and hundreds of trained doctors and medical personnel to assist relief efforts after Katrina...

Double that as after the help was refused the US gov failed to provide the same themselves

Too bad the king of dog turds ( Bush ) couldn't accept an olive branch

Mind you I think the entire US / Cuba relations problem was an American problem from the onset,

Like so many others

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Anthony, thankfully one rule that reigns supreme, blockades and embargos notwitstanding, is that commerce continues.

If didn't think it would bring more risk to you than benefit, I'd offer assistance on that front.

-F

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:43 PM

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Hello,

I appreciate the sentiments.

We are all hoping that the U.S. will choose to end all sanctions against Cuba soon.

If people here could visit, trade with, and invest in Cuba freely, the Cuban people would realize a prosperity last known by the eldest generation.

Early signs are that relations are beginning to thaw and sanctions are beginning to relax, but that can't happen quickly enough.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Even as you point and laugh at starving people, you're a bloody guiltless wonder.

So this particular thread hit close to home for you. That is unfortunate but also part of life.
I'm not sure anyone could make a comment about anything in this world without offending someone. Do you think police officers would be happy about some of the threads here? Or how about some of the postings about soldiers? Is it okay for someone to tell lawyer jokes? How about some of the comments regarding 'rednecks'? Do you think any liberals or conservatives might find anything troubling on these boards? How about capitalists? Socialists? Union members? Christians and Muslims? What about the North Koreans? Ever see any anti-Isreal postings?
Isn't free speech great?
Perhaps a discussion about communism vs. capitalism could have ensued. Instead a flame war developed (yeah, I'm looking at you Signy).
Not trying to belittle your concerns, just adding my two cents.

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:33 PM

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Hello,

You get what you pay for, so to speak.

If the thread author had been interested in the sorts of enlightened discussions you describe, he would have invested in it.

Free Speech is a wonderful right, BigDamnNobody.

But it isn't the right to be an unopposed jerk.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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your family is in Cuba...Tell them to motor to Florida on a 57 Buick and join us!

Do you have ANY notion at all that the Atlantic Ocean separates Florida and Cuba??? Are you REALLY that stupid????

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Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:42 PM

The Zit ain't burdened with an overabundance of learnin'.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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If people here could visit, trade with, and invest in Cuba freely, the Cuban people would realize a prosperity last known by the eldest generation.

Not "the Cuban people", Tony. Just SOME people. A very small percentage.

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Batista allowed Cuba to become a playground for America’s rich. Just fifty miles from Florida, rich Americans would fly out to Havana to gamble and to enjoy the good life. Nothing could have been in more stark contrast to the lives of poverty led by the Cuban poor....Student demonstrations in Havana were brutally dealt with by police and student leaders were murdered by men who were outside of the law.... The number of poor Cubans who had not benefited from the vast sums of money that had been invested and spent in Cuba far outweighed those who had benefited. These people were ideal targets for the likes of Castro and Ché Guevara who had gone to Cuba to assist Castro.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/fulgencio_batista.htm

You think that Castro interrupted a trajectory towards a glorious future. But think Haiti, or the current conditions in Nicaragua, Guatemala and Colombia. It's likely that Cuba would have descended into chaos, perhaps have become the major supplier of illicit drugs to the USA, with an established narco-dictatorship.

The biggest problem that Cuba has IS the embargo. Without energy resources its very hard to build an economy. I get from your posts, Tony, that your family was perhaps in the higher rather than lower class in Cuba, which explains your outlook.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:10 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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your family is in Cuba...Tell them to motor to Florida on a 57 Buick and join us!
Do you have ANY notion at all that the Atlantic Ocean separates Florida and Cuba??? Are you REALLY that stupid????

Guess it is too old for there to be any pictures.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/06/cuba.car.reut/index.html

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:16 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Be hard to motor on the water though. OOPS ! I guess you didn't figure that out.

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BTW - when you find yourself on Zit's side, it might be time to reconsider your position.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:23 AM

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Hello,

Signy, there is no great illusion in the Cuban exile community about Batista or the route of Cuba under his leadership. Most of my family that left Cuba did so before Castro took power. They did so legally, going through the various hoops necessary to become U.S. citizens by proper means. They did this under Batista because the U.S. presented a brighter future than Cuba did.

Just the same, the very modest resources and opportunities available to the average Cuban during Batista's regime was so startlingly different than now, you would almost consider the 'working poor' person of Batista's time an 'upper middle class' person now.

My grandfather on my father's side is a good example. He worked at a sugarcane mill during part of the year. He was part of a 'company town' where almost everyone worked at the mill during part of the year. The rest of the year, the people in the town did odd jobs to make ends meet. A lot of survival during the off season was a product of barter and home-grown assets.

And by home-grown assets I mean that every family had a house with a big plot of land on it. My grandfather had a pen with chickens, a couple pigs, fifty or so fruit-bearing trees, and a vegetable garden. He, a poor mill worker, still managed to maintain this bounty on partial-years wages. Starving was never a concern. Other neighbors grew different things on their little plots of land. Potatoes, corn, whatever. Not enough to make you rich, but enough to survive the lean seasons. People traded for variety.

