Tea Party 9/12 by Wulfenstar

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

And this is what they talk about when they call Democrats and Libs elitist.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:20 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

dude, it's satire - it's parody.... the emperor is butt-naked... you know.... satire

the fact that the rubes actually gathered around and seemed to enjoy this little show... and even shook their hands... only shows how totally misguided some of them are.... if it weren't so sad it would be hi-larious....

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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impail them on pitchforks

Impail? Is that like... putting them in pails? But where do the pitchforks come in???

(Sorry dude. The devil made me do it. Nmly - being a signficantly BAD typist- I don't even look at misspellings!)

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The Worldly Philosophers

COOL! I think you'll find it GREATLY informative!

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In these past 2 years you have led me to the conclusion that I cannot rebuke collectivists without at least attempting to understand them.

I think you'll find that, in a way, all economists are "collectivists" because there is no such thing as an economy consisting of a single person. So all economists tend to look at people "in the aggregate"... even Adam Smith!

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Or.

They enjoyed the application of free speech.

Even if they disagreed with it.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:43 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
And this is what they talk about when they call Democrats and Libs elitist.

When I hear that complaint, it's generally from the poorly educated, pissed off that someone would have the audacity to actually know what they're talking about.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Lo Thanks for proving my point Story.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:49 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

No. It's being controlled by the Republican party, and contaminated with messages that only ultimately hurt the end cause.

Roger that.

It's GOP/Fox/NWO hijacking the Ron Paul Gang that WAS trying to repeal the bogus income tax and "Federal" Reserve Bank. The new "tea parties" censor that info.

But RP's Audit The Fed Bill is now sponsored by the majority of Congresscritters, and was forced out of pedophile Barney Frank's Bankster Committee for a real vote.
www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Impail? Is that like... putting them in pails?

Ah yes. The good 'ole "point out the mistake in the post" gag.

Now you remind me of citizen.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:46 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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the fact that the rubes actually gathered around and seemed to enjoy this little show... and even shook their hands... only shows how totally misguided some of them are.... if it weren't so sad it would be hi-larious....

A) Save your "breath"; people like him don't get "satire", they only see it as a reason to say something deadly serious back atcha to "prove" their point.
B)Hey, let it be hi-larious--you gotta laugh or you'll cry, eh wot?

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And this is what they talk about when they call Democrats and Libs elitist

When I hear that complaint, it's generally from the poorly educated, pissed off that someone would have the audacity to actually know what they're talking about.

Akchully, when I hear something like that, I can't figure out how his brain made the leap from the parody to what he said...can someone explain it to me? You canNOT mean he actually bought that those people were for REAL, can you??? Or does he see their witty, on-point demonstration as somehow "elitist"??

Thanx everso for the video, Dead, we never would have heard about it otherwise, I'm sure. Go Rachel!

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:02 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"I've never read much orginal content in her posts ..."

Weird, b/c I've never read anything at all in BDN's posts ---- but you seem A-OK with that !

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:15 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Lo Thanks for proving my point Story.

And you, mine.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:31 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Radicals aren't followers, but every radical movement needs them. How far would Lenin have gotten 1917 had he not controlled a few thousand Rues to drag shopkeepers out of their businesses in Moscow and impail them on pitchforks?

Ummm... You know Lenin was a FOLLOWER, right? He followed Marx and, to a lesser degree, Trotsky.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:34 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Or.

They enjoyed the application of free speech.

Even if they disagreed with it.

Yeah. I bet it that was it. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, when have you EVER seen the righties let someone practice their free speech rights if they didn't agree with their point of view?

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Impail? Is that like... putting them in pails?
Ah yes. The good 'ole "point out the mistake in the post" gag.

Now you remind me of citizen.

Hey! What the hell, man? You lettin' Citizen horn in on my racket?

Mike

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Ah yes. The good 'ole "point out the mistake in the post" gag.

BWAHAHAHA!!!! Sorry dude! My bad! I don't know WHAT got into me!

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:06 PM

Okay, I'm late to the party but...

Byte is right, as usual. Wulf. Look at the name "9/12"? this is for morons who think that 9/11 was some muslim thing and that the fear and loathing society was the right reaction. In short? Cheney.

Nik,

Byte's world is less gloom than you think. Realism is healthy, and we are headed towards this sort of society

Byte,

There is hope, which is that such a society can never sustain itself, it will break apart.

