Going Rogue by dreamtrove

Niki,

dear

don't be a stereotype. You're just proving me right.

Chris,

I firsted you on the whole Palin 2012 Mayan apocalypse thing.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:57 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Like I said before, Wulf, there have been myriad discussions and debates in threads much longer that this one, with intense feelings and the usual number of snarks, etc. Does that mean everyone's "freaking out" about every topic? I don't think so. Because this thread is about Palin is no indication anyone's freaking out--actually, nothing I've SEEN is. I've seen the usual snarking of political enemies, and actually I saw a LOT more freaking out about Obama, Clinton, Dumbya, Cheney (tho' that IS a good thing to freak out about!), you name it. I haven't heard one single person talk about fearing her, except above (and there a good point was made).

We have LOTS of political debates that get heated. Does that mean that everyone fear the other party or parties? Do long, intense discussions have to mean there's fear involved, or can it just be heated disagreement?

Your and others' theory about this just doesn't hold water. Can't stop you from mistaking disgust and disdain for "freaking out", but that doesn't make it true.

DT, again, are you teasing me? You mean you can't even conceive that intelligent people might feel negative about her because she's lied, cheated and shown no grasp of policy? Wow...that's weird! I gave you more credit than that. How can you be blind to all the stuff she's said and done, and convinced people are "envious" of her? Eeep! As to fear, I guarantee I have absolutely none of her; I'm convinced she'll fall by the wayside in time, as she's not sensible enough to attract any but her base. It may take a while, but you wait and see. I only fear those who actually threaten me, and I certainly don't see her as a threat...nor does my husband, nor Choey, or anyone I know.

Then again, we DID get Dumbya...

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:00 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Originally posted by Hero:
Thats true...it was only 11 more then they used to fact check Obama's book.

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Cite, please...can you prove that?

http://constitutionclub.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/ap-assigns-11-fact-ch
eckers-to-palins-book-finds-six-errors/

They found 6 minor errors in 500 pages. Wowie wow wow! Question is why the process in the first place?

Obama book - no AP fact checkers
Hillary book - no AP fact checkers (maybe some fat checkers though)
Biden book - no AP fact checkers...that's the real scary one!! Retard Joe Biden wrote a book?? And BTW Joe, how's that Secret Service detail working out for ya lately? Let's see, 3 limosine crashes in one week that put a couple of innocent folks in the hospital!...that's quite an accomplishment even for a lame-ass incompetent done-nothing-for-40-years moron like you. Looks like we all need Govt Healthcare just to insure against you! I guess they assign the lamest agents to cover the lamest excuse for a politician.

Has Biden killed as many people with his car as Laura Bush has with hers?

And by the way, amongst all these claims that there were no fact-checkers on any of the above-mentioned books, I note for the record that nobody has to date provided any cites to back up those assertions. I can only guess why that would be. ;-)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:02 PM

Jong

Good point. Forgot one: Bill Clinton, well known for lying his ass off, wrote a book in which he lied his ass off. I don't remember anyone saying anything.

Remember this man started his govt. by killing upwards of 200 american citizens, and then said of the charred corpses after committing the greatest peacetime non-political mass homocide in world history said "we have reason to believe that these children were being abused." Nice justification for killing them. Also untrue, but that's beside the point. He would then go on to kill ten million more people. Didn't happen to mention any of that in his book. That's one of the reasons I have "knowing when to walk away" as one of my major criteria.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:38 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

There are lots and lots of specific questions regarding Obama on FactCheck. But they only list one question and one resource that a quick search can find relating to his book:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_st
and.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/02/sweet_column_reprise_obamas_bo
.html

I'm quite willing to accept that FactCheck has a bias toward liberals, but anyone can fact check a book...why doesn't/hasn't someone check/checked Clinton/Obama's books besides them, and does that make the lies in her book any less valid? Just thinkin'...

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:51 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

ahem.

