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3% of US students pass citizenship test

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Friday, September 18, 2009 11:27 AM

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75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S.
www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949

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Friday, September 18, 2009 11:29 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Friday, September 18, 2009 12:38 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Native born Americans are illegal immigrants

Yeah, you have a point there.

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Yes We Can!

See you've moved on from Zapata to Chavez, Caesar that is, not Hugo. Welcome to the cult of Obama. Yes, there is Hope, and we can Change.

Myself, I think I'll start up an alternative education system

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Friday, September 18, 2009 12:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Friday, September 18, 2009 4:25 PM

PIRATENEWS

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It dont say how many students se habla English.

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75% were unable to identify the first president of the United States as George Washington, with 10% believing it was either George W. Bush or Barack Obama.

Around 75% were also unable to identify the name of the first ten amendments to the Constitution, with small percentages answer "The New Deal" and "The Ten Commandments".

Alarmingly, just 14% were able to correctly state that the author of the Declaration of Independence was Thomas Jefferson. While 34% said they didn't know, 7% thought that Barack Obama wrote it and 2% frighteningly believed that it had been drawn up by Michael Jackson.

11% of the students thought that the two major political parties in the U.S. were the Republicans and the Communists.

"In short, Oklahoma's public high-school students have displayed a profound level of ignorance regarding American history, government, and geography." the OCPA concludes.

The OCPA also notes that when the same survey was done recently in Arizona, a similar figure, only 3.5%, of Arizona's high-school students passed the citizenship test.

http://infowars.net/articles/september2009/180909Constitution.htm

We are domed.

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Friday, September 18, 2009 4:36 PM

KWICKO

Well, it IS Oklahoma...

Is anyone really surprised?

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:29 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

If you'll pardon me for saying so...

It seems fairly obvious most of the test takers were fucking around and not paying attention.

The real problem the test reveals is that most of the test takers didn't give a shit about the test.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:39 AM

DREAMTROVE

Tony,

I think the # in too low, and the age of kids is not stated, nor the selection. (3% of special ed 2nd graders...)

But it is a problem. We set higher standards for immigrants than for our own citizens. This is the real reason everything is run by immigrants: they had to jump through hoops to get here, the locals are encouraged to be morons. (prison-like education system, prison-like prison, drugs, MSM...)

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:07 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think the poll under the article is more indicative of the problem with our educational system.

3 times the respondents said that 'teaching children civics' was the responsibility of schools than said it was the responsibility of parents.

Based on the sampling, 15% of the people believe they have no responsibility to teach their children about how government works.

I myself believe that the teaching of our young is 100% the responsibility of parents, with most parents selecting 'public schools' as the tool by which to accomplish the task. But, you know, if a tool is broken, you either fix it or use a new one. It's not the bucket's fault if the chores don't get done. ("There's a hole in the bucket, Dear Liza...")

And now in a personal confession, were it not for the movie 'South Pacific' I would not know which Ocean was which. I actually stop and think about that film when I try to answer such questions. That says ill things about my geographic knowledge.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Edited for 6AM spelling blues

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The real problem the test reveals is that most of the test takers didn't give a shit about the test.

A note on that - back when the schools came around and demanded that we do X amount of push-ups, sit-ups, and laps for one of the Gov's evaluations of average student fitness and health...

Just what the hell do ya think we told em, given that at the time I was in a 'second chance' school fulla violent square peg delinquents who's one common factor across the board was viewing "them" and "their society" with such a profound hatred and disgust that the closest comparison I could make is perhaps your reaction to a society that thought stillborn infants were a delicacy.

I really cannot overstate how MUCH we *hated* "the system", and then here it comes demanding we physically exert ourselves so it can size us up, measure us, like we're it's fuckin livestock ?

Yeah right, not ONE of us complied, not ONE, and in response and retaliation, the folks giving that evaluation gave us flat zeros across the board, AND the school itself penalized us in a couple other ways.

We did about the same to MEAP and all those other tests - what did we care about "their" standards or funding when our voices went unheard, unheeded ?

While such hatred was all but universal in our little hellhole, and that was a fluke in part due to the alternate purpose of that particular second chance system, I would surmise at least SOME small percentage of it does exist in most schools, complete with the same level of obstructionism and defiance, especially given how we treat em, yes ?

So, whenever someone tries to push off "american schoolkids are fat and unhealthy" consider the image of fifty seven reasonably healthy kids flipping the bird to the test givers and getting flat zeros in response, and just how that might have affected results there, right-O ?

Until we make education a cooperative, rather than adversarial process, students really have little reason to play along with a system and society that treats them as something less than livestock, and takes quite the many opportunities to make SURE they know it.

And when it comes to civics/social studies/american history - what we teach in public school is so propagandised, so fictionalised, it's outright goddamn laughable - I know american history very damn well and *I* cannot pass those tests cause they depend on knowing the "politically correct (at this time)" answers rather than the right ones.*

I'm still a little miffed at being called into the office in middle school over one of em.

Q: "What type of government do we have"

LilFrems Answer: "Totalitarianist Oligarchy"

What can I say, I was born with a low bullshit tolerance. *shrug*

-Frem

*PS - My nieces history teacher despises me, especially for feeding the kid single sentence questions which totally obliterate a whole days lesson plan.

