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Yeah, God appointed him to destroy this country for the wickedness of the United States of America. God appointed him because that's what our country has turned into. That's who we deserve as a president.

But let me tell you something: I don't love Barack Obama. I don't respect Barack Obama. I don't obey Barack Obama. And I'd like Barack Obama to melt like a snail tonight. Because he needs to recompense, he needs to reap what he's sown.

You see, any Christian will tell you that someone who commits murder should get the death penalty. Because that's what it says in Genesis Chapter 9, that's what it says in the Mosaic Law, that's what it teaches us throughout the Bible. 'Who so sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.' 'From the image of God created he Man.'

And when Barack Obama is gonna push his partial birth abortion, his salty saline solution abortion, hey, he deserves to be punished for what he's done. I'm not going to pray for God to bless Barack Obama. This is my prayer tonight to Barack Obama.

...Now, look, if somebody wants me, it somebody twisted my arm and tells me to pray for Barack Obama, this is what I'm going to pray, because this is the only prayer that applies to him: 'Break his teeth, O God, in his mouth. You know, as a snail which melteth, let him pass away. Like the untimely birth of a woman, that he thinks -- he calls it a woman's right to choose, you know, he thinks it's so wonderful. He ought to be aborted. It ought to be, 'Abort Obama.'

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You say why are you preaching this, you know what? Because it makes me mad. I'm mad. I don't know about you, but I'm fed up tonight. I'm angry tonight. Because I'm angered by a bunch of preachers who want to sit back, and let America go to hell, let our freedoms go to hell, let the souls of Americans go to hell, and we all just sit back and just, we're comfortable, we're lazy, we're lukewarm, we're neither cold nor hot, and we want to come to church and have our ears tickled. Hey! This isn't to tickle your ears, it's to give you a swift kick in the pants tonight! 'Cuz that's what you need every once in awhile!

... But I'm here to tell you tonight, that God is a God of wrath and vengeance. And that's the message that oughta be thundering from every pulpit in America today. People oughta be trembling today. People in America oughta be scared to death and trembling! And saying, 'Oh God! What are you gonna do to our country?! Oh, God! Are we gonna be able to survive?! Oh, God! Are you gonna allow us to go into the depths of socialism, and communism with Barack Obama!?'

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Let me tell you something: Barack Obama has wrought lewdness in America. America has become lewd. What does lewd mean? L-E-W-D? [Pause] Obscene. Right? Dirty. Filthy. Homosexuality. Promiscuity. All of the -- everything that's on the billboard, the TV. Sensuality. Lewdness! We don't even know what lewdness means anymore! We're just surrounded by it, inundated with it!

... And yet you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things -- you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona.

Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell. When I go to bed tonight, that's what I'm going to pray. And you say, 'Are you just saying that?' No. When I go to bed tonight, Steven L. Anderson is going to pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Y'all still think it's about the 2A???

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"If we allow one American to exercise his Constitutional rights, then all Americans might want to exercise their Constitutional rights...."

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Y'all still think it's about the 2A???

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"HK, I think you are reading it all wrong. He was actually *celebrating* his new freedom... in a life threatening manner."

Carrying a loaded firearm out in the open is "life threatening"? How so?

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I can only consider someone a threat if there is intent to wound or kill. Drawing a firearm without intent to use it is not necessarily a threat. Intimidating by saying or showing that you have a gun is different from saying or showing that you have a gun and you plan to shoot.

A thing may only be a hazard, not a threat. A gun is a hazard. Just like a car is potentially a hazard.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"He was actually *celebrating* his new freedom..."

Hello,

I can only imagine this is lobbed in my direction, and if I'm mistaken, my apologies. But if I'm not mistaken, it simply shows a willful disregard for my statements on the matter, and a re-interpretation of my words that makes for a witty, staw-stuffed one-liner.

In any event, I do have a singular concern.

If one of these gentlemen accidentally or on purpose fires off a round from one of their fine firearms, I am fairly sure the entire nation will rally to clamp down on my freedoms.

Of course, fear over losing my freedoms is not sufficient for me to pre-emptively surrender them, or take them from others.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw Piz, ever been to a firing range? Or the NRA... safest place in the world....

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

"I would have cheered if pro gun folk went over to this knuckle dragger and "persuaded" him to remove his gun (at a health care rally) and show some respect and common sense. Can you imagine the PR points you would have scored?"

The most I can do is tell you that the man is an idiot who is undermining his own point.

But 'persuading' (intimidating, forcing, using coercion) him to surrender his legal rights might win PR points with you, but it loses Just Action points with me. I mean honestly, Obama is smart enough not to 'persuade' this guy. Shall I be the idgit, then?

--Anthony

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I can only consider someone a threat if there is intent to wound or kill.

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Or, are we ALL just dangerous animals, never to be trusted, never to be believed, and never to be any better?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Guns were originally designed to hunt....

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I continue to maintain that the real problem people have with firearms has nothing to do with the firearms themselves. It has to do with abject terror regarding their fellow human beings. This terror is ignorant of the manifold dangers that surround us, but rest assured that each time something is proved dangerous, these same people will step in to add safeguards, mandate new safety procedures, and limit who can purchase or operate the offending technology.

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Originally preached by some worthless douchebag:

"You see, any Christian will tell you that someone who commits murder should get the death penalty. Because that's what it says in Genesis Chapter 9, that's what it says in the Mosaic Law, that's what it teaches us throughout the Bible. 'Who so sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.' 'From the image of God created he Man.'