FactCheck my nuts.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:16 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

The Republicans have offered alternative health care, stimulas, and war plans.

When? WHEN have they offered these "plans"? John "Boner" Boehner said IN APRIL that the Republicans would present their healthcare plan "within days". He should have mentioned it would be more like 180 days. And what a plan it was, huh? For a mere $61 billion more than we currently pay, the Republican "plan" would cover 3 million FEWER people. That is just AWESOME "planning".

What was their "stimulas" plan? Their entire history of stimulus plans consists of handing money to the rich. Look at not just what they PLANNED, but what was actually DONE under Bush. Over $800,000,000,000 handed out - GIVEN - to Wall Street with no strings attached, no questions asked. It should be noted that while this was going on, Palin's running mate was claiming that there was no problem. And then "suspending" his campaign to deal with the problem that wasn't there.

What was your "war plan"? Your guys already had eight years to figure that one out, and Bush dithered them away without any kind of solid footing in Afghanistan. In fact, he came right out and said that it wasn't going to be his problem, because he was going to hand it off to his successor to deal with. Again, that's some truly visionary "planning".

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In fact to only bi-partisan plans are the Republican ones.

Isn't that an oxymoron? I can as easily say "the only bipartisan plans are the Democrats' plans" and be at least as correct as you are in your claims.

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"You ARE... nothing." Well, there you go. Thats the argument. You see me, Republicans, anyone who disagrees as "nothing". Its personal, emotional, and irrational and completely justifies anything you might say or do.

Ah, much as you've always seen anyone who disagrees with your views as America-hating terrorists. Right? That way, it completely justifies anything you might say or do.

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Thats why its ok to be sexist toward Palin and racist towards black Republicans (and Democrats) who disagree with you.

Again I ask: Can you show me WHERE and HOW I was "sexist" towards Palin, or "racist" against black people who disagree with me? I mean, not that you're "making personal attacks" on me or anything, but you just did with that base accusation, which you've never once been able to provide a scintilla of evidence for.

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"You Lie!" was really just bad timing. He should have waited a week.

Or an hour, for one of your posts.

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I don't post every day. I work for a living. Next week a vacation. Never the less over the last few years I have engaged in numerous substantial debates most of which end the same way (I win, names get called).

I've noticed you seem to not post particularly on days when I've just handed you your ass. For a "lawyer", you have a very loose relationship with "facts" or "truth". You've never won any debate that I've witnessed, but you HAVE called lots of names.

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Trillion is a big number, Obama used it more then anybody else. He quadrupled the debt in the first hundred days...to the tune of trillions.

Once again, I must say, "You LIE." Bush almost DOUBLED the debt. That's the national debt, which under Dubya went from $5.6 trillion to over $10.5 trillion. There's a big "debt clock" devoted to it; they had to add another digit to it under Bush's regime, because he increased the national debt to over $10,000,000,000,000. As of September 30, 2009, it stands at just over $11.9 trillion. That means that Bush ratcheted the debt up by almost five trillion dollars. Obama has added less than two trillion to that number. I hope you're better at math than you are at English, but so far it doesn't look that way.

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I agree, it was bad in 1983. I'm reading the Reagan diaries, he was fighting a huge battle in 1981 and 1982 to get his economic reforms in place. The difference is by 1983 faith in our system had been restored, people were working again, new innovations and industries were in the works, a new age of prosperity was in place. People had more money, they were using it to start businesses, go to school, consume, create, and innovate. None of that energy is present in the current economic climate. Mostly its folks praying their job isn't next.

So again, must I point out that you seem willing to give Reagan (a Republican) more than three times as much time as you'll afford Obama (a Democrat). Is it because of their political parties, or because you're a racist and Obama is a black man?

You point out that Reagan was "fighting a huge battle to get his reforms in place", and you seem to say that completely un-ironically. How is that possible? Is Obama NOT fighting to get his reforms in place? Have the Republicans and tea-baggers NOT fought him tooth and nail at every turn and step?

