Monsters. by Wulfenstar

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:29 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Wulf. Get a new issue. Everything comes down to racial profiling and the second amendment. It was old a long time ago, now it's undead.

I would take a different angle: What do expect? This is public school. Rape is an integral part of the institution, as is violence and drug trafficking. Of course that's not why it exists, it exists to brainwash the next generation, but these things happen because the system is run by the govt. and so is run very poorly.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:13 AM

RIVERLOVE

It's so sickening that is hard to even think about it. They should suspend all extracurricular activity for starters. They should try, convict, and lock up ALL who were there, whether they participated or watched. The ones that took pics should be charged with child porn. They should do something to make amends to this girl. I don't know what could ever be enough though. All teachers, students, and staff should be required to attend special rape prevention classes, including watching hours & hours of rape-victim interviews. Things have to change. What parent could send their child to this school now? But they're in class today I understand. How can they all look at each other?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:38 AM

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As a repeat of my questions above:

"Ok, I have a few questions for the people here.

(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.

1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.

1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?

2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:01 AM

Jeezus, of course Wulfie would take a truly horrible story, and turn it into a screed against liberals. You are such a hopeless douchebag.

I love that your sole solution here is let her carry a gun to school. Yeah, giving High School kids guns will totally fix the world. Moron.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:04 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

This is public school. Rape is an integral part of the institution, as is violence and drug trafficking. Of course that's not why it exists, it exists to brainwash the next generation, but these things happen because the system is run by the govt. and so is run very poorly.

At least Wulf isn't the only crazy person in this thread.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:18 AM

AGENTROUKA

The article says that this happened during a homecoming dance, at night.

It makes me wonder what role alcohol played in the crime and the actions of the spectators.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:37 AM

RIVERDANCER

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
wonder what role alcohol played

Okay. No. I get so tired of hearing that excuse from criminals and their victims. "The evil fire water made him do it." No. If we were all honest with ourselves, we would know and admit that nobody does anything when they're drunk that they don't at least consider when they're sober. The most alcohol does is maybe quieting the "Maybe I don't want to do that, maybe that would be a bad choice, maybe that would embarrass me, maybe that would get me arrested" sort of thoughts people would generally have. Plenty of people ignore that part of their thinking without needed to resort to inebriation. Being drunk has become a handy excuse people can use to get away with bringing out the worst of themselves and parading it for the world. Sometimes the worst of someone is dancing on a table, singing badly and flashing people. Sometimes the worst of someone is rape or murder. Sometimes the worst of someone is standing around doing nothing when something terrible is happening.
There is no excuse for this. It should have been stopped. Guns aren't necessary to stop this sort of thing and odds are if the girl in question had been carrying a gun, she would have ended up shot with it. If someone else had been carrying a gun and used it to try and stop what was happening, they may have ended up shot themselves, or they may have ended up in jail, even though they were trying to stop a crime. Clearly the system isn't perfect, there, but the question would be why they were carrying a deadly weapon around. Just in case there was some crime to be stopped? No, probably not.
The solution to this sort of problem is not to arm everyone to the teeth. That way could lead to constant war in the streets. The solution is to educate. Properly. I'm not just talking about reading and math, I'm talking about emotional education. Fostering empathy instead of violence and hatred and disregard. It's the best path and the most difficult. And for those that it didn't work on, they could be locked up for life, I'd be fine with that. Maybe better yet, hanged, I'd probably be fine with that too.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Two war movies : Platoon & Casualties Of War - they both had scenes of gang rape, but both also had brave heroes who stood against the mob's barbarism, and that became the central theme of both stories. I don't know enough about the environment at this school to make a judgement or finger-point, but making judgements about right & wrong is an important and necessary part of being a human being in a civilized society. It should be a part of a child's education in schools, but I don't know if it is anymore.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:01 AM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Jeezus, of course Wulfie would take a truly horrible story, and turn it into a screed against liberals. You are such a hopeless douchebag.

It's clear logic:

Wolfenstar hates rapists.

Wolfenstar hates liberals.

Liberals are rapists.

Clear, right?

/snark. Pissed off snark. Pissed off enough to make me actually post to RWED after long away.

