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Originally posted by rue:
"Getting one of THE major global forces engaging in diplomacy again is a major step up from the pit Bush dug for us. It is a game-changer for the world."

He DID do this.

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So, like Wulf, I think we should all submit our names for next year's prize. It seems like all we have to do is go around being nice to people and saying sorry to folks of different nationalities and religions than ourselves for whatever wrongs they perceive America has done to their people.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I think it sets a pretty low bar to give out the Peace Prize for "not being Dubya Bush". I mean, really - is that all it takes these days?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I wish he would decline the award, and say, "I'm sorry. I haven't earned this yet. I will strive to be deserving of it someday. Until then, please give it to someone better suited."

THAT would be a start to greatness.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

To me, this denigrates the prize, AND it both gives armaments to his detractors AND delegitimizes his presidency, because it really DOES make it appear that the world just worships at his feet and falls all over themselves genuflecting to him.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I agree he hasn't earned it - but I looooove the response it's provoked in the right. I can't wait to watch Hannity and Beck tonight.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

They gave it to him for the sole and simple reason that he ain't Bush.

Which, while no particular credit to Obama, and something of a backhanded insult...

It's a pretty fucking damning condemnation of Shrub, isn't it now

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Originally posted by rue:
Personally, I think the outrage is misplaced. There are far worse recipients of the prize. And in the grand scheme of things, who gets the prize is not going to change the world either way. I would prefer outrage directed at starvation, war, brutal treatment of humans - especially women and young girls who are so frequently victimized by religion and custom - anything but outrage over this. What is this, really ? To me this whole thing is a non-issue, completely unsubstantive. MEH - it is nothing.

So while I can say that I am pleased that a US president got the prize, I can also say that this particular item is way down on my list of importance.

But as a target for comment, it certainly has been illuminating to see where people stand and what arguments they bring to the table.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I haven't heard anything that justifies the award."

Whether it deserves the award is up for debate - but I think Obama's policy to return the STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD back to diplomacy is, as I said earlier, a game changer. An irreplaceable step back towards sanity.

He could have not done that.

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Originally posted by rue:
" He has said several times it was not because of the color of Obama's skin that he's upset about this."

And then he has ALSO said that liberals will cream their jeans just b/c Obama is black. Surely race features into HIS thoughts somewhere, dontcha' think ? Because, given that you are a liberal, he is surely projecting this racial fetish onto you.

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BTW - what I got irritated with was his equation of him getting up in the morning and tying his shoes with Obama's POLICIES AS LEADER OF THE STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD.

I HOPE you see the 100% idiocy of his argument as the strongest objection he could possibly come up with to account for his sense of outrage. 'Cause what he is arguing is that, after all, one is just like the other.

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Originally posted by rue:
Obama was nominated early, but selected later - after significant time had elapsed. There was plenty of time to drop him from the list. He COULD have NOT made the cut, after all.

Whether or not he got the prize is a non-issue to me. It's people's bogus arguments I find irritating.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
OH WAIT, I just responded to a post!

Give me a trophy AND a medal!

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I just thought your reaction was a little mean-spirited, that's all.

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Obama was nominated early, but selected later - after significant time had elapsed. There was plenty of time to drop him from the list. He COULD have NOT made the cut, after all.

Whether or not he got the prize is a non-issue to me. It's people's bogus arguments I find irritating. In the interim, Obama has done FAR more to foster global peace than Wulf ever has, or ever will. See my list above.

The BIG DIFFERENCE - OBAMA HAS CHANGED THE POLICY OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL MILITARY.

Hopefully, you can see that, even if Wulf can't.

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Originally posted by rue:
Since I post-edited, I'll repost here

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Originally posted by rue:
But since I DID change it, I reposted it, as a courtesy to you. And YOU are now in the pissy 'humorless' category b/c --- why ?
How about this: next time, I'll just skip the courtesy, OK ? Will that make you feel better

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Darn it...

I have posted several times.

Im going to have to wallpaper my house with all the Nobel Prizes I will soon be receiving.

I mean, cause you know...

They really HAVE meaning after this, right?

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