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The Republicans offered a stimulas package. It cost about a quarter of Obama's and was comprised mostly of tax incentives and infrastructure improvements. The Republicans offered a health plan, it focused on tax incentives, easing restrictions on states to allow for a more diverse marketplace for insurance and drugs, and easing restriction on small businesses to allow for pooled resources...and tort reform. I don't think anybody doubts that Republicans would have been closely involved with responding to the Afgan troop requests. I suspect given similar conditions McCain would have gotten the troop request in August and responded...in August.

That's cute, trying to guess what McCain would have done. Al Gore wouldn't have gotten us attacked on 9/11, or invaded Iraq in a futile attempt to show his daddy how bad-ass he was. Gee that's fun! Let's keep playing revisionist history!

As for tort reform - I thought conservatives were all about taking responsibility for your own actions. Now you want to limit your liabilities for your fuckups? You want to place payout limits, so you can screw up and kill people and have it NOT cost you more than a grand or so? Really?

What's the total percentage of healthcare expenditures that goes to paying for malpractice payouts and lawsuits? You don't have to look it up; I've got the figures. It's less than one percent. Your beloved and vaunted tort reform would cut LESS THAN ONE PERCENT from healthcare costs. Kudos to you - you Republicans have done it again. You've come late to the party, and have brought nothing of value with you.

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The Republicans would not have spent valuable time and resources in a pissing match with FOX (or MSNBC). They would not have wanted to bring Gitmo terrorist to middle America or wanted a show trial for KSM in New York. Alternative...Gitmo and military tribunals (although I think Bush should have got off his ass and gotten those trials done, after all its not inventing the wheel, they've been done before).

Again, YOU LIE. Both of those claims are demonstrably, categorically false, and have been extensively documented as such. Hell, even Dana Pirino came right out and admitted that the Bush Administration went after MSNBC specifically.

And where was Zacarias Moussaoui tried? Right here in the good ol' U.S. of A., that's where. And where is he imprisoned? Why, right in the very HEART of middle America, in Florence, Colorado, that's where.

Do you ever get TIRED of being so wrong for so long?

And what's the problem with trying criminals in American courts of law, who commit their crimes on American soil? Do you have so little faith in the Constitution and your justice department, or so much fear of two-bit punk-ass common criminals, that you don't think our great nation can survive putting someone who is no better than a street hood on trial in this country? Do you REALLY think that the military should be in charge of who gets tried in this country, and how?

I heard Rudy Giuliani claim that we wouldn't try the people who attacked Pearl Harbor in a criminal court, and my first thought was, "Well, DUH, you idiot. We were attacked by the JAPANESE NAVY!" Tell me, "Hero", what nation's military attacked us on September Eleventh? I know you think it's an act of war, but what nation was it that attacked us? Iraq? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? Egypt?

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'You are nothing' is you opinion of me and Republicans and Sarah Palin. Thats why you can't win the argument. You've forgotten there are two teams on the field (I know, I see the Browns do the same thing from my plush club-level seats). You are like a guy who thinks he a champion poker player because he does real good playing the computer.

I've already won. You've been reduced to citing "facts" that you pulled out of thin air, and worse, they're EASILY proven to be lies. You're the guy who just woke up after a long night of drinking, realized he was on second base, and thinks he actually hit a double. You don't even realize the game was two days ago.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Good questions. We eagerly await your answers. Last I heard, the AP employs around 3000 fact-checkers, so 11 isn't really a high number, I wouldn't think.

Thats true...it was only 11 more then they used to fact check Obama's book.

So you're saying that no one fact-checked Obama's book? And you say that as if you're okay with it?

YOU read it, right? What did you find? Oooo - did he admit to being born in Kenya? Did he?

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:44 PM

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RiverLove, is that you in that pic? You've lost weight!

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:51 PM

So, Wulfie, DT...

I take it you both think Hillary is super-hot? And you live in mortal fear of her?

