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We have awarded someone for not being someone else.

I take no pride in this.

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People ought to boo when the referee or judges of a match make a bad call.

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No, Wulf, Mike's right. He's not black. Actually, he really isn't. He's no genetic relation to the people with whom you have such a problem. He did live in a black neighborhood, but then so did I. Wait? Am I black? Uh oh. Wulf also lived in a black neighborhood, that makes him black too!

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Seriously, the "not W" is part of it, but "OMG, it's a liberal! (committee orgasms)" angle here cannot be ignored.

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Finally, there's another angle: The prize is often awarded to assholes who are a menace, as a Dale Carnegie approach to get them to change their behavior. This is why it was given to Yasser Arafat. It gives them a high standard to live up to. "I'm a man of peace. Me!"

Oh no. That might be it. We've been voted the world's biggest asshole. Hmm. considering the amount of chaos we're currently causing, is this true. Have we become the world's biggest asshole state?

I remember a few years ago, every tin plated dictator like Chavez, Mugabe etc. would denounce the US to gain creds, and distract from their own evils. But are we now in the same position? Are we the tin plated dictatorship that points fingers at Venezuela and Iran because we are just trying to deflect attention away from who really dealt it?

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Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Least retarted?

Ironic , eh ?

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I believe it's the first time I ever used the word in a sentance before. Sorry. Product of public education here.
I was a child left behind...


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Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

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Okay, you made a good point. Really.


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Sentence".

Keep trying, though.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Im sitting here everyday, trying to inspire hope, strength and peace. Hope for the future. Something where we can ALL live with freedom, hope and liberty.

Where is my fucking medal?

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I wish he would decline the award, and say, "I'm sorry. I haven't earned this yet. I will strive to be deserving of it someday. Until then, please give it to someone better suited."

THAT would be a start to greatness.

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Amen, Anthony - and that ain't a word I use often.

Oh, and Wulfie ?
Ain't about race, it's about delivering a vicious backhanded insult to America for ever tolerating Bush in the first place.

I don't like the taste of a slap like that any more than you do, but honor demands I admit we had it coming.

-Frem

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Originally posted by rue:
Personally, I think the outrage is misplaced. There are far worse recipients of the prize. And in the grand scheme of things, who gets the prize is not going to change the world either way. I would prefer outrage directed at starvation, war, brutal treatment of humans - especially women and young girls who are so frequently victimized by religion and custom - anything but outrage over this. What is this, really ? To me this whole thing is a non-issue, completely unsubstantive. MEH - it is nothing.

So while I can say that I am pleased that a US president got the prize, I can also say that this particular item is way down on my list of importance.

But as a target for comment, it certainly has been illuminating to see where people stand and what arguments they bring to the table.

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Hello Rue,

I don't think anyone has placed this on par with world hunger, the plight of abused women and children, or general global sins against humanity.

There are several recipients of the award that make me shake my head. And while I will not declare this most recent inappropriate award to be the most heinous of inappropriate awards, I will neither declare it to be 'okay' since there have been worse offenses.

I do agree it is illuminating to see what arguments people bring to the table. I haven't heard anything that justifies the award. It is my opinion that most sensible people should see this event as unfortunate. It brings no glory, no honor, no attention to critical world events. It holds up no accomplished principle or practice. Instead of highlighting the struggles and travails of folks who agonize through the trenches of world peace and goodwill to their fellow man... instead of inviting the world eye to look towards the abused and valiant women's rights struggle in the east...

We have awarded someone for not being someone else.

I take no pride in this.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize, I should think that Bill Clinton must be feeling a bit left out.

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Give it up Wulf. You're at the point of looking like a buffoon.

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"Sentence".

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MORTAL! YOU HAVE EARNED THIS!
*raises hand to throw bolt*
*Leslie Parish stops him*

You, you, you, that's what you are!


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Originally posted by rue:
Another thing to add to my list:

Negotiating with N Korea.

NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response.

Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.)

Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia.

Willing to discuss global warming.

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I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

OK - I gotta say with him doing all that in such a short time - and under the crises he inherited - when I put it THAT way - what a guy !
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Another thing to add to my list:

Negotiating with N Korea.

NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response.

Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.)

Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia.

Willing to discuss global warming.

AND

I think Obamas undoing of the anti Cuban relationship the US has had going might also deserve an award...

Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

OK - I gotta say with him doing all that in such a short time - and under the crises he inherited - when I put it THAT way - what a guy !
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"Speakin of deserved...
*glances sideways at Wulf*
You made your point, ok ?
No need to be a COMPLETE ass about it."

Sorry.

Just a little used to having to smack people over the heads plenty of times until they get it.

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" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


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How about "OMG, it's not a 100% piece of SHIT!" angle? In a world like this, of COURSE we reward the least retarded! Sheesh!

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why didn't they ever give it to Dub - oh shit, I can't even TYPE that with a straight face! :)

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Any more things he's done to promote world peace ? And all while dealing with Bush's economic meltdown !

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Gino:
"NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran"

He sure blew that at the G20, when he rattled sabres... for no reason at all

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Me summarize:
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And far from an insult to the American people, I see it as a validation of our having turned back from the precipice and returned as a friend to the world. I think the Nobel folks try to look at the big picture and I think from that angle Obama looks pretty good for this award.

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John, thanks for the post
Great speech, everyone should watch it.

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"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussien Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I still think this is a wonderful place and I'm proud to have met other Browncoats who are thoughtful, willing to debate, and intelligent. But I have a feeling I would be quite unpopular if I started to be one of the lone voices crying "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" and argued in favor of all the GOOD things I see about my country and our lives.

