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Beyond those, I don't like to see free speech limited, however it may offend ME personally...tho' getting Fox off the air or making them tell the TRUTH...oh, well, one can dream...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Nik, you misunderstand my meaning. I'm saying, LET THEM keep saying this kind of stuff. Let 'em go one making shit up, and let them keep getting away with it, and get more and more brazen about it - AND THEN SLAM THE DOOR ON THEIR HEADS. Let them overextend themselves, and then envelop them and wipe them out. It's a classic military maneuver - let the enemy penetrate the center of your lines a bit (don't make it look easy, or let them get too much ground, but enough to give them a false sense of impending victory), draw them in deeper, and then the ends pincher their force off from its support, envelop it and completely surround it, and cut it to ribbons.

Let FauxNews think they're winning, let them think they can do whatever they want - and when they really go over the edge, call 'em on it. Sue 'em for all their worth. Force a retraction, an apology, etc. Hey, it cost Dan Rather his job, and there isn't a single conservative or neo-con who'll ever again let you use CBS News as a credible source - and they've got their "documentation" to back them up. All we need is the same from FauxNews, which in their hubris they can't wait to cough up.

And, since all of "the liberal media" are on the same page and in bed together (Aren't they? That's what Faux keeps telling us!), it shouldn't be too hard to stage a coordinated attack once they overstep their lines too egregiously. Hell, I thought maybe Rushbaugh had hung himself with the whole "Obama Thesis" hoax that he was totally taken in by, but the rest of the media didn't seem to pick up on it.

Gee, maybe the rest of the media really AREN'T in cahoots with each other...

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Originally posted by perfessergee:
My point is that if you're not willing to defend the rights of speech of those whose ideas you absolutely despise, you got nothin'. Nothin' at all.

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Originally posted by perfessergee:
My take on this is a bit different than what is being expressed in this thread. We debated this a long time ago on this board and I got into some memorable (to me at least) debates with authoritarians (I wish they knew who they were, but they don't realize it) regarding the propaganda of organizations that advocated truly reprehensible conduct. Well, they (the authoritarians) were quite happy to throttle speech they didn't like, just not their own.

My point is that if you're not willing to defend the rights of speech of those whose ideas you absolutely despise, you got nothin'.

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Originally posted by perfessergee:
My point is that if you're not willing to defend the rights of speech of those whose ideas you absolutely despise, you got nothin'. Nothin' at all.

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I make a point of it, and said exactly as much regarding that jackass Phelps, or whatever his name was...

But lemme take that a bit further up - not just the right of free speech, but ALL human rights, not just those of one color, creed, sex or belief, cause by doing that you are unwittingly emulating the very oppression that such actions often occur in response to, and it's why those who concentrate on a single right, or rights for a single segement, get short shrift from me.

Unless one stands for ALL human rights, for ALL humans, then they're just feeding the cycle.

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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