Douchebag indeed.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:12 AM

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This is not about me.

Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.

"(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.

1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.

1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?

2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"

Does anyone know the laws on this?

What would you guys have done?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:23 AM

AGENTROUKA

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
wonder what role alcohol played

Okay. No. I get so tired of hearing that excuse from criminals and their victims. "The evil fire water made him do it." No. If we were all honest with ourselves, we would know and admit that nobody does anything when they're drunk that they don't at least consider when they're sober. The most alcohol does is maybe quieting the "Maybe I don't want to do that, maybe that would be a bad choice, maybe that would embarrass me, maybe that would get me arrested" sort of thoughts people would generally have. Plenty of people ignore that part of their thinking without needed to resort to inebriation. Being drunk has become a handy excuse people can use to get away with bringing out the worst of themselves and parading it for the world. Sometimes the worst of someone is dancing on a table, singing badly and flashing people. Sometimes the worst of someone is rape or murder. Sometimes the worst of someone is standing around doing nothing when something terrible is happening.

Did I utter the word excuse??

I didn't and I'm a bit miffed that you used my post as an excuse to start off your rant.

Alcohol does lower inhibitions. Obviously it cannot create violent intent, but it can indeed enhance the willingness to go through with it. It's a part of the context of this crime and it might be a relevant one.

An environment where minors have easy access to alcohol can be an indicator for neglect and the resulting emotional numbness or aggression that could lead to such a scene. It IS a different situation if the 10 kids who watched were seriously drunk or if they were sober, since that does affect judgment and also their own fear of possible repercussions. It makes neither situation better, so I'm not implying excuses, but it offers up context.

There's some evidence that the mass rapes that occured in Berlin and other parts of Germany by the red army at the end of WW2 were in part fuelled and made possible by alcohol that soldier drunk in order to lower their inhibitions.

So bringing up the question of alcohol has absolutely NOTHING to do with excuses and everything with trying to understand this horrible incident.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:25 AM

RIVERLOVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
This is not about me.

Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.

"(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.

1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.

1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?

2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?"

Does anyone know the laws on this?

What would you guys have done?

The minute you pull out a gun in this situation YOU become the criminal, despite your good intentions. The rapists will eventually be testifying against YOU in court. Even if you're Chuck Norris you cannot fight off 15 people, so you get away and call the police, that's what you do.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:38 AM

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"The minute you pull out a gun in this situation YOU become the criminal, despite your good intentions. The rapists will eventually be testifying against YOU in court. Even if you're Chuck Norris you cannot fight off 15 people, so you get away and call the police, that's what you do."

Ok. So you are for option 2.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:39 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

One thing I notice that you're consistent with, Wulfie - you ALWAYS make note of the race of the "animals". Why couldn't you have just described them as "gang bangers"? You just HAD to go with "hispanic gang bangers", didn't you?

I guess this shows SOME kind of growth for you - at least you didn't assume they were black, eh?

By the way, aren't you also engaging in "liberal-minded blame shifting" by blaming the victim for not being armed? When you get right down to it, aren't the people who actually raped the girl to blame?

And I realize that you think the bystanders really should have called or done something, but are you condoning charging them with a criminal act for, in essence, choosing not to get involved? Doesn't that open up a dangerous doorway, in your view? I mean, if you see someone speeding, can you be charged as an accessory if you don't turn them in?

Mind you, I think the bystanders absolutely should have jumped in or at the very least called the police. I'm just trying to figure out where you put the line between "government shouldn't get involved" and "government MUST get involved, and anybody who doesn't think so should be arrested."

And ya know how it rankles people when folks try to use things like Columbine to insist on gun control, gun bans, and the like? "One or two madmen can do so much damage..." and so on and so forth. Well, it starts to get just as old and tired to constantly hear things like "...if only she'd had a gun, this never would have happened."
Really? You yourself stated that the "gang bangers (hispanic)" were likely armed as well. Woudln't this more likely just have turned into a shootout, with more likelihood of death than rape?

As always, your reactions leave me with questions.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:41 AM

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"... so you get away and call the police, that's what you do."

AFTER you take pictures and video with your cell phone, of course, so you can phone them to the police.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:45 AM

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The solution is to educate. Properly. I'm not just talking about reading and math, I'm talking about emotional education. Fostering empathy instead of violence and hatred and disregard.