I mean, isn't that your entire argument at this point? That those who don't like Palin secretly think she's hot and they only dislike her because of fear?

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:57 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
ahem.

FactCheck my nuts.

That was weak, even by your unusually low standards.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:08 PM

Mike

Hillary is very much not hot, but yes, I fear her. She's evil.

Palinphobia is irrational. Silly liberals. Partisanship is for kids.

Seriously, I posted the other because you need to put down the campaign pin like Wulf needs to take the lawn jockey and sell it on ebay.

BTW: Ack! Grouped with Wulf in a post. Sorry wulf, but Ack!

I didn't say liberals hated Palin because she's hot, though now that you mention it, she is hot.

Wulfie,

She's not a cheerleader, she's a basketball player. Bush was a cheerleader.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:20 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
ahem.

FactCheck my nuts.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:27 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

hehehehehehe

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:52 PM

Originally posted by Kwicko:

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Originally posted by Hero:
When? WHEN have they offered these "plans"?

The Republican Health Care plan was offered a before Pelosi's plan and was rejected without debate. It was less then 300 pages...Democrats need at least 1800 pages. They hate trees.

The Stimulas plan was presented a couple weeks before the final Democratic plan and was about a third of the cost with most of the money in immediate tax cuts and block grants for state infrastructure projects.

The war plan was the plan called for by our general when he requested the troops in August and it got immediate support when the request was revealed at the end of September.

You didn't see them cause, as Mr. Cena would say, you can't see me. Or maybe: "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

Liberalism can have a strong influence on the weak-minded...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:56 PM

Chris,

Don't you realize I only started this because I wanted a 100+ post flame war? I knew that nothing fires up a war like Sarah Palin.

Oh dear.

Palin 2012. Because what's an apocalypse without an anti-christ?

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:59 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thats true...it was only 11 more then they used to fact check Obama's book.

So you're saying that no one fact-checked Obama's book? And you say that as if you're okay with it?

YOU read it, right? What did you find? Oooo - did he admit to being born in Kenya? Did he?

No. I'd have been surprised to see that since he was born in Hawaii. No fan of birthers.

What I did find that surprised me was that I like Obama. I disagree withh everything he's done so far, but I respect the man.

I liked Bill Clinton too, would never vote for him. Never liked Hillary or ALGore. Didn't care for Romney or Rudy, but would have supported both. Never liked Kennedy, always liked Lieberman.

Never really mixed my politics and personal.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Chris,

Don't you realize I only started this because I wanted a 100+ post flame war? I knew that nothing fires up a war like Sarah Palin.

Oh dear.

This was never about Palin. Its never been about Palin, not even when Palin was named to the ticket.

Not one anti-Palin person on the board has read her book. They read the gossip, repeat it, make some of it up, repeat the jokes, hurl the insults, but not one bit of informed critical analysis.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:03 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Originally posted by Hero:

Common ground...didn't see that coming.

What? From me?

Hero, we agree all the time.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:30 PM

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Hero:
What I did find that surprised me was that I like Obama. I disagree withh everything he's done so far, but I respect the man.

It's interesting. Everyone seems to agree on this point. I can't follow the others, except hating Rudy and distrusting Romney. I was appalled by the Clintons.

But re:Palin, it's not her, you're right, it's what she represents: The successful non-feminist female who didn't sleep her way up to the top, who is just a mom married to a fisherman, and yet can make it because she's not as dumb as people think, or as she plays. She wasn't picked out of total obscurity, she was picked out of being the governor of Alaska.

I posted this earlier re: Jesse Jackon

Everyone remembers I'm sure Jesse's comment about wanting to castrate Obama. Deep down, that's the same damn thing: Obama is not a civil rights advocate. He's not black power, he never knew MLK, and probably didn't care. He's a law professor, and social mover and shaker, who made it in a white man's world without every playing the race card. Just like Colin Power and Condi Rice. People like Jackson made their whole lives about "sticking it to the man" "overthrowing white power" and "bringing justice for the black man." It really ticked Jackson off that a guy who happened to be black but didn't give a damn about his private little war could just sail right past him, and just become the man, moving up the same way as everyone else, completely ignoring his being black.