And when Barack Obama is gonna push his partial birth abortion, his salty saline solution abortion, hey, he deserves to be punished for what he's done. I'm not going to pray for God to bless Barack Obama. This is my prayer tonight to Barack Obama."

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"Sh1t's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuc][kers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry as$ mutherfuc[]ker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nig[]ger, git your own dam[n fries!"
-Barry Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"I think where you and I disagree is you see Freedoms as absolutes, black and white, and I see them being grayer, more open for interpretation."

That, right there, explains the HUGE divide between the right and the left. And to those for and against the right to bear arms. And the criminal justice system. And, hell, just about everything else.

(I'm the absolutes type, but I have to admit you just opened my eyes to why the points of freedom never get across to those of the more "liberal" standing.)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Jesus, dude... calm down.

Part of the war is image.... you go off half-cocked, youll end up giving us all a bad image.

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But I wouldn't take his gun from him. There's no law against crazy...

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Umm, you DO realize modern internal safeties make that all but impossible, right ?

You can toss most handguns off a ten story building and they STILL won't go bang when they land - most especially anything with a transfer bar safety unit.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
A pistol sitting on a table scares people - WHY?!
That's freakin STUPID, it's an OBJECT, inanimate matter with no will of it's own, a TOOL and no more.

And yet people focus their fears on the weapon, instead of the doofus holding it, who if he *really wanted to harm you*, wouldn't need the damn thing to accomplish it, would he now ?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Especially if YOU had no means but to stand him off other than politely requesting he hold his water while you call 911 and wait for the cops to maybe arrive, IF they don't just give you a report number for the record and hang up, pffth.

Me, I prefer a stronger argument at hand in such an eventuality, and having one, simply do not find threat in other people whatever, but I also don't feel fear in the conventional sense either, so your mileage may vary.

I ain't too concerned about a kitchen fire, or flat tire neither, and WHY ?
Cause I got something on hand to deal with it, and to me, a weapon is no more, and no less, a tool for an unlikely situation which over the course of a lifetime is likely enough to prepare for, cause should it occur, you'll very much WANT something to mitigate it.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Disarm everyone ELSE for YOUR safety - what a selfish, malicious thought that is, when you strip the bullshit off.

Or allow folk the means to defend themselves ?
The evils of the world are going to do what they are going to do, your words on paper are no armor against their blows, your gun-free zone will not bend the laws of reality to protect you, all that they will do is force the unwilling compliance of the law abiding people that would never be a threat to you anyway, and provide a handy resource pool of unarmed and defenseless victims for predators - nature doesn't give a fuck what you THINK, what you BELIEVE....

You wanna test that, go find a couple of herds of prey animals in the wild, pick one and remove it's natural defenses - then write an order forbidding it's predators from preying on that herd, stick it to a tree, maybe hire a goon or two with a rifle to try enforcing it...

End result would be about as obvious as it is stupid.

WHEN your piece of paper can stop a creepers shiv, WHEN your gun-free zone can magically repel anyone carrying, THEN you can discuss this with me without being viciously insulted in much the same fashion I would insult someone who persists in telling me the earth is flat.

Till then, pound sand.

-Frem

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

It is of course completely unimportant what something is designed to do. We all know that, barring nuclear armaments, you can do as much or more damage with devices NOT designed to kill. Vehicles are among these devices. A simple pocket lighter, $5 bicycle chain, and inexpensive lock will do as well.

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1. often loses temper
Gee, couldn't have anything to do with just how RIDICULOUS the adult world is from a childs point of view - why am I supposed to hate that person for the shade of their skin, why is our god better than theirs, why does everyone treat me like a housepet ?
2. often argues with adults
Oh yeah, cause adults are NEVER wrong, or immoral, or blame kids for stuff THEY do since they have force majeure, cause kids aren't PEOPLE, you know, they're not ALLOWED to have an opinion..
3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
Maybe they don't WANT to shun the darker/lighter person, maybe they think the pledge of allegiance is bullshit, maybe they don't WANT to meekly submit to being physically pounded on for some minor infraction cause their parent had a bad day and plans to take it out on them.
4. often deliberately annoys people
Oh yes, cause how dare they actually HAVE FUN, what a crime it is to MAKE NOISE, or even worse, a mess, oh noes, they're not a good little obedient, silent robot drone, what a tragedy.
5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
Oh yeah, sure, and "all children are lying manipulators" too, yep, evil right out of the cradle and those adults are never, ever wrong or immoral, besides, it's not like they get a say anyway, they're not HUMAN, not PEOPLE, just kids, right ?
6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
Well of course, can't have them thinking they have RIGHTS, that they might be entitled to personal space, or privacy, or simple common decency, they should know their place, right ?
7. is often angry and resentful
Yeah cause having the shit beaten out of you should make you happy, it's emotionally healthy don't you know, and being regarded as little more than a housepet isn't gonna upset anyone is it now ?
8. is often spiteful or vindictive
But oh heavens why ? I mean, what do they have to be upset about, besides, it's not like they're HUMAN is it, not like they have FEELINGS, they're just kids, they'll get over it, pffth!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Do you really think you can dismiss Frem's post as being illogical or unreasonable because he said 'pound sand?' Or that 'pound sand' is somehow indicative of gun advocate arguments general failure? It's an expression of frustration. It amounts to saying, "No." By God, man, you really do go at these things with tweezers and pull out the tiny bits you think you can criticize while disregarding the well reasoned whole.

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