Agreed.

Simply arming people without educating them is the quickest way to up the body count. Educate them properly, and they won't even need to be armed - not that you should take away the OPTION of being armed, mind you. But as Frem so often points out, your best weapon is between your ears. Learn it, use it, live it, love it.

Mike

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:55 AM

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"One thing I notice that you're consistent with, Wulfie - you ALWAYS make note of the race of the "animals". Why couldn't you have just described them as "gang bangers"? You just HAD to go with "hispanic gang bangers", didn't you?"

Yes. I do this because I feel that more media attention is paid to white people who commit crimes. (Duke?)

"By the way, aren't you also engaging in "liberal-minded blame shifting" by blaming the victim for not being armed?"

No, I am not. I am pointing out that the need to be armed is an absolute.

"Mind you, I think the bystanders absolutely should have jumped in or at the very least called the police. I'm just trying to figure out where you put the line between "government shouldn't get involved" and "government MUST get involved, and anybody who doesn't think so should be arrested."

Im not even close to bringing up involvement by government. My questions have been very clear and relate solely to the individual coming across this crime.

"Really? You yourself stated that the "gang bangers (hispanic)" were likely armed as well. Woudln't this more likely just have turned into a shootout, with more likelihood of death than rape?"

Well, we will never know now will we?

Let me ask you a question. Is your life so valuable, that you can sit idly by (maybe calling the police) while a little girl is gang-raped for more than 2 hours? Can you guys really live with yourselves afterwards?

I don't think I could.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:06 AM

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"... that you can sit idly by (maybe calling the police) ... for more than 2 hours ..."

I like the way you post that - AS IF any one of us would even hesitate calling the police. BTW - calling the police does not constitute sitting 'idly by', in that you are DOING something to end the situation

And, if the police had been called, it would not have been two hours.

Geeze Wulf - are you simple ?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:09 AM

AGENTROUKA

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Let me ask you a question. Is your life so valuable, that you can sit idly by (maybe calling the police) while a little girl is gang-raped for more than 2 hours? Can you guys really live with yourselves afterwards?

I don't think I could.

I think that's a deeply unhealthy and unrealistic approach.

No, I would not sit idly by. But yes, I do value my life so much that I don't want to get killed on a suicide mission. That doesn't make me a bad person.

I'm dang certain that I would call the police if I suspected such a situation, but I would not go charging in unless I had reason to think that this would be met with success and/or I could rouse others to come with me and create enough of a disturbance to make a difference.

Would it make the girl feel better if she knew someone was killed or beaten to a pulp or raped alongside her because they came to help her? Maybe, I don't know. I do value my life enough to make the choice to not risk that happening to me. I don't think I'd expect other men or women to go on a suicide mission to save me, should I be in such a horrible situation. I would expect them to call the police, or do anything they could without endangering themselves.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:57 AM

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I mean, I understand what you are saying.

But I couldn't stand by, even after calling the police, and do nothing.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:03 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/29/california.rape.victim.friend/inde
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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
wonder what role alcohol played

Okay. No. I get so tired of hearing that excuse from criminals and their victims. "The evil fire water made him do it."

I don't think asking if, or acknowledging that alcohol was involved is excusing anything - it is merely taking all facts into consideration. Alcohol does effect behavior, particularly in teens, who tend to binge drink when they drink. It's not an excuse for the behavior - but it's still an element of the events.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
This is not about me.

Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.

It's about they way you express yourself, and your asinine attempts to draw nonexistent parallels.

Keep repeating your question - no one cares, since you proved you were unwilling to answer question posed to you.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:31 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Ill repeat my questions for the 3rd time. Maybe someone can take a stab at answering them.

"(A) Tactically, what is the best way to handle a situation like this? Lets assume 2 scenarios.

1. You are armed. Legally, can you fire arbitrarily into the crowd? Or should you try and disperse them by firing into the air? These animals are, likewise, probably armed.

1(A) What charges can you face for having a gun, loaded in California, and trying to save the girl?

2. You are unarmed. Fall back, call the police, watch with the rest? Charge in after calling the police and try and pull them off?

