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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah, she saw the light and became religious. Some peeps see Jesus in a tree bole. Others think god is going to reward them with 72 virgins in paradise if they off themselves for their religion. There are nut-jobs all over the world. What's one more?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
wedge issue, but this is no surprise. Read what Roe of Roe v Wade says about it. Her story is that the whole court case was a sham, and she was railroaded, they wanted a test case, and told her what to say, coached her, and then afterwards she was disgusted with herself.

The fact is that whatever you may think about RTL as an issue, the law was made by the ZPG crowd. Who was it you just posted as saying that 250 million was a good population size for the Earth? I want to keep a list of these people.

Planned Parenthood is a pretty well known fascist organization, and probably responsible for me: They told my mother not to have more children because she had had a handicapped child, so she had me to defy them. And her a sound feminist and democrat. But what do you expect from Margaret Sanger.

Obama's science czar is one of these goons too, We should make a list.

David Rockefeller: The world population should be reduced by about 2/3

Nick Rockefeller: To achieve a sustainable population of 1 billion, 5 billion will have to die. Who cares how they die?

John Holdren, Obama's science czar, who favors mandatory abortion for single mothers and mass sterilization programs in the third world: Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution

Ah, here it is:

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner,

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Originally posted by rue:


You realize you have about as much credibility as PN, right ?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ooooh, this thread is going to explode.

I'll just reiterate my stance that 1) killing people and taking away choice in regards to family size (either for larger OR smaller) is a dark, dark road, and 2) we do need some efforts at managing impact and sustainability, though I remain unconvinced population control measures should be part of that. I maintain faith in technology that we can both reduce our impact, better support our growing population, and reduce suffering.

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Originally posted by rue:
"American Stonehenge: Monumental Instructions for the Post-Apocalypse
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/ff_guidestones"

Ooooh goody !

Now we're REALLY discussing reality here !

Aren't we, Out2Lunch ?

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Originally posted by rue:
Those fascist ZPG people are so good at what they're doing - that the world now has 7B people, and growing.

I don't think they're going to take over the world on this issue any time soon and exterminate the human race.

Do any of YOU think so ?

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Originally posted by rue:
So, does anyone have anything RATIONAL to say that's on-topic ?

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Africa, China, the Middle East, India, Pakistan

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Remember the Gulf war ? The one originally called by that name, the one between Iran and Iraq ? The one that was supposed to have decimated both populations ? BOTH countries have more people than ever.

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How do you think they are controlling China, I wonder ?

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1) who you think the 'globalists' are
2) how you think are they managing (or not managing, in this case) to reduce the planet's population
3) why they would have an interest in doing so, seeing as those populations are resources to exploit as both workers and markets.

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But all this talk of lowering the world's population - or even slowing down its growth - makes Byte nervous for some reason I can't fathom. B/c it's not as if the world is going to run out of people any time soon ...

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1) who you think the 'globalists' are
2) how you think are they managing (or not managing, in this case) to reduce the planet's population
3) why they would have an interest in doing so, seeing as those populations are resources to exploit as both workers and markets.

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"The one-child rule is implemented by the Chinese government ..."

Compared to India, it doesn't seem to be hurting them much. In fact, they are doing quite well. It's also supported by ~ 3/4 of the Chinese people.

"... which leads me to believe the idea for the one child rule came from outside and they were bought in some manner."

Here is where your train of thought derails quite seriously. You start with an assumption, then presume that somehow this (presumed) theory is being worked on by shadowy forces whose stealthy plan which has not yet been unleashed has escaped everyone's detection - but that of a few. Do you not see how tenuous your position is ?

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"LET THESE BE GUIDESTONES TO AN AGE OF REASON"

the message of the Georgia Guide stones

Russian, Hebrew, Arabic Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.

9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.

10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I know Dick Cheney eats babies. Maybe he could help.

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Originally posted by piratenews:

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"LET THESE BE GUIDESTONES TO AN AGE OF REASON"

the message of the Georgia Guide stones

Russian, Hebrew, Arabic Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.

9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.

10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

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Translation: Genocide your enemies, then breed like rabbits with your harem of hotties.

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Worldwide, the population control movement was active throughout the 1960s and 1970s, driving many reproductive health and family planning programs. In the 1980s tension grew between population control advocates and feminist women's health activists who advanced women's reproductive rights as part of a human rights-based approach.

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Originally posted by rue:


You realize you have about as much credibility as PN, right ?

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Sure...

That's a compliment , actually , though a touch back-handed...

For whatever else he's worth , at least he's an advocate of Free Speech , unlike you and your little neo-Commie gang...