What kills totalitarian structures is not the will of the people overwhelming them with fortitude and a sense of justice and decency... all that and a quarter'll buy you a cup of coffee.

It's their own structure that takes them down:

1. The only listed to themselves. They select the "finest minds" which starts them out good.

2. Some finest minds disagree with the plan, and so they must be removed, so now we're selecting withing that initial selection, and they're selecting for "loyalty."

This is more or less where we are now.

3. Next, they marginalize all opposition to the plan, so sure that they have all the good ideas, and a series of bad decisions are enacted (no, not there yet, I mean *worse* ones than we've seen.)

4. The plan seems not to be working as planned because they limited the talent pool. Unaware of this limitation, they find some scapegoat for the failure. These people are at least unconsciously labeled as "enemies of the revolution."

5. Having created the concept that there can be enemies to their great cause, that of the greater good, and their great plan, the *necessary* measure, that only *they* have the courage to enact; they start seeing these enemies everywhere. Now the *real* paranoia is setting in.

Yeah, we're not here yet: No one is arresting us for the stuff we say on FFF. In China, they are.

6. When you start cracking down on dissidents, you find that the most threatening ones are the ones with actual power, and the way they've created their power structure of loyalty, these guys are primarily *inside* their own govt. These internal attacks start to decrease loyalty.

7. Infighting arises. Not the partisan bickering of normal nothing govt., but maneuvers to assassinate and remove not just underlings, but their own overlords, appointees, and one another. This cycle is believed to be an internal cleansing process, but really becomes the circular firing squad.

8. As life for the totalitarian institution continues, not only is the power group and talent base shrinking, but more importantly, they are paying more attention to their own internal power struggle than they are to what it is they have power over in the first place. Without any sort of serious revolution, it isn't long before they've utterly lost control over all aspects of society.

9. The critical loss. Every dictatorship has it, and it's the single event that heralds downfall. Some minor crisis comes up, and TPTB send a force to quell it.

No, I don't mean Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan were *started* to create chaos, and the US is not the empire.

But what does happen is that TPTB in their arrogance, oversight, and more importantly, introspective and limited thinking patterns, have failed to evolve, innovate and prepare for black swan situations. See "Battle of Leuctra"

10. The post-Leuctra collapse is inevitable, and nothing that TPTB can do can stop it, try though they might, and they will try. They will fight tooth and claw, but never evolve. They will cling to the same power structure, thought patterns, ruling ideology and social goals that they always had until before they know it they are only a footnote in history.

Sparta now is a suburb, principally known for olive markets, but the construction is a modern one, a few thousand people descended from the empire that once ruled the Hellenic world. The city itself can be seen in the foreground.

The above model can be applied to almost every totalitarian society to come since, and undoubtedly countless ones before that we lack the recorded history for.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:51 PM

I think I see hints of the USSR's downfall in there. Probably a few monarchies, maybe an Empire or two...

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:27 PM

MANGOLO

I was thinking about the irony in the kind of country that the wingnuts actually want America to become, all the things they wish for, free-wheeling capitalistic opportunism with little to no safety net, is what Russia is right now. The saying from the 1980's that used to get shouted at folks who stood against Reaganomics, "If you don't like it here, move to Russia!" has taken a whole new turn.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:28 AM

It's probably more that they don't realize business as usual plus no regulation would result in free-wheeling opportunism and corporate abuses. It's more like it's expected everything will go back to small local businesses and pre-1920s.

I think there's a better system than either laissez faire or government regulation, but that's off topic.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:39 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/16/health.care/index.html

It mandates coverage.

THIS is WHY people are so angry.

WHY is it so hard for some to understand that you can't FORCE things on people?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:48 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Why would anyone not want insurance?!?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:59 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok.

I would like to mandate that everyone, at all times, must be armed with a gun of no less a caliber than 9mm.

Or, I would like to mandate that you must all go to church, and that 10% of your income must be given to the church.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:03 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I would also like to mandate that you must give half your paycheck to me.

I know best what to do with it.

You silly little people just CAN'T be allowed to control your own future.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:08 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

But, because Im in government it gives me the right to do this remember.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:11 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"It mandates coverage."

So, you prefer that people suck off the tit of taxes when they get sick or hurt and have no means to pay ?

Now THAT'S what I call brilliant ! (not)

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:19 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Lets be clear here Rue,

are they citizens?

And why does it, just out of curiosity, cost 80 dollars to have an I.V. put in?

ETA: What I mean is, where are the doctors willing to do the work, because it is just GOOD work?

The nurses who care?

Or have the doctors and nurses become glorified mechanics... but they work on bodies not cars?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:22 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"And why does it, just out of curiosity, cost 80 dollars to have an I.V. put in?"

Because the shareholders/ lenders/ bondholders own the business, and above all they must be economically satisfied.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:36 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok. I get where you are coming from.

But whats going to happen to the doctor who just says fuck it. Im not going to charge this person 80 buck to put in an I.V. Nor am I going to charge the taxpayers that. I'll just do it real quick...

You think hes going to go to jail?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:39 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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There is hope, which is that such a society can never sustain itself, it will break apart.

What kills totalitarian structures is not the will of the people overwhelming them with fortitude and a sense of justice and decency... all that and a quarter'll buy you a cup of coffee.

It's their own structure that takes them down.

Some finest minds disagree with the plan, and so they must be removed, so now we're selecting withing that initial selection, and they're selecting for "loyalty."

.......

As life for the totalitarian institution continues, not only is the power group and talent base shrinking, but more importantly, they are paying more attention to their own internal power struggle than they are to what it is they have power over in the first place.

I think that's what's happening right now, DT, and I'm not sure it won't be the death of "their movement" long before anything else.

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I was thinking about the irony in the kind of country that the wingnuts actually want America to become, all the things they wish for, free-wheeling capitalistic opportunism with little to no safety net

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It's probably more that they don't realize business as usual plus no regulation would result in free-wheeling opportunism and corporate abuses. It's more like it's expected everything will go back to small local businesses and pre-1920s.

Right on, Byte and Mangolo.

I have nothing against mandated coverage, but the way it looks now, they're saying that the "restrictions" have been so watered down and the public option killed, while the mandate remains, that it ought to be called the "Insurance Company Profit Protection and Enhancement Act". I agree, and if Obama lets it get through that way, it's not a "first step", it's a horrible step BACKWARDS!

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Because the shareholders/ lenders/ bondholders own the business, and above all they must be economically satisfied.

Rue, you nailed it. Add to that "and nobody's stopping them."

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:46 AM

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Why would anyone not want insurance?!?

Easy, because no one likes a middleman.

The point of an insurance company is to provide a failsafe for catastrophic injury and illness. Treatment and health care for such an occurrence tends to be exorbitantly expensive.

If you can't afford the treatment, then insurance is a good thing (at least for you) because your health insurer is willing to cover a certain amount of your costs.

Remember, what you put INTO insurance isn't necessarily what you get OUT of it, your money doesn't go under a file with your name, instead it goes into a big pool, of which the insurance company is only willing to pay out so much so they can make a profit.

But for other people, it makes more sense, rather than to put a by monthly sum into an insurance company, to put that money into savings for just such an event. Less hassle, no denials.

Now, this only works for people who can afford health insurance or those who have the foresight to save money. Poor people below a certain threshold can't, which is why a public option is so needed. The government is planning on paying for this with costs cut elsewhere, so service will likely be at greatly reduced prices. Very beneficial for the poor, and a good service our government COULD provide (although I also think it could be possible to have such a program at a community level... There ARE such things as a free clinic).

What I'm basically saying is that the best, least money-wasting, most-cost effective AND most efficient system would be single payer with SUPPLEMENTAL insurance companies and public option for those at a certain income level.

Finally, getting health insurance companies involved for sporadic expenses less than 200 dollars for a lot of people is just completely pointless. It's like owning a 1,000 dollar car and paying 600 dollars a year for insurance on it. Pretty soon, that's not supplying a service anymore to help you fix your car (or the car you crashed into), it's a money sink.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:50 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:07 AM

DLV: If they have to pay for it. A lot of the plans floated involve initial or eventual "you must buy it" programs.

Insurance is a tax on the people, govt. supported or not, and a strong tax on corporations.

It's useful to have, but difficult to manipulate. I'm slated for surgery on monday which I'm thinking of backing out on because I was reading about this japanese procedure which doesn't use anaethesia. Getting a doctor to refer me to such treatment will be tricky through the HMO system. If everything were truly "Free market" the people would have more money,* and services would be cheaper, but we could buy the services we want.