What would you guys have done?

Option 3. I turn and smack you on the head and remind you about your wife and family.

I worked at a very busy, rowdy bar in college - lots of fights, especially on the weekends. On my first day the owner told me he could kick anyone's ass with one finger - then he pointed at the phone and said, "just dial 9-1-1" Being as he was an ex-hockey player and had owned the bar for years I took that as great advice. You jump in and you're part of the problem, all bets are off. Cops come along and it's night how do you now they don't end up shooting you?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:58 AM

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I guess I came here hoping for better than this.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Anyone else noticing that there is a media blackout going on with this story?

Guess they don't want you looking too close.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:11 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"I guess I came here hoping for better than this."

So it's not enough for people to say they would be morally COMPELLED to be active and call the police.

NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo --- that's not good enough for you. You want to INCITE (btw, that's what you're here to learn - not to how better discuss, but how to better incite) people into saying --- hell YEAH ! I'll be a fucking RAMBO and DIRTY HARRY all in ONE, man ! Gimme my GUN !
BRING IT ON !!!!!

And anyone who doesn't turn into a rEaving out-of-control gun-blasting MONSTER is somehow deficient.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:12 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Deport illegal aliens. Close the border. Problem solved.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:14 AM

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No media blackout - it was all over the internet news.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Better than what? Better than Take pictures and call the police? What were you expecting? That we - as adults- should all opt to take our guns to a homecoming dance, and start shooting?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:19 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I guess I came here hoping for better than this.

Nothing you have said can be construed to be a good answer to your own questions, and yet you criticize others for what you consider inadequate answers. Sometimes all you can hope for is to get as well as you give.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Deport illegal aliens. Close the border. Problem solved.

Do you have any evidence that anyone involved is an illegal alien, or do you, like most of your KKK brethren, just assume that anyone brown MUST be here illegally?

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:49 AM

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Well, Kwick, do YOU have any evidence they AREN'T?

So far, all anyone has to go on is the names of 3 of the suspects.

So no, noone knows if they are illegals or not. Don't think it really matters.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:56 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Well, Kwick, do YOU have any evidence they AREN'T?"

Innocent until proven guilty ?

Look it up.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Anyone else noticing that there is a media blackout going on with this story?

Guess they don't want you looking too close.

No. Since I read about it in a few places before you had started this thread.

Guess you're just not looking close enough. Or pushing your standard agenda. Maybe both.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:31 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

5. Ok, Hispanic gang bangers. We are surprised at this?

Hello Wulf,

Your capacity to offend seems to know no bounds.

Did you know that gangs were invented in Spain in 1592, and that gang rape was invented by the Spanish in 1612?

No?

Probably because it's not true.

Fix yourself, sir. Fix your assumptions.

Otherwise the world will have no use for you or any 'help' you might try to bring to it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:52 AM

BYTEMITE

I, um, I actually would get involved. But that's mostly 'cause I don't have a whole lot to live for.

Wulf, you may want to examine that about yourself, you don't seem to be aware of your self-destructive tendencies, and you do have a family.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:10 PM

DREAMTROVE

Allow me to translate for Wulfie:

Rape is caused by the spanish language, and the only cure is lethal projectile weapons in schools.

Story, I basically agree with your analysis, my point would be this: This happened because of the unreal artificial social environment created by the public school. This doesn't happen in normal society because there are people to intervene. It's the same logic by which atrocities happen in war: everyone is (historically) a teenage boy with a gun and no law, and scared out of their wits

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:13 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

You know, its telling that a few here would rather attack me, then the animals who did this.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Well, Kwick, do YOU have any evidence they AREN'T?

So far, all anyone has to go on is the names of 3 of the suspects.

So no, noone knows if they are illegals or not. Don't think it really matters.

Well, when PN starts in by insinuating that getting rid of illegals and closing the borders would end crime in this country, I'd say it DOES really matter, at least in his eyes.

So if all we have to go on are the names of 3 suspects, is that enough for you or him to make a judgment call on whether or not they're illegals? What if their names had been Finnegan, McKay, and Fitzgerald - would either of you ASSUME they were illegals then?

Mike

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
You know, its telling that a few here would rather attack me, then the animals who did this.

