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So no public option to keep Big Insurance in check, and insurance coverage is going to be MANDATORY... you have to be kidding right?? Who benefits from this? Duh.

It gets better: "The committee defeated an amendment that would have allowed states to opt out of a new requirement for every individual to purchase insurance coverage or pay a fine."

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Originally posted by rue:
F*ck this sh!t.

BTW - the problem isn't Baucus. Yes, he's A problem, just not THE problem. The problem is Obama, who knew (as a fellow senator) what Baucus was all about, who put Baucus there precisely to do what he did.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

It has been almost a given, right from the start, that Obama would get exactly what he wanted out of this deal.

However, what Obama wanted is no longer clear to me, and it's starting to look shadowy and suspicious.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Actually meant the link about contributions from the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry, but the contacts numbers are also useful.

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I only write to Senators and Representatives in my state

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Wulf -Whatever you think is best. Honestly. Because right now, it would be hard to imagine a worse scenario. This is as bad as the big friggin' financial sector giveaway!

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But as Chair of the Finance Committee (Baucus) and Senate Majority Leader (Reid) they SHOULD know what you're thinking.

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How about... No on Mandatory. Yes on reform?

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Just in case you have the notion to call and "chat" with any of these folks by phone or email, here's a list of their contacts...

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Cheer up...he'll be gone from DC before you know it, and all his marxist, left-wing radical Pelosi crap will be cleaned up all nice and neat. Order will once again triumph over chaos and insanity...mark my words!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Give it 31 days.

If naught else, STALL, just get me that 31 days, folks, ok ?

I cannot give details, but if you mean this, then yes, please - push hard in the other direction...

And trust that, umm...
Someone is coming along with a lever big enough to tip it over, just not right away.

31 days people, 31 days.

-F

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Cheer up...he'll be gone from DC before you know it, and all his marxist, left-wing radical Pelosi crap will be cleaned up all nice and neat. Order will once again triumph over chaos and insanity...mark my words!

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Yeah, public option is dead and a stake driven thru its heart. The folks who opposed reform the loudest have hijacked it, and while picking all of our pockets, have complained about it being a socialist power grab.
"Follow the money." Who benefits from the changes made? And who gets stuck in the loser chair? And whatever mess gets passed, it will be hung around Obama's neck as the Obamacare plan, come next several elections, even tho' it isn't anywhere close to what he proposed or wanted.
He'd be better off at this point, to either drop the whole thing or veto whatever Congress passes, and stick with the F@%&*#-up status quo.

Be

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
He could reverse a whole lot of stuff.

Instead of mandatory insurance, force the insurance companies to not deny potential clients. And, make it law that they cannot deny claims. They have to keep their payout in the 99% range.

That would fix alot of what is wrong with healthcare.

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So yeah, I'm a little pissed.

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I only posted this because someone mentioned my name in another thread recently as a sock puppet. Maybe I am or maybe I'm not.

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I haven't posted in months, but apparently I'm still remembered.

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1) Said he'd close Gitmo -- has not
2) Said he'd withdraw from Iraq -- has not
3) Said he'd be "transparent" on new spending legislation -- has not been at all
4) If they won't even put the Baucus bill on the web ( because apparently it's too much trouble ), then why should anyone believe they could be trusted to manage our healthcare?
5) Said he'd end pork -- signed omnibus & stimulus w/ 9000 pork projects
6) Said he'd go after the crooks on Wall Street....so far Fannie Mae execs and all the rest are walking around scott free with their stolen billions....but he WILL go after CIA agents...nice!
7) DOMA -- unchanged
8) DADT -- unchanged
9) Patriot / eavesdropping -- unchanged
10) Afghanistan -- escalating with no plan
11) Un-employement steadily rising despite the dire threat months ago that if stimulus wasn't passed, the un-employment rate would go as high as 8%...now teetering on 10%...some areas 15%
12) Flies off to Denmark for Chicago Olympics.....Chicago Olympics??? What new events can we expect?: two-by-four beam skull bashing of honor students, Blago bribery money-bag tranferring, Rezko slumlord quid pro quo events for scholarships, Ayers seminars on bombing the Pentagon and police stations, white-man poisoning the water relay races, Wright chickens coming home to roost racist church pew endurance trials, and Daley crash courses in generational corruption. Wow...what a show!

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I only posted this because someone mentioned my name in another thread recently as a sock puppet. Maybe I am or maybe I'm not.

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You are.

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I haven't posted in months, but apparently I'm still remembered.

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As a drunken, death-loving "c-word", if memory serves. Not my words, mind you, but you did your level best to live down to them.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Vile personal attacking slugs like you are the reason that keeps people out of this area of FFF.

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Everything I said is true and you gorram know it. I'm real sorry it pains you so much that you cannot even deal with any of it.

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And you don't have to say c word. Just say cunt, or douchenozzle, or whatever euphemism suits you in your lame and pathetic effort to get a rise out of me.

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I know you better than you even know yourself.

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The body of your work here testifies to the vile, disgusting, America-hating cretin that you are. And that analysis applies to all your sick, demented and self-rightous asshole buddies in this daily cesspool that you wallow in so well.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Vile personal attacking slugs like you are the reason that keeps people out of this area of FFF. Everything I said is true and you gorram know it. I'm real sorry it pains you so much that you cannot even deal with any of it. And you don't have to say c word. Just say cunt, or douchenozzle, or whatever euphemism suits you in your lame and pathetic effort to get a rise out of me. I know you better than you even know yourself. The body of your work here testifies to the vile, disgusting, America-hating cretin that you are. And that analysis applies to all your sick, demented and self-rightous asshole buddies in this daily cesspool that you wallow in so well.

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Originally posted by rue:
Useful stuff from SignyM, reposted:


For all the time we've spent bitching and moaning on this board, we could have EACH written 20 letter to every Senator in question, AND the WH!

Yes, I know, some of you have done this already... I know I have... but SOME of you have yet to get off the dime!

www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
RE: YES ON PUBLIC OPTION
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Please include your e-mail address



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No one deserves the firing squad.

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Don't I recall "Every post should be weighed on its own merits?" Wasn't that a recent decision that we all agreed to.

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