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Originally posted by mazaen:
Interesting view that many people don't value their own culture anymore. Maybe he's jelous that muslims do what other cultures can't. Muslims can continue to value their own culture when living in a western world when every other culture sells themselves out.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Muslims continue to value their own culture when living in a western world BECAUSE HERE IN THE WEST, WE DON'T MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DO SO . Try going to Saudia Arabia or Iran and openly living a Christian life, carrying around a Bible to and from Sunday mass.

Good luck w/ that.

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Interesting view that many people don't value their own culture anymore. Maybe he's jelous that muslims do what other cultures can't. Muslims can continue to value their own culture when living in a western world when every other culture sells themselves out.

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All homosexuals should be stoned to death, says Muslim preacher of hate

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163510/All-homosexuals-stoned
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Originally posted by JaynezTown:

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All homosexuals should be stoned to death, says Muslim preacher of hate

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163510/All-homosexuals-stoned
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I want to see flag of Allah flying over Downing St

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23661857-details/articl
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Let them protesters do that in Pittsburgh the cops will run em out of there. Did you see the white liberal chic at the front with the orange on. "We don't need this", We like she's one of them. Come on honey your just what Stalin called a useful idiot. Probalbly a upper middle class english upbringing with a distent father. She's got her self lost in something she has no idea how evil it is and doesn't care.

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
JS, where ya bin. I saw video on what your talking about. The police in any liberal area are not on your side. I live in Tucson now these cops are just tax collectors. There after the sherriff up in Phoenix for doing his job.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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I want to see flag of Allah flying over Downing St

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And what was the U.S. Presidents middle name again?

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My tax dollars hard at work protecting people advocating Death To America, Death To Jews, and Death To Freedom. Isn't that just so special!? Freedom of speech is one thing, but vulgar taunting and hateful threats are another.

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
JS, where ya bin. I saw video on what your talking about. The police in any liberal area are not on your side. I live in Tucson now these cops are just tax collectors. There after the sherriff up in Phoenix for doing his job.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Originally posted by mazaen:
Interesting view that many people don't value their own culture anymore. Maybe he's jelous that muslims do what other cultures can't. Muslims can continue to value their own culture when living in a western world when every other culture sells themselves out.

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Muslims continue to value their own culture when living in a western world BECAUSE HERE IN THE WEST, WE DON'T MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DO SO . Try going to Saudia Arabia or Iran and openly living a Christian life, carrying around a Bible to and from Sunday mass.

Good luck w/ that.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Kwicko your brains are in your ass, Why don't you wake the fuck up you jackass.

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Kwicko your brains are in your ass, Why don't you travel and wake the fuck up you jackass. No wonder your mother dumped you as a kid.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1154789/Polygamy-UK-This-speci
al-Mail-investigation-reveals-thousands-men-milking-benefits-support-wives.html
He cut a smart figure in his grey suit and crisply ironed shirt. The 6ft tall Somalian bowed to the judge, calling him 'Sir', before begging for his wife, Fatima, and their teenage son to be allowed to stay in Britain.
Fatima, with a black khimar veil covering her hair and shoulders, sat quietly next to her husband.
In her late 30s and wearing open sandals, she lowered her dark eyes as the details of the unconventional life she and her husband, Abdi, led in the West London suburb of Shepherd's Bush unfolded at a busy immigration court.
The judge listened in silence. Perhaps he knew from past experience what was coming next. Abdi went on to reveal that Fatima was not his only wife.
Indeed, he was a self-confessed bigamist who had a second, much younger wife and a 13-year-old daughter by her. They both lived nearby.
'I visit them regularly,' said Abdi, 51, who arrived in Britain in the 1990s and works in an old people's home. 'I have done nothing wrong. In Somalia, it is normal to have two wives - even three or four. Fatima is still my wife and she should not be deported.'