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Okay, I've been gone a couple of days, so this may duplicate what someone else has said on this matter. But here goes:

The Nobel Prize has been given in the past not as a prize for accomplishment, but as an encouragement to achieve. There are numerous examples; one is Bishop Desmond Tutu. He was given the prize for his efforts to end apartheid; apartheid didn't actually end until ten years later, and the Nobel Committe couldn't have known if he would be successful when they gave the prize. Obama was nominated 12 days after he took office, yes, but he'd already shown a desire to change many things, and, whether anyone wants to recognize it or not, has been trying to do some of them already.

He actually has changed some thing; the reason in part that he hasn't been able toc hange others can be laid at the feet, not of the Republicans per se, tho' their scorched-earth policies have made it difficult enough, but at those of the Blue Dogs...if the Democrats held together like the Republicans usually do, many things would have been accomplished by now. A President doesn't stand alone, he can't just "achive" his goals without Congress' help.

Obama said in his speech that he was surprised as anyone to learn about the Nobel, that he didn't think he'd done anything to deserve it yet, and said quite clearly that he recognized the above and saw it as a "call to" accomplish.

America's dealings with the world HAS changed; the majority of Americans, by voting for Obama, have shown that they reject the Bush Doctrine and the things Bush did to our country...I think that's a start. Obama is attempting a more neutral position on the Israeli-Palestinian situation and is trying to encourage discussions; he has dealt with Iran MUCH more differently than Bush or McCain would have; he's trying t deal with Afghanistan the "right" way rather than rushing troops in willy nilly to conquer THAT country--and he's willing to be cautious, to THINK about the repercussions of what he's doing.

I'm uncomfortable with the consistent anti-government and anti-Obama stuff here; I know it's not a popular position to be positive about the country right now, but I try to be and I still have hope. And I HAVE seen change; not as much as I want, but given all he inherited, and the unwillingness of the Dems to grow a pair, I'm still determined to give him time. I also see bashing him as a murderer and laying so many other things at his feet, and the constant "how can we tear the government down", as well as all the personal sniping, beginning to put me off.

I still think this is a wonderful place and I'm proud to have met other Browncoats who are thoughtful, willing to debate, and intelligent. But I have a feeling I would be quite unpopular if I started to be one of the lone voices crying "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" and argued in favor of all the GOOD things I see about my country and our lives.

I've also found that it's all too easy to lose an entire day here debating things that have been debated before and hashed to death, reading post after post about how bad things are, and having threads devolve into personal sniping. I'm very grateful I've been able to have my voice heard and not been attacked for speaking my piece, but I need to accomplish things in my own life, not spend so many hours here.

I'll still come, I do appreciate all of you and this place. And I fully recognize that Firefly naturally appeals to people who are against big government, or government at all. But it's somewhat of a downer to constantly read about how bad things are, when I happen to think there's a lot of good in our government, our country, and our lives. There are so many things going on in the world besides politics, it's too bad they don't get noticed and discussed too. But that's just my opinion, and obviously those things aren't of interest to others most of the time.

Like I said, I'll still be around, but maybe I'll take my chances and just speak up about the good; who knows? That's

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I think the weird thing is he was President for 12 days when he was nominated.....

12 days ???

I think he got it simply because Bush set a new low, and anything else has the hope of being better.

You want to debate or talk about anything Niki, post away...

The troubles, and the shit things that go on draw more debate because I think people hope they can somehow help change things,... or are upset about how things stand and need a place to vent their emotions.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have learned a thing or two I didn't know from posting here, in a variety of subjects.

I think much of the problems with Obama with issues like Afghanistan, Iran, or Israel... or the economy, or healthcare... is one or two of these things he could probably perform as advertised... but with all the problems at once...

and if he doesn't even people who supported him will likely give him only a year to 18 months to see some progress.

I for one wouldn't care you said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" I don't think very much of those who seem to think anything other that democracy ( or for that matter capitalism ) is evil and should be fought. People need to be able to decide things for themselves, I often think the US should just deal with their own problems at home, and not have anywhere near the foreign policy engagements they do... perhaps the enemies they have abroad would become fewer in number if they weren't out looking for fights.





Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


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I'm pretty sure that while he hasn't had the time to make any real headway toward peace.... he also hasn't had the time to kill millions. Of course, I'm talking to the pirate king of brain-damaged idiots, so I realize my words are aimed at someone incapable of understanding them.

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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

"We believe that within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next five to ten years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could be different in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most importantly, it might be damaging to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. A research program to explore feasibility could be completed in approximately five years at a cost of $10 million. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken, lest it lead to yet another method of mass killing of large populations."
—Dr. Donald MacArthur, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, Department of the Army, Statement of Director, Advanced Research Project Agency, Statement of Director, Defense Research and Engineering, SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENTS HOUSE BILL 15090, UNITED STATES SENATE LIBRARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970. Hearings before a Subcommittee of the APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Ninety-First Congress, first session, July 1, 1969, testimony on June 9, 1969 (FULL TEXT HTML -- JPG Image Scan of HB 15090)
www.umoja-research.com/aids_murder_docs.htm
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.tetrahedron.org
www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

"PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA - The invention relates to a novel pathogenic mycoplasma isolated from patients with Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or patients dying from diseases and symptoms resembling AIDS diseases. The invention further relates to a variety of vaccinations against mycoplasma infection in humans and/or animals."
—US Patent Office, Patent Number 5,242,820, Inventor Stryh-Cheng Lo and American Registry of Pathology in Washington DC, Filed June 6, 1991, continuation date June 18, 1986
www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
-Nazi Prince Philip King of the British Empire in charge of bioweapons labs, If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary in one day, Bilderberg Secret Society

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2-million US citizens have been genocided by medical doctors since terrorist illegal alien Hussein Obama Bin Laden seized power by coup d'etat. US Supreme Court says that genocide of 50-million US citizens is legal in Roe v Wade.

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