"But isn't conscription a form of slavery that's even worse ?"

"Using one States militia to invade another is a no-no, isn't it ?"

Maybe if they concentrated on EDUCATION instead of INDOCTRINATION, we wouldn't have these problems.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Frem,

This reminds me of a discussion a friend and I had recently after reading the book '1776' by David McCullough.

He said, "I don't understand. Why do I know more about World War II than I did about the War of Independence?"

And I said, "I suppose schools aren't anxious to stress some of the unsavory details, like that we had our asses handed to us pretty consistently for the first year, and that only the (relatively accurate) poor opinion of the American army held by the Brits at the beginning of the war allowed us to survive at all."

I remember 'Crossing the Delaware' presented as a bold masterstroke military victory of ambiguous nature. Sure enough, it was a nice victory, but I don't remember anyone teaching us the context: That it was the last gasp of a dying, ill supplied army that had been in a near constant state of defeat and retreat.

Yet somehow this same school system managed to cover the Cherry Tree myth.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:14 AM

KWICKO

People tend to have a view of the public education system that's really not fair to that system, just as they have a view of the FDA that's not fair to it. Any kind of "safety net" system should be viewed as THE FOUNDATION, the very lowest base, the lowest common denominator to build the rest of the structure upon.

People now seem to view "FDA approved" as some kind of magic seal of perfection, when they SHOULD view it as it's intended: "We haven't found any serious problems with this product, YET." In other words, instead of saying "I don't think this will kill you", we view the FDA approval as saying "This is absolutely good for you, no doubt about it." And it just ain't so.

The same thing can be said about public schools. I never believed that the schools I went to were the ONLY places I was supposed to go to learn about life. Did you? They were the places where I was supposed to get THE BASICS, the bare minimum, hopefully the things that would kick-start my head and get me looking deeper into things. If that worked, at any level (maybe it got me interested in the deeper history of our nation, or how my government REALLY works, eh?), then the school did its job. But my parents were supposed to be there to push me forward, too, and to ask questions and make ME ask questions - and learn how to ask THE RIGHT questions.

If Americans are dumb, they are as much to blame for that as the schools are. Only thing is, you can't get elected to the school board telling people to quit teaching their kids utter bullshit like "intelligent design", which is just a fancy name for copping out and not wanting to ask questions or look deeper.

Mike

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:26 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh indeed Anthony - all too well aware.

One of the most appalling things about the perverse ultra-nationalism following 09-11-01, at least to me, was the puerile, juvenile nastiness aimed at the French, who were at the time more or less appealing to us to act like reasonable adults instead of angry children, given that one of the most enduring icons of the american desire to be free of tyranny was in fact primarily an act of goodwill from the French, without the assistance of whom we might not have pulled it off.

It completely offended me that the folks doing that flaming did not seem to realize, remember or know that the Statue of Liberty is a monument to that goodwill, and quite specifically French in origin and construction.

Sure, everybody mocks the French, even the French mock the French, but they've ever been our friends, even if they are jerks - it's not like we ain't jerks ourselves, yanno ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:25 AM

PIRATENEWS

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This is all by design. The NWO is laffin all the way to their banks.

Funny how the French are constantly slandered and libeled, when France is the only reason USA won the Revolutionary War against the Brutish Empire.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:51 AM

DREAMTROVE

Mike,

Not having actually gone to school, I can still do the math. Kids spend at least 1/2 their waking hours at school. The basics should take you an hour a day. Hell, that's all I spent studying that stuff.

If you add what mandated time parents will put in, and then their TV and social online time, then it's hopeless. If school takes 1/2 your time it has to return more than 1/2 what you know, and it's not even hitting that 3% mark.

Frem, John

Yeah, we know. We have to be a step more clever than them.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:20 PM

MANGOLO

School is not really a place for learning.

My kids were homeschooled until age 12. We never spent more than 1 hour a day. When they finally entered the school system, they were at the tops of their classes. Straight A averages. So, 1 hour of homestudy = 6-8 hours at school.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:43 PM

TRAVELER

I have heard stories like this for years. When Jay Leno was doing the Tonight show he would go down to the street and ask adults these same questions and the answers were just as foolish. And remember Mr. Leno was asking adults. It is not just this generation, but several. We have been like this for decades.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:19 PM

DREAMTROVE

Mangolo,

I agree with you agreeing with me

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:04 PM

MANGOLO

Dreamtrove,

I concur with your concurrence. :)

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:49 PM

DREAMTROVE

Mangolo,

I agree

Sorry for the critique in the other thread. I agree with you basically, ya rode that rollercoaster on a skateboard, and landed on the ground in one piece. A lot of others weren't so lucky. I considered it, and decided to skip it. Too conservative I guess. I broken even for the year, no thanks to Obama. What I shoulda done was buy ford the moment they went in for the bailout and GM and Chrysler were like "Bail us out or we'll die!" and Ford was like "Don't worry about us, we're good." I sure told everyone else to buy it then, it was a real easy call. Didn't matter if Mulally was lying, it was the smart thing to say.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:25 PM

MANGOLO

No biggie

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