Guys, this isn't about gender issues or race issues, it's about politics. The people who succeed are the people who play the game, and if you play it well, it will take about 20 seconds for everyone in the room to forget what group or background you come from. Everyone remember the Bush Whitehouse's stance on the Mexican invasion? Well, wasn't it just a little paradoxical that his closest personal advisor, whitehouse council and attorney general was a Mexican-American? Did anyone catch how exactly the Gonzalez family came to America? Oh yeah, they snuck across the border illegally, and sought work in construction. Did anyone care? No. No one cared. No matter how much fuss there was about the related wedge issue, no one on either side of the aisle blinked an eye even once at this. People cared about his qualifications and his policies and ultimately his judgment and forthrightness, and decided that Gonzalez was just untrustworthy, and was much pushed to step down. It took some pushing. But when these troubles arose, no one on either side of the aisle even made a crack about mexicans or illegal immigrants. No one cared.

Moral? Don't lead a revolution to get justice for your oppressed minority, just do the damn job.

And yes, sure, I understand there are a lot of feminists who fought this fight for years already. I'm sorry for your wasted effort, but we can all quit today, and move on: No one likes confrontation. Confrontational people don't win allies. Those born female are among the oppressed minority of 3-4 billion. It's a non-issue until you make it one, and when you do, you lose.

Oh, and a couple words about previous female candidates who didn't lose because they were women:

Geraldine Ferraro is the representative from the Klan. Enough said.

Carol Moseley Braun is the state senator from the state of embezzlement

Hillary Clinton is the Senator from Hell, and also Homocide, drug trafficking and multiple counts of felony financial fraud.

So, I guess MLK was right: These people are judged by the content of their characters.

ETA: I would stand in line for the undead Frank Herbert.

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Friday, November 20, 2009 2:11 AM

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Not one anti-Palin person on the board has read her book. They read the gossip, repeat it, make some of it up, repeat the jokes, hurl the insults, but not one bit of informed critical analysis.

I note for the record that the exact same things can be said of every PRO-Palin person on the board. None of you have read her book, all of you just repeat the talking points you're handed by Limbaugh and FauxNews, and not a single one of you has offered one iota of informed critical analysis.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, November 20, 2009 3:01 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Hero:
When? WHEN have they offered these "plans"?

The Republican Health Care plan was offered a before Pelosi's plan and was rejected without debate. It was less then 300 pages...Democrats need at least 1800 pages. They hate trees.

Was that the "Plan" that just said "Die quickly"? Why'd they have to waste 300 pages for two words? Talk about hating trees...

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The Stimulas plan was presented a couple weeks before the final Democratic plan and was about a third of the cost with most of the money in immediate tax cuts and block grants for state infrastructure projects.

Okay, if you're going to keep using the word, PLEASE learn to spell it correctly, especially if you're going to capitalize it to show how important it is to you! It's "STIMULUS". That's not a "personal attack", any more than you saying that all Democrats "hate trees" is a personal attack. It's an observation; if you're going to argue the merits of a thing, you should probably know how to spell it.

The economic stimulus plan put forth by the Obama administration is larger, but probably not large ENOUGH (according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman), and it included tax cuts and block grants for infrastructure projects. I guess that means you support it, then.

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The war plan was the plan called for by our general when he requested the troops in August and it got immediate support when the request was revealed at the end of September.