Baroness Warsi has warned that politicians have failed to tackle the problem of polygamy because of 'cultural sensitivity'

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No, he doesn’t belong in the Netherlands, but what will it take to get him out?
http://sheikyermami.com/2009/04/02/no-he-doesnt-belong-in-the-netherla
nds-but-what-will-it-take-to-get-him-out/
by sheikyermami on April 2, 2009

Dutch report concludes “radical imam” not a security threat

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

That's not so much a shade of gray, as another right butting up against the first.

The owners of the venue have the right to eject anyone who is not contributing to the atmosphere they want to maintain.

And the ejected individual may have a right to a refund for services promised, unless the contract stipulates otherwise.

What I don't think anyone should have is the right to not be offended. Because a world with such laws would be a world more restrictive than a corset.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I have never liked hate laws. They seem to be laws which attempt to divine and punish the content of people's minds and hearts. It's a bit too Orwellian for me.

Hate Speech is just speech you don't care for, in my opinion.

Hateful graffiti is just defacement of property.

Race motivated murder is, really, murder, which is sufficiant cause to put someone away.

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If I crash a plane into a building because the people inside are mostly Americans, I send a message that Americans are should be afraid for their lives.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Not in our world, sadly. Public cursing would probably get you hauled in for disorderly conduct.

But ideally? Yeah. You could curse in a park.

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The Quran actually doesn't support Muslim terrorist activities: rather, Mullah and Ayatollahs are corrupting the texts to teach mostly illiterate recruits violent propaganda.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Besides, really? You'd lobby for the right to offend people in public?

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P.S. "Freedom of speech is one thing, but vulgar taunting and hateful threats are another."

No. It's the same thing. I have no problem with someone holding a sign that says, "All Americans Deserve to Die" just so long as I can hold up a sign countering it. Freedom of Speech is all Speech, no matter how it personally offends you.

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Besides, really? You'd lobby for the right to offend people in public?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I spent years of my life enduring hateful harassment.

And yeah, I would lobby to protect the rights of anyone who calls me a Spic, Rafter, Rower, Floater, Marielito, Cube, Fob, or Island Beaner.

I would also lobby to protect the rights of anyone who calls me a cracker, as I have also often been referred.

Essentially, I would lobby to protect the rights of anyone. Because I consider them rights.

--Anthony

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Besides, really? You'd lobby for the right to offend people in public?

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Define "offend". Would you outlaw 400-pound people wearing Spandex? 'Cause I find them DEEPLY offensive. Will you outlaw cell phones? Idiots yelling into their goddamned phones in the middle of a restaurant are very offensive, and idiots talking into them or texting while driving are downright dangerous - far more dangerous than drunk drivers, in fact.

Where do YOUR right not to be offended and MY right not to be offended meet? And how many people will be offended by us trying to figure that out?

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Thx Mike - I was just about to reply to Frem with that very point: it all depends on definitions. I was going to say that his points show that it is about the definitions decided by the group and not the individuals that are the most important.
What I can imagine as "offense" is deeply offensive - not spandex bad - I was going to share examples and then deleted my post because I just don't want to go there.
For me to think of someone who is so tied to absolutes that they would defend that kind of behaviour just makes me think they haven't really experienced the kind of abuse that's out there or they lack the imagination or the innate cruelty (good for them!).


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Motive is only important insofar as it helps to prove guilt in a court of law by explaining why someone would assault someone minding their own business. I do not believe motive should tie into criminal punishment except insofar as the motive can be deemed to render the assault legally justified.

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Anthony: I think I see where you're coming from.

"Death to Jews" would be offensive to many, but not really threatening, per se.

But "Kill THAT Jew" WOULD be threatening.

Sound about right?

At the same time, someone on this board saying "I wish Kwicko would die" is far different than someone coming at me in person, saying "I'm going to KILL you!" I'll defend your right to do the former, but if you try the latter...

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Originally posted by rue:
"'Death to Jews' would be offensive to many, but not really threatening, per se."

It would be considered hate speech by the UN, something two radio announcers were tried for in Rwanda.

It is part of the process of dehumanizing a group in order to make the people victims.


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