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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Problem Plain, to many of these kids dont have a Mom AND Dad... they just have a Mom... usually bitter at the way life turned out.

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AgentRouka wrote:

As an observer, I always felt much of it was backlash against her anti-city, anti-"elite" rethoric, though. The term "real Americans" being thrown around and such. Am I completely off-track?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BTW- I read the originally posed article and meant to reply earlier but didn't have the time. Forgive me if I tread old ground, but there're too many posts for me to read, so here's my take:

My first question was Is this real?, or is a bitter rant? My answer is: Yes, it IS real. I've seen videos of a school that looks and sounds just like this. OTOH, that school was widely known as being out of control, even compared to other black schools in the area. So while the post could be real, it sounds like its not typical.

So I started thinking about the kids, and why they are the way they are: predatory towards each other, callous towards themselves, totally unaware of the larger world around them, and that they are in a hell that... while perhaps not of their own genesis... is certainly well within their power to stop. IF they change their collective behavior. (But yanno what? We can't even get a neighborhood of white privileged grownups to change their behavior collectively, so it's unrealistic to expect kids with limited vision to change theirs, dontcha think?)

And what it all boils down to is a hellhole created by a combination of poverty, racism, and capitalism. A misery of dog-eat-dogism, where everyone can and will be taken advantage of, and any tender feelings or bonds of loyalty are weaknesses. Where kids feel they're worth nothing... because they ARE worth nothing.

Been up close a personal with dysfunctional black families and culture. Moms drag their kids around like so much meat, or leave them at home to fend for themselves. Grups hardly ever talk to kids except to bark at them. Anyone who has money or resources is immediately mooched off, with no expectation of repayment. You grow up thinking of yourself and ONLY yourself. You CAN'T put yourselves in someone else's shoes and therefore you CAN'T imagine anything different.

In order for these kids to learn, the FIRST thing they have to do is learn to think about others. Putting the promise of a reward in front of these kids is just a taunt which will be rejected. Instead of showing kids who things can be better, I think they need to bond with someone who has it WORSE. Someone who is defenseless and on-threatening. It's like girls who are abused by their fathers... they put up with it until and then he started on my little sister. Once that emotional barrier ir cracked, THEN they can start to learn.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Part of the problem is that our society relies on FAMILIES to raise their children. By problem, I mean SOLUTION.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
.... and you can thank all those feminists for that....

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Or, like a gun, a really big gun, like a Pfeifer Zeliska.
http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=
display&pid=32

Useful for some jobs, but potentially VERY dangerous, especially in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing, or doesn't observe proper safety precautions, or tries to use it for something radicially out of it's intended function (driving in nails, for example).

But WITHIN it's intended and specific function, ultimately the best tool for the job.

Ok, there *IS* such a thing as "too much gun" apparently, who in their RIGHT FREAKIN MIND would *want* that horrific thing ?
You have to love the comment "There won’t be any permanent damage inflicted to your wrist."
*twitch*

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Did or did not Gov Perry push for mandatory vaccination with Gardasil ?

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Did or did not serious safety and side effect concerns come up, including deaths and injuries reported to the VAERS database proportionally far in excess of any other vacc ?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Frem, you seem to be of two minds. On the one hand, you think that children shouldn't be thought of as the property of their parents, but as full human beings with fully human rights. OTOH you seem ot think that parents "should' be able to bring up their children however they want. But when parents are negligent or abusive those two thoughts collide.

So how do you propose to ensure children's rights when parents won't, without public intervention??? And no, I don't mean in the distant future when we're all better community members, I mean now. What do you propose? 'Cause I'm not hearing it.*

It's very much like the healthcare debate. Most everyone agrees that the current for-profit health INSURANCE system sucks. But they don't want government either? So... what's the plan?

*ETA what I AM hearing is: Parents should be allowed to raise their children however they see fit as long as they have MY (Frem's) approval.

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