That wasn't a "war plan" - that was a request for more troops. By the way, how many times was Bush asked for more troops for Afghanistan? How many times did he turn those requests down flat, saying that those troops were needed in Iraq? For more than SEVEN YEARS, he "dithered" on Afghanistan, refusing to follow through on any commitment there while American soldiers died as a result of his indecisiveness. He made no concerted effort to get Bin Laden, even when he had every chance. He turned down requests and demands for more troops when the situation was rapidly deteriorating. And yet you and other Republicans supported him at every turn, ONLY because he was a Republican, and for no other reason than that. You can't really mix your personal with your politics much more than that. As you've said yourself, even when you don't like the Republican, you'll vote for them and support them, and even when you DO like the Democrat, you won't support them or vote for them. If that's not mixing your personal feelings with your politics, then what the hell is?

By the way, that call for more troops for Afghanistan from General McChrystal? It is NOT widely supported, except by people who want to remain in a constant state of war in Afghanistan. Many policy experts, even the ones with boots on the ground in Afghanistan, have called for a U.S. pull-out from the region, since we're having a deleterious effect on the stability of the region. In Afghanistan, we're about where we were in Vietnam when Westmoreland asked for more troops even after it was widely agreed inside the Pentagon that the war could never be won, no matter how many troops were sent there.

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Liberalism can have a strong influence on the weak-minded...

Well, gorsh, I *hope* you're not "making personal attacks" with snippy comments like that. I guess liberalism CAN have a strong influence on the weak-minded, since arguing against it seems to have completely fried your tiny little brain.

For the record, when you claim you "don't make personal attacks" and then spew your usual "all liberals are..." arguments? Yeah, that's about as non-personal as Wulfie telling his N-word jokes and then saying, "Uhhhh... no offense if you're black." I could just as easily say that the 9/11 attacks were nothing personal against any of the workers in the twin towers. Would it make the attacks any less horrific for the families of those who died in them?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, November 20, 2009 3:36 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Hero:

This was never about Palin. Its never been about Palin, not even when Palin was named to the ticket.

Not one anti-Palin person on the board has read her book. They read the gossip, repeat it, make some of it up, repeat the jokes, hurl the insults, but not one bit of informed critical analysis.

No, it really is about her. It's about her as our President that a lot of people can't stand. The president really should be smarter than me.

"Read her book?" I'm as likely to get the truth from her book as you were from the Reagan Diaries.

"What about Her Policies?" They're whatever the polls or her handlers tell her they should be. Family, less taxes, less government... Policies are easy. Knowing what magazines she reads, that one's hard for her.

Reps can do better - you guys have so much gunk on your side... maybe it's politics in general? How we fix that? We give it so much attention that only attention whores want to do it?

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Friday, November 20, 2009 4:18 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I have thought a lot about Palin, and the best way for me to convey my feelings about Palin is to commit a Wulfism. So Wulf, if you're reading this, then know that this bud's for you.

Palin tries to look like Kira Nerys, but comes off as the Duras sister B'Etor.

I love Kira Nerys. In the right universe, I'd vote for her. Smart, sexy, and holds to conservative values. Also honest and strong. Put her on the Republican Star Trek Ticket, and I'll vote. Twice, if the Ferengi can wrangle a way. ;-)

B'Etor is sexy. She comes off as relatively uninformed, and is guided by others in what to say and do. Even so, she frequently fubs up a detail and makes her camp look a bit foolish. You get the impression that if she had supreme power, she'd do something inappropriate with it.

I don't know who the Kira Nerys is of American Politics. I don't think it's Clinton, who reminds me more of Janeway. Some diplomatic skills there, but I wouldn't want her steering the ship.

When we get a female president, I hope she's fantastic. Women deserve a good representative for their country and their gender at the top of things. A sub-par representative would simply harm the women's movement.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:33 AM

So, Tony, Nicole Kidman for President?
Sure she's australian, but she was born on a layover in Hawaii, and has spent a total of 14 years here, not contiguously, but enough to make her just squeak by the criteria. Plus she's mad hot.

lol@this

Palin tries to look like Kira Nerys, but comes off as the Duras sister B'Etor.