*I may not make much of an income, but everything I buy is loaded with tax. The amount of our economy that's really tax is appalling. If I buy a loaf of bread, not only is there sales tax, but the guy I'm buying from is taxed, his income, his business, his employees, for which he has to raise his prices, and the same goes for the shipping company that that delivered the bread, who is paying taxes on workers, fuel, the puchase of trucks, the workers who made the trucks, the workers who made the bread, the people who made the equipment that the truck and break makers use, etc. Ultimately, around 90% of the price of that loaf of bread is likely to be tax in some way.

When the govt. borrows money, that devalues the dollar, that's a tax on everyone, but particularly the poor and middle class, as they're the ones holding dollars, in cash, or in salaries, rather than stocks, bonds or international investments.

So, you look at the federal govt. and the state govt's collectively spending way over 1/2 the GDP, and you know that the investment banking big money is paying very little of the tax on that, then you can see how it is that we can end up with a loaf of bread that's 90% tax.

Just some #s.

The bread is $3. That's $2.70+tax. There's a buck mark up there, because more than half the store's cost is tax: salaries, property, benefits.

Most of the cost of getting the bread there was fuel, which is now overwhelmingly tax, workers are about 50% tax, etc. Figure this is $1, because it's <$1.70 if I go to the bread store itself, but that's also a store. Might be $1.33, trying to remember. So figure that the cost of production is maybe 70 cents. But the breadmaker is paying corporate tax, property tax, personal income tax for the workers, bennies for the workers, state taxes, so the non tax cost of the bread is maybe 35 cents. Just doing this in my head, but picture this:

An economy without tax. The layers of price decline this would have, all across the board.

1. So, roads, schools? I always here this argument: First off, the federal govt. does nada. Nothing at all.

2. Volunteer militias are perfectly adequate to defend the US, now just as when it was founded.

3. Schools are worse than useless, and if we had trains, no one would need superhighways. local townships and counties could float roads and minor infrastructure, but they could also become utility companies. Maybe this would mean that people who drove cars would pay a fee for road maintenance, but bread would be 35 cents a loaf.

In this world, cancer surgery would be a couple hundred dollars. It ain't sophisticate math, and you don't need to guess they do this in Korea and Britain, and used to do it here. Then if there is a better procedure, it would be maybe $500.

If some bill gets passed where I have to buy health insurance, I'd have to close my business and get a job at some pharmaceutical or computer company, which I don't want to do, it would use all my time, etc. But a lot of people wouldn't even have that option.

Edit: Also, what Byte said.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:22 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"But whats going to happen to the doctor who just says fuck it. Im not going to charge this person 80 buck to put in an I.V."

The doctors who work for hospitals don't decide how much gets charged for which procedures. The doctors who have a private practice wouldn't be putting in IVs in that situation.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Byte, DT - yeah, I'm on the same page - i didn't mean to be an insurance corp supporter - This is why reform is so badly needed - call it health care or call it insurance reform - the "middlemen" are the ones putting up the huge fight - and lining pockets of GOPers everywhere - to kill any type of reform. And, the bill presented today by Baucus is "dead in the water"....

Single-payer, public option - Medicare for all - how hard is that?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:46 PM

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BTW, Kwick...

Awesome "Wolverines!" reference... :)

Then you didn't "get it" - that movie is pure swill, and I was making fun of its pure, unadulterated stupidity. It's right-wing jerkoff fodder for the phony brave.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:53 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Lets be clear here Rue,

are they citizens?

And why does it, just out of curiosity, cost 80 dollars to have an I.V. put in?

ETA: What I mean is, where are the doctors willing to do the work, because it is just GOOD work?

The nurses who care?

Or have the doctors and nurses become glorified mechanics... but they work on bodies not cars?

I thought you believed in the capitalist system? Aren't they just good capitalists if they can get paid that much to do what they do? Hell, how is throwing a ball through a hoop worth $120 million? Whose life did it save to do that? How is society better?

You ALMOST sound socialist there, Wulfie. I guess it's okay when it's YOU deciding who gets paid what, huh?

Mike

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And the smile signals emptiness
For me
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
But, because Im in government it gives me the right to do this remember.

How do you figure? You should really look into that "practice", because it never actually existed, at least not in any way remotely similar to the way that movie portrayed it.

Why do you seem to get all your "facts" from shitty movies, Wulf?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:58 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok. I get where you are coming from.

But whats going to happen to the doctor who just says fuck it. Im not going to charge this person 80 buck to put in an I.V. Nor am I going to charge the taxpayers that. I'll just do it real quick...

You think hes going to go to jail?

No. He's going to go to debtor's prison. At least under the current system, he is.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:39 PM

Wulf
9/12 is a celebration of extreme unchecked executive power created by the govt. Don't you see the contradiction? You're being played.

Mike,
Well, they didn't really rape the wives, but they did kill them, and many others, it was a massacre, perpetually. The romans became the brits, and the brits became us. A popsicle to whoever can tell me who became the romans

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:16 AM

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A popsicle to whoever can tell me who became the romans.

Depends on what you mean by "became"...

In terms of power and empire, the Carthaginians. The Romans supplanted them after three Punic wars, which resulted in Carthage being ground into the dust of history.

In terms of who actually BECAME the Romans, it started out as a loose collective of city-states. Rome, Turin (Torino), Tuscany, etc., banding together to fight a common enemy, and evolving into a solid empire.

That's the very broadest of strokes, but it gives a general sense of it.

Can you mail me the popsicle?

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
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Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:48 AM

Dammit, one got damaged.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:20 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Why do you seem to get all your "facts" from shitty movies, Wulf?"

What? Braveheart, 300, the Patriot, Prince of Thieves,... these were "shitty movies"? Really?

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:08 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Mangolo:

If this isn't the most frightening and sad thing I've seen in a long time... angry people who don't even know what they're angry about.

THIS is what we should be protesting... we should have had a 9/13 rally and marched on the marchers, Bag the Tea Party. These people have TOO MUCH freedom. As much as some of you want to rail against Gubmint I give you exhibit A against We, The People.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:15 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The were Hollywodized fantasies. They're not bad ENTERTAINMENT, they're bad realities. Read books, several on each subject, to get as close to the real FACTS as possible. Those movies portrayed lovely concepts, but they didn't portray REALITY. They're dramatized sound bites, and rarely portray what really happened, or even COULD happen.

Maybe that's part of the problem; maybe you believe in the black-and-white concepts portrayed this way, but don't see the subtle grays of how such things really happened, I dunno. But putting up these clips to make some kind of point actually makes no point at all, in its way it merely says "this is what I believe in, a fantasy created by entertainers to portray a simplified version of what really happened (or might have)".

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50 PM

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Dammit, one got damaged.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!

I *LOVE* OtterPops! And I appreciate the thought.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:52 PM

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"Why do you seem to get all your "facts" from shitty movies, Wulf?"

What? Braveheart, 300, the Patriot, Prince of Thieves,... these were "shitty movies"? Really?

As far as *historical* movies go, absolutely. They are very loosely BASED on facts, but they aren't really factual in and of themselves.

"300" I found entertaining, though, but I wouldn't base my life's philosophy around it or anything. Prince of Thieves is an abysmally shitty movie. I walked out on that piece of garbage.

Oh, and as far as historical movies go, you should really check out "A Man For All Seasons" sometime. It's fairly accurate, historically, in its presentation of the facts of it, but it does paint a rather too-charming, too-perfect portrait of Sir Thomas More. I don't admire his beliefs, but I *DO* admire that he was willing to die for them.

That reminds me - did YOU go to the 9/12 rally? And if not, why not?

And why do you suppose Glenn Beck, who started this whole "9/12" mess, didn't show up? Remember him? He's the one who wanted us all to remember how we felt the day after 9/11, and recapture that feeling and spirit. So he wants us all to be terrified, watching the skies, huddled in fear? Or was he referring to the way we all went around on 9/11 and the days immediately after calling the President a socialist, an illegal alien, a monster, and comparing him to Hitler? Was THAT the feeling he was going for? If so, then "Mission Accomplished!"

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:46 PM

It's a simple series: In the sense that the romans became the brits, and the brits us.

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Friday, September 18, 2009 7:29 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, my, someone who not only remembers "A Man for all Seasons", but appreciated how closely they stayed within the "facts"...compared to other Hollywood productions, of course.

Thank you. I thought that had disappeared into obscurity, and it's always been a movie I highly respected.

I know it was twisted and turned, but how about "Becket"? What did you think of that? For me, it was my all-time favorite movie for decades, until "Dances with Wolves" and "Color of Purple" came along...

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Friday, September 18, 2009 8:10 AM