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Obama Bin Laden
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:30 AM
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Quote: Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan (Village Voice 1981 when CIA agent Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro was illegally in Pakistan) "Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" -Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998 "I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski." -Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007 youtube.com/watch?v=ASlETEx0T-I "I endorsed Obama." -Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.” —Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001 http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/ "We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming." —Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006 www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html "9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” —FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006 www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm "The goal has never been to get Bin Laden." —General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:35 AM
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:16 PM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:47 PM
DREAMTROVE
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:53 PM
CHRISISALL
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:01 PM
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:30 PM
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:05 PM
GINOBIFFARONI
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Gino I was aware of this. I would place Osama certainly on the Northern Alliance side, as he was on their side in the Soviet War, and had more than a few choice words to say about the Taliban. He was also a US ally at the time. I'm not sure that really ever changed. By the time we made him into a boogieman he was already so sick it didn't matter. I can't help but think that some sort of family connection here.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:02 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:13 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Pre US invasion the only part of Afghanistan that was producing / exporting opium in any major quantity was under the control the Northern Alliance ie the US allies that now control the Afghan government. The Taliban actually done a serious job of kicking the drug / warlords out...
Quote:I would place Osama certainly on the Northern Alliance side, as he was on their side in the Soviet War, and had more than a few choice words to say about the Taliban. He was also a US ally at the time.
Quote:And both sides were united against the Soviets, it was only after they pulled out and the country fell to pieces they began to oppose each other. While OBL really choose neither side, his connections and support really came more from the Taliban side
Quote:Osama had a large organization which he used to plant, refine and traffic opium, and mostly to finance his own operation. Intermittently, those guys, known colloquially as "Al Qaeda" are working for us. Little known fact: They are working for us right now in Afghanistan, officially, and helping us against the Taliban and possibly Iran. They're a total pain in the ass to Iran, more so than anyone outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan, though lately the Taliban is being more of a pain in Pakistan, and of course, the US is being a pain all over that area.
Quote:While Al Qaeda is a grouping of other organizations and some of which surely have some connection to the drug trade, I can't seem to find a pre 2001 cite linking drugs to Al Qaeda. As boogiemen go, the US always seems to link drugs and their enemies so I am not really sure about media reports after that, the propaganda machine is loud enough to overcome the truth... whatever that truth might be.
Quote: Taliban consider themselves pure traditional Muslims, but their ideology is influenced by the relatively recent works of an Egyptian named Sayyid Qutb, whose writings from prison in the 1950s and 1960s are like a bizarro Letters from a Birmingham Jail, replacing Dr. King’s nonviolence and compassion with violent contempt for most of humanity. Qutb’s world was utterly simplistic: to him, Islam was already dead, having wandered far from its pure, narrow path. A few remnants fit into Qutb’s harsh version of Islamic law, but everything else was inherently evil and corrupt. Therefore, for Qutb, the non-Islamic world—including not just the West, but the vast majority of mainstream Muslims and all secular governments, especially in Muslim countries—was the enemy. “You’re either with us or against us,” in other words. Egypt hanged Qutb in 1966, but his works continue to provide deceptively simple, emotionally satisfying answers to complex social questions. Followers, including Osama’s pal Ayman al-Zahawiri, have amplified his ideas, building the case to abolish all democracies and even nationalities. Instead: a worldwide Taliban-plus, forever. But be reassured: Qutb is considered a heretic by most mainstream Muslims. The notion that the Koran can be so radically interpreted is usually seen as a serious insult to 1,300 years of tradition. And despite wide disdain for U.S. policies amplified during the Bush years, only a small bit of the Islamic world identifies with this stuff, and only a teeny percentage of those would engage in any violence. Even the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, Qutb’s home team, has moved away from his rhetoric in recent years. In short, most of the world’s hundreds of millions of Muslims are not part of a extremist offshoot that seeks its own destruction. The West can either earnestly pursue relationships with moderate Muslims in difficult countries, or simply slur them all together as enemies, a move as sloppy and hostile as it is self-fulfilling.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:39 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:44 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Not to nitpick, but look hard? several came up on the first search I did http://www.emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm But I knew. I wasn't guessing. Whatever we do is somewhat irrelevant, I use us neither as a primary information source nor a moral compass. I think everyone has suspected the CIA is in drug trafficking for years. The whole "port inspection" issue was about drugs. Bin Laden didn't really start his farming operation to "grow potatoes" as he put in an interview, because he was trying to fund a revolution, not something you can do on potato sales, just ask the Irish. Also, his guys get arrested all the time for opium trafficking. This isn't a big mystery. I don't think we always peg our enemies as drug traffickers. Nazis, Soviets, China, Japan, Saddam Hussein. I'm not even sure we do it to "also ran" bad guys, Chavez, Kim Jong Il, I just think it's a pretty widespread practice, so we *do* bring it up when it's true, because it helps make the case against someone. (Whether or not anyone says it about Chavez, it's likely, his Bolivarian allies do, Evo Morales openly supports the idea.) But I don't hear this floated against the new enemy #1, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, because it would be an absurd claim. Even Bush, who had made a lot of *really* questionable claims backed away from the truly absurd. I don't have any sympathy for Bush, but just a couple quotes I remember from press conferences, responding to MSM people who had made radical links: "Saddam Hussein doesn't have a connection to 9/11, but he does have links to international terrorism" "Iran and Al Qaeda, that doesn't even make sense, the Iranians are Shiia, Al Qaeda is a Sunni organization. No, I don't know why anyone would think that" Just illustrating that there is a level beyond which even the most absurd America propaganda attacks won't go. Sure, we'll say "Iran has a secret nuclear missile program" and maybe they do. Maybe Obama is a secret muslim. Don't care, but could be. But no one is saying "Somalia has a secret nuclear program." With what? A dictionary and My Friend Flicka?
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I agree; I don't hear "drug trafficker" used against many of our enemies. But many of our enemies might well use it against us...? ________________________ Together we are greater than the sum of our parts
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:53 PM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:52 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:37 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote: Whatever we do is somewhat irrelevant, I use us neither as a primary information source nor a moral compass. I think everyone has suspected the CIA is in drug trafficking for years. The whole "port inspection" issue was about drugs.
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