Actually, I disagree, I think she's aiming for B'Etor, but comes off more Kira. The whole red an black thing is very movie villain. Or perhaps she's aiming for Ayran Sun, but comes off all Chiana.

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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:36 AM

Oh, and by the way...

Those "tree-hating Democrats"? Ummmmm, yeah...

Senator Mark Begich just came out with some interesting footnotes to the healthcare reform bill and Sarah Mooselini's li'l book. Seems if you take that 1900-page healthcare bill and set the font style and size to match Sarah's book, the bill comes in at 413 pages - about 3 pages LESS than "Going Rogue".

And John "Boner" Boehner (he's from your 'neck of the woods, isn't he, "Hero"?), he of the neon orange year-round spray-on tan and the ultra-patriotic red white and blue eyes - he says the healthcare bill should have pictures so he can read it.

But thanks for playing. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
"Read her book?" I'm as likely to get the truth from her book as you were from the Reagan Diaries.

I'm betting you never read the Reagan Diaries either.

It goes day by day, says what he did, who he met with, anything that happened, and what he thought about it. Not much room for lies and I don't think anyone has disputed anything in the book. Its usually just a few lines every day talking about what happened and maybe a line about what he thought, all written before he went to bed.

H

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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
So, Tony, Nicole Kidman for President?
Plus she's mad hot.

Maybe ten years ago.

H

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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Palin tries to look like Kira Nerys, but comes off as the Duras sister B'Etor...B'Etor is sexy.

Please, the Duras sisters are the Patty and Selma of Star Trek.

I met Janeway when her husband was running for office. Nice lady.

Last year I had the opportunity to prosecute a certain red-headed Doctor, but I did not authorize the charge since there was not sufficient evidence. That would have been so cool. Anyway...if you see an annoying 16 year-old acting ensign/genius walking around with a black eye, don't be surprised if he tells you "he fell down" or "he ran into a door"...and it makes me wonder the REAL reason we had a substitute Doctor for a season or so...I'm just sayin.

H

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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:41 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think B'Etor was one of the three most attractive female Klingons we saw in Trek history. The others were the mother of Worf's child, and Quark's ex-wife.

But she was a wooden-headed simpleton manipulated by her betters.

Kira, despite being a conservative minded individual, managed to cross the aisle on several occasions. Her one flaw was her devotion to religion that exceeded all other devotions, although I think her experiences helped her to overcome that to some degree and be a more effective and free-willed leader.

I'm sure that Mrs. Columbo is a fine lady. Horrible Captain, though. I gritted my teeth through most of Voyager. I often wished that Trek could have found a better-written female Captain than Janeway. Someone more inspiring. Even the briefly seen Captain of the USS Enterprise-C had a better presence and character than Janeway- and she didn't live through the entire episode.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:57 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
"Read her book?" I'm as likely to get the truth from her book as you were from the Reagan Diaries.

I'm betting you never read the Reagan Diaries either.

It goes day by day, says what he did, who he met with, anything that happened, and what he thought about it. Not much room for lies and I don't think anyone has disputed anything in the book. Its usually just a few lines every day talking about what happened and maybe a line about what he thought, all written before he went to bed.

No I never read it. Still sounds like there's room for misremembering, deflections, omissions if not flat out lying though.

I do look forward to reading your replies to Kwicko's posts though.

He continues to raise some good points.

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Friday, November 20, 2009 9:14 AM

Oh, it's high-larious, Pizmo - especially in the later entries.

"March 16: I made a doodie in my pants. Mommy came and changed me and got me cleaned up. Then I talked with Fitzwater about Iran. Or Iraq. One of those countries that's more brown than us. Maybe Mexico or Guatemala. Then I counted to 'potato' and made another doodie."

"April 4: Talked to Barry Goldwater today. Or Jack Kennedy. I can't remember. Anyway, we all agreed that our favorite barnyard animal is the telephone. Tomorrow is a vote on Medicare. I'm urging everyone to vote 'Pancakes' on it. Hooray pancakes!"