In that order!

It's telling that you think us asking questions constitutes as "attack" on you. Guess it's a good thing we're not face to face - you might have to shoot me for attacking you! But what if I have a gun, too?

Sorry, but you're playing the bullshit "if you don't immediately agree 100% with ME, then you're 100% with THEM" game. You know, like Bush used to do. You're either with us, or you're against us. Asking questions to try to get to the bottom of things doesn't mean anyone's siding with rapists, no matter how much you might try to make that fit into your tiny little worldview inside your tiny little mind. And for the record, this is why so many people have stopped trying to talk reasonably with you - because you seem to be a bomb looking for a place to explode.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:27 PM

BYTEMITE

Wulf. No. Everyone here thinks this was a bad thing. You asked a question about this, rather than asked what everyone thought about the boys who did this, so expect people to respond to THAT.

And even if they haven't answered your questions, which are loaded, unfair, and weighted to try to obtain a particular response, they have responded to statements and assumptions that were in your questions.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
5. Ok, Hispanic gang bangers. We are surprised at this?

Hello Wulf,

Your capacity to offend seems to know no bounds.

Did you know that gangs were invented in Spain in 1592, and that gang rape was invented by the Spanish in 1612?

No?

Probably because it's not true.

Fix yourself, sir. Fix your assumptions.

Otherwise the world will have no use for you or any 'help' you might try to bring to it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Anthony: I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for Wulf and PN, on behalf of white people everywhere. They don't speak for the rest of us.

On the one hand, I was kind of pleased to see that Wulf has grown beyond hating people just for being black. But then I realized that he hasn't really grown - he's just found out that he can hate people for NOT being white. Who's next, Wulfie? Jews? Filipinos? Chinese? C'mon, step it up - there's a whole WORLD full of un-white people out there!

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
You know, its telling that a few here would rather attack me, then the animals who did this.

Oh boo fuckin hoo. You actually did attack some of us in your initial post, and then whine because we don't want to wipe out the brownies over it.

Get a fucking clue, you chump.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Story, I basically agree with your analysis, my point would be this: This happened because of the unreal artificial social environment created by the public school. This doesn't happen in normal society because there are people to intervene. It's the same logic by which atrocities happen in war: everyone is (historically) a teenage boy with a gun and no law, and scared out of their wits

Well, as a teacher who spends every day in a High School, I just take issue with the whole "school is an evil brainwashing rape clinic" type statement.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Wulf. No. Everyone here thinks this was a bad thing. You asked a question about this, rather than asked what everyone thought about the boys who did this, so expect people to respond to THAT.

And even if they haven't answered your questions, which are loaded, unfair, and weighted to try to obtain a particular response, they have responded to statements and assumptions that were in your questions.

Yup. Byte nailed it. I haven't addressed your questions because what you've done is basically put up a "push poll", with questions weighted to ONLY give you positive feedback or make the other person look horrible in comparison. You've essentially worded things so that they basically say, "Would you kill 'em all, or are you a giant pussy?" What if the correct answer is "Neither"?

Truth is, I don't *KNOW* what I'd do in this situation. I've been in situations where I have, quite literally, blacked out with rage (actually, everything went white, but they call it a blackout), and only afterwards did I find out what happened, and only because friends who were there told me the gory details.

I think I can safely say that I *would* definitely call the police, and I defintely *would not* sit and watch for two minutes, much less for two hours. Beyond that, I can't say, but there almost certainly would be blood. I mean, hell, given what happened to that guy who kicked a stray dog that wandered into work that time, I'd hate to think what I might do to someone or some group of someones raping a little girl.

Mike

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:54 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

No, Kwick.

This is about a group of (and forgive me for not being able to call them human) PREDATORS/ANIMALS/NONHUMANS, raping a girl for HOURS. While some of the same evil animals stood by and watched.

Does race have something to do with it? When I started the thread, I didn't know the ethnicity of the victim. Nor did I care.

Had it been a gang of white kids doing it to some hispanic girl, I would be just as angry.

Didn't matter tho.

This is wrong, no matter what.

But forget it.

I guess you guys only care if its a hooker screaming rape at a bunch of Duke kids.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:54 PM