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At least he digs around and publishes his information...Not all of it passes muster , of course , but at least he advocates for the Freedom of Mind and Conscience over in utero infanticide , the Ultimate Rape of Beautiful Minds and Tiny Defenseless Bodies Human...

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Originally posted by rue:
"For whatever else he's worth , at least he's an advocate of Free Speech , unlike you and your little neo-Commie gang..."

Are you trying to claim yet again that Kwicko tried to have you banned from the site ?

Prove it.

Just so we all know that you're not lying, again.

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Originally posted by piratenews:

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"LET THESE BE GUIDESTONES TO AN AGE OF REASON"

the message of the Georgia Guide stones

Russian, Hebrew, Arabic Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. (sounds good)

2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.(hmmmmm - sounds a bit like eugenics)

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.(esperanto didn't really take off)

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. (yup)

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. (yup)

6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.(yup)

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.(yup)

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.(yup)

9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. (um, not sure what that means - sounds poetic)

10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature. (yup)

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Simple solution to the whole concept of abortion.

Not lettin it come to that in the first place, education and access to birth control of choice - hell, as everyone knows I consider the Trojan Man a national hero.

Of course, the very same folk railing against abortion are often the folk who indirectly caused it to come to that by politically blockading the education and access that would have made it a non-issue in the first place...

But try telling THEM that, without a tire iron in one hand when ya do it.


-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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"LET THESE BE GUIDESTONES TO AN AGE OF REASON"

the message of the Georgia Guide stones

Russian, Hebrew, Arabic Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. (sounds good) [I know, right? It's not saying you have to KILL or MURDER 6.5 billion people - it's saying you don't have to keep doubling your population every few years. You CAN have negative population growth, and still have progress.]

2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.(hmmmmm - sounds a bit like eugenics) [I'm all for individuals guiding their own reproduction wisely and seeking fitness and diversity. I'm not so much down with passing laws that enforce it upon us from without. But wouldn't it be nice if people would take it upon themselves? Take some of that "personal responsibility" they're always prattling on about?]

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.(esperanto didn't really take off) [Mandarin? Seems to be the growing thing, language-wise.]

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. (yup) [Gorsh. That sounds downright... reasonable. It'll never happen.]

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. (yup) [Scandalous!]

6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.(yup) [Outrageous!]

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.(yup) [Inconceivable!]

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.(yup) [I think they used to teach a class called "Civics" in school. It had nothing to do with small Honda cars.]

9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. (um, not sure what that means - sounds poetic) [Truth is beauty, beauty truth.]

10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature. (yup) [Blasphemy!]

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
and in Georgia??? That would not have been in my top 25 guesses for the location of those stones.

Yoko Ono and others have praised the inscribed messages as "a stirring call to rational thinking", while opponents have labeled them as the "Ten Commandments of the Antichrist".
The Guidestones have become a subject of interest for conspiracy theorists. One of them, an activist named Mark Dice, a Christian conservative political activist, demanded that the Guidestones "be smashed into a million pieces, and then the rubble used for a construction project", claiming that the Guidestones are of "a deep Satanic origin," and that R. C. Christian belongs to "a Luciferian secret society" related to the New World Order.
At the unveiling of the monument, a local minister proclaimed that he believed the monument was "for sun worshipers, for cult worship and for devil worship"
In 2008, the stones were defaced with polyurethane paint and graffiti with slogans such as "Death to the new world order." Wired magazine called the defacement "the first serious act of vandalism in the Guidestones' history".
As of October 10, 2009, the stones bear a variety of graffiti, including splattered polyurethane, a silver spray-painted monkey, some anti-George W. Bush rhetoric, and a variety of quotes from classical authors such as from Shelley's "Ozymandias." The vandalism has yet to be repaired; moreover, it is unclear whose responsibility undertaking such repairs should be.

If I were a conceptual artist I would consider the defacement an essential part of the piece.

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My POINT - which you seem to keep evading - is that the one-child policy seems to be working well enough for the Chinese that the standard of living is much higher than India - and rising. And economic growth is much higher than in India. It seems to be working for them.

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The 'new world order' seems to constitute agreements between governments to solve multi-national problems - something governments have been doing since there were governments - not the 'one world government' you were talking about.

As for the population cites, people have been talking about this ever since Malthus. And, they would be more convincing if you could find a cite that says they intend to foment war as the main method to reducing population of the extras.

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The workers who don't have a job, from what I understand, are shit out of luck until they find somewhere they can fit in and work, and have to move around constantly looking. I also understand employment isn't permanent from day to day, so every day they have to come back and HOPE that there's an opening for them, and that they won't get turned away.

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