Mike

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Friday, November 20, 2009 10:44 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Somewhat unkind, Mike.

--Anthony

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Friday, November 20, 2009 10:56 AM

BYTEMITE

Anthony: Probably. I laughed, mostly because of the shock value.

...Suddenly I REALLY want pancakes though...

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Friday, November 20, 2009 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Somewhat unkind, Mike.

Just "somewhat"?

I must be slipping.

Yes, I'm unkind when it comes to Reagan. He hurt an awful lot of innocent people, and I don't mind that he died miserably. I don't believe in gods, but there are times I *wish* I did, because I'd want Reagan to meet a god who was vengeful beyond all imagining.

Mike

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Friday, November 20, 2009 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

...Suddenly I REALLY want pancakes though...

In my experience, there's never a bad time for pancakes.

Okay, while driving isn't maybe the BEST time for them, but every other time is pretty much okay.

And now *I* want pancakes too!

HOORAY PANCAKES!

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Friday, November 20, 2009 12:03 PM

BYTEMITE

I compromised with waffles. :)

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Friday, November 20, 2009 12:15 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I had a thought. Some seem to need to believe those of us who don't like Palin are "afraid" of her or envious or something.

So. I have equal disdain for O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Malkin, Beck, and numerous Congresspeople who have made absurd, ridiculous statements. Does that mean I'm afraid of all of them? Those people aren't in the news as much, is the only difference I can think of. I don't believe those people have any more chance of running this country than Palin does, so I don't "fear" them any more than I do her.

There are candidates for 2010 and 2012 whom I have no doubt I will be disdainful of and disgusted by once they start campaigning, does that mean I'll be afraid of them, too?

I just can't figure out why the right needs so badly to believe those of us who don't like her are afraid of her...it doesn't compute.

On the other hand, I was definitely afraid of Bush, as was my husband...and what happened was far worse than our worst fears. George HW, however, we weren't afraid of, nor any of the other Republican candidates I can think of.

So what gives? I'd really like to know why this mindset that we're afraid of Palin. Is it just because that's the pap ClusterFox and its ilk put forth, or is there some other reason for it?

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Friday, November 20, 2009 12:33 PM

DICKCHENEY

Why the fear?

Because that's how we've programmed Republicans to think! They only know and respond to fear. So we give them something to fear. And if you don't like something, then you must be afraid of it, cuz that's how we'd feel. We fear what we don't know!

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Friday, November 20, 2009 12:42 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

This was never about Palin. Its never been about Palin, not even when Palin was named to the ticket.

Not one anti-Palin person on the board has read her book. They read the gossip, repeat it, make some of it up, repeat the jokes, hurl the insults, but not one bit of informed critical analysis.

Hell no I'm not gonna read it. Have read the fact-checking on it, which was enough to remind me how pathetic she is.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, November 20, 2009 12:55 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good gawd...WHY would you want to have Cheney's name for a handle? Weird...

Now THAT is some I truly DO fear...

...ahd hate, and believe is insane, and...maybe pity, when it comes down to it.

(Actually, your explanation might be a good one...Dumbya and Dick certainly trained them well to react out of fear...)

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Friday, November 20, 2009 4:34 PM

BYTEMITE

It's someone's joke alt handle. Last time he appeared, he accidentally shot me then disappeared through a pentagram into the floor.

Or WAS it an accident...?

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Friday, November 20, 2009 4:41 PM

1. Palin went rogue by quitting her book signing yesterday. Light dwindles.

2. Obama spends taxpayer dollars for war on Palin, uses Palin for fear mongering, like Cheney used Al Qaeda. Light almost out.

3. Star Trek's Seven of Nine, Jeri Ryan admitted that she lied, fabricating stories of sexual misconduct of her ex-husband to cause now president Barack Obama to win a Senate Seat in an upset election. Allegedly, she just wanted to hurt Jack, not destroy America, cause a second great depