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I remember when opponents of Bush were told to move elsewhere. I remember how angry they got, because it was wrong to tell them to move elsewhere when they clearly cared about fixing the mismanagement here, where they lived now.

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This suggestion that folk who want a "no-taxes, no-government, guns-for-all-society" move to Somalia is plainly meant as satire, which clearly distinguishes it from the jingoism of a few years back.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Hmmm. Isn't this kinda like painting all Muslims as terrorists because of the actions of a few?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Bytemite, where's the "partisan propaganda?"

Hello,

It may feel partisan because the author reached into the way-back machine to find vehement foamy-mouthed ugly protesters.

When he only needed to reach back to the last presidential cycle. "Indeed," the author might have said, "nothing new is happening, because we tried our best to do this very thing a short time ago."

The credit is that these maniacs are given more freedom to voice their vitriol than previously, and that does please me. I would not want to see that change, even when these idjits offend my sensibilities.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Cavalier,

It's the second time in a week I've seen someone make this joke.

Some jokes don't make me laugh.

Small government people should move to Somalia. Hee!

Black people should move to Africa. Ha!

Jewish people should move to Israel. Ho Ho Ho!

It's all in good fun, as long as you wink, eh?

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And there is a huge difference between a loony carrying a sign and the President of the United States himself making threats against anyone who is "against" him. There's a difference between a bad joke and a bad joke backed up with brutality and guns.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

One last thing to add: Nothing new is happening. There is nothing truly remarkable going on with 'today's USA' or 'Obama protesters.'

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

It is my experience that when people say, "If you don't like it, then get out," they are in fact not making a joke.

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People feel safe strapping one on in protest to Obama, and that much is a good thing

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Hello,

I'm afraid I don't remember what response that was (the swiss manufactured my brain in a cheese factory and exported it to Hialeah Hospital for final assembly in the USA.)

However, I think I remember that there was a comparison in that thread made between changing jobs, changing products usage, and changing government, with the difficulties of each compared and contrasted based on varying points of view.

I don't remember anyone opining that I should Move to X. But if you did, then :-P.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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People feel safe strapping one on in protest to Obama, and that much is a good thing

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I couldn't disagree more. I find that rationale dangerous, short-sighted and unreasonable. JMHO

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The fact that these people feel safe strapping one on suggests to me that they actually believe the country is freer than it was before, regardless of statements to the contrary. You do not feel safe protesting in a tyrannical regime, most especially not with firearms.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
True, but this has been such of focus of media attention it has derailed the healthcare debate.

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and meanwhile the US gov is trying to find ways to penalize Honduras...

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Pizmo,

I think you are missing my point, or my point is missing its mark.

These people are obviously angry at the administration in general and possibly Obama in particular. They are protesting changes that they aren't comfortable with. However, their actions are not consistent with a belief that the government has become more tyrannical. Their actions are consistent with a belief that the government is LESS tyrannical.

If I may use an example...

A person living in Iran would not feel safe holding up a sign that says "Muhammad Sux." Nor would a person in Nazi Germany feel safe holding up a sign that said "Hitler is a Jerk" at a Hitler speech. Now, I suppose a person might still hold up such a sign in the hopes that their death or lengthy incarceration would make a political point. But he wouldn't feel safe. He would know that at any given moment, a lynching or murder of his person was imminent.

I honestly don't think a person would have felt safe, under the last administration, in holding up a "Bush is the Disease, Death is the Cure" sign at a Bush speech with an AR-15 slung over one shoulder. I feel that the last administration was hardly tolerant of the regular kind of free speech, much less the kind of free speech that puts a rifle on a protester's person at a presidential appearance.

I don't think any of these people would feel safe doing these things, do you?

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Just as these yahoos with .45's and Obama hitler signs clearly don't REALLY believe Obama is hitler. They believe he's reasonable enough to tolerate their armed dissent. So they may be angry, and they certainly aren't celebrating the freedom they feel... Not intentionally, anyway.

But each and every one of them is a monument to a freer country, no matter what point they intended to make.

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These people do not feel safer, they feel emboldened by a complete lack of respect for Obama and encouraged by their MSM to show open contempt, as if to say, "he's not MY president."

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Originally posted by rue:
I see the propaganda machine is back.

Always 'on-message', eh Geezer ?


"The healthcare debate ended when Sen. Kennedy died. The effort to make the healthcare bill a memorial to him has already started, and opposing it will be hard. The most opponents can expect is to limit it a bit."


"Conservatives Invoke Wellstone Memorial Smear In Predicting Politicization Of Kennedy's Death"

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Originally posted by rue:
I see the propaganda machine is back.

Always 'on-message', eh Geezer ?


"The healthcare debate ended when Sen. Kennedy died. The effort to make the healthcare bill a memorial to him has already started, and opposing it will be hard. The most opponents can expect is to limit it a bit."


"Conservatives Invoke Wellstone Memorial Smear In Predicting Politicization Of Kennedy's Death"

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Leaping to conclusions again, I see. I'm pretty much neutral on health care reform, as long as it doesn't mess too much with my current policy or increase taxes too much. My take on the current health care legislation being tied to Sen. Kennedy's death is based on stuff I heard on NPR while on my coast-to-coast trip. Several Democratic party leaders have talked about Sen. Kennedy's "unfinished business" relating to health care, so I suspect they'll use that to push their legislation.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I think it would be pretty irresponsible of the conservatives to " end " the debate for this reason... mind you I think they should be speaking out against the circus acts a little more, and try to help shape this policy.

Democracy only works when all the voices are heard

( and the whack a doodles have been heard from enough )

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Originally posted by rue:
"Several Democratic party leaders have talked about Sen. Kennedy's "unfinished business" relating to health care ..."

And that makes it 'politicizing' his death for 'their' ends.

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Originally posted by rue:
So, just because they mention the VERY LAST THING HE DID before he became ill and died - THEY are making political hay...

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There's a ton of evidence so far to indicate that the people holding up swastikas at so called healthcare protests are in fact in the pay of the pro-healthcare movement.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Niki,

The alternative to feeling safe doing so would be to believe that the government would accost you for doing something that they don't like.

This was the reality I perceived under the last president. I do not think he would have respected the rights of armed americans protesting his actions. He frequently enough seemed to make trouble for unarmed americans who did so.

The fact that these people feel safe strapping one on suggests to me that they actually believe the country is freer than it was before, regardless of statements to the contrary. You do not feel safe protesting in a tyrannical regime, most especially not with firearms.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by rue:
"Several Democratic party leaders have talked about Sen. Kennedy's "unfinished business" relating to health care ..."

And that makes it 'politicizing' his death for 'their' ends. I see.

Would you have people talk about Michael Jackson without mentioning that he was a popular dancer and singer ?

How does mentioning Kennedy's life's work mean his death is being 'politicized' ? How does mentioning the bill HE wrote right before he became ill an died 'politicize' it ? (And BTW, which republicans voted AGAINST, and who are now hypocritically saying 'if he hadn't died we would have reform today'.)



"... so I suspect they'll use that to push their legislation."

Yep. YOUR smear means of course THEY are 'politicizing' it. Strange, you're spewing just like all the other wight-wing liars. You're just a right-wing tool, ever-ready with a lie, and on-message, as always.


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Frankly, I have ZERO problem with politicizing Kennedy's death to push healthcare reform forward. In fact, I'm quite sure it's what Teddy would have wanted.

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