This dirt-poor prosperity is the kind last known by the eldest generation. I don't mean to put images of grandeur in your head. Castro's property reforms, farm reforms, and deconstruction of foreign investment helped to destroy this simple prosperity. You have no idea how much better off the average Cuban would be if they could just return to that imperfect life.

No one croons about the Batista years as a time of perfection. Just as being a hell of a lot better than what's going on now.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:59 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Tony- If life under Batista was so great, why did Castro succeed? Your landowning family was in the minority.

Interestingly,

Quote:
Over the past few months, the Cuban government under President Raul Castro has announced a series of reforms to the island nation’s agriculture and food production policies. In a move to boost food production, the Cuban government will redistribute unused state-owned land to individual farmers and cooperatives. The land allotments offered will vary between 33 to 99 acres according to a July 18 Granma article.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Be hard to motor on the water though. OOPS ! I guess you didn't figure that out.

It's called being whimsical Rue, might want to look to that.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Tony- If life under Batista was so great, why did Castro succeed? Your landowning family was in the minority.

Interestingly,
Quote:
Over the past few months, the Cuban government under President Raul Castro has announced a series of reforms to the island nation’s agriculture and food production policies. In a move to boost food production, the Cuban government will redistribute unused state-owned land to individual farmers and cooperatives. The land allotments offered will vary between 33 to 99 acres according to a July 18 Granma article.

If the US hadn't of acted with such hostility...

ie without embargo and threat of attack

would Fidels policys would have been different ?

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
If the US hadn't of acted with such hostility...

ie without embargo and threat of attack

would Fidels policys would have been different ?

And if the Nazi's hadn't of acted with such hostility...

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:49 AM

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BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

Just a 'pie in the sky' observation.
If only the US hadn't of imposed the embargo.
If only Cuba hadn't aligned with the Soviets.
If only the UN did not create the state of Israel.
If only the Nazi's had stayed local.
If only the great crusades hadn't happened.
If only the Romans had left Christ alone.
If only Eve hadn't eaten that apple.
Catch my drift?

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

Wait, wait - don't tell me... he was being "whimsical"!

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

Read it again Signy... he is comparing Hitler to Kennedy

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

Just a 'pie in the sky' observation.
If only the US hadn't of imposed the embargo.
If only Cuba hadn't aligned with the Soviets.
If only the UN did not create the state of Israel.
If only the Nazi's had stayed local.
If only the great crusades hadn't happened.
If only the Romans had left Christ alone.
If only Eve hadn't eaten that apple.
Catch my drift?

Sure it is pie in the sky, but everything that happens is the consequence of an earlier decision.

You can learn anything from history without thinking " hey where did we go wrong "

I think you could look at the support the US put behind Batista as the main mistake...

Castro wasn't the only out to change things in Cuba, he was just the one who got it done... without US support maybe somebody more moderate takes over... thats the trouble with backing tyrants.. you no longer have any room to maneuver.

Another example of this very same mistake is Iran and US backing of the shah...

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN- Along what lines do you equate Hitler with Castro?

Read it again Signy... he is comparing Hitler to Kennedy

Read it again Gino, I was doing no such thing.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait, wait - don't tell me... he was being "whimsical"!

Right, and boats don't have motors.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait, wait - don't tell me... he was being "whimsical"!

Right, and boats don't have motors.

I posted
" Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
If the US hadn't of acted with such hostility...

you posted
And if the Nazi's hadn't of acted with such hostility...

so the comparison is US and Nazis isn't it?

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:40 PM

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Hello Signy,

Life under Batista wasn't 'so great.'

Remember, my family came to the U.S. under Batista to improve their lot in life. My 'land owning' family wasn't rare or unique at all. Their no-plumbing rural town house with its big backyard was neither above par nor special in any particular, and they were certainly not wealthier than average.

Castro came to power because people wanted to see greater prosperity for the poor, less power in the hands of corporations, and a more equitable distribution of resources for all Cubans. You might say the forces that led to a successful revolution were similar to (though obviously a different scale to) the forces that swept Obama into a victorious presidential bid.

People were NOT happy, and they wanted Change.

They had no inkling or conception about how terribly bad things were going to become, how horribly screwed they were going to be. It never occurred to them that a government that was supposed to be taking care of you could anally rape you so long, so hard, and without any lubrication.

It is only now, in wounded and starved retrospect, that the Batista days look good. No one at the time could have known they were living in the best of the next five decades.

Sometimes, Signy, things do go from Bad to Worse.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I posted
" Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
If the US hadn't of acted with such hostility...

you posted
And if the Nazi's hadn't of acted with such hostility...

so the comparison is US and Nazis isn't it?

No. I like to deal in reality, not in hypotheticals.
How would the world have changed if the Nazi's had not risen to power in Germany? Who cares, The point is moot. Much like saying things would not be so bad in Cuba if not for the US embargo.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:48 PM

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Hello,

That's like telling a man who has just been shot in the chest:

"Hey, I don't deal in hypotheticals. Would your life be longer without that bullet that pierced your heart? Maybe. Who can know?"

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 5:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

And if the Nazi's hadn't of acted with such hostility...

I thought you didn't deal in hypotheticals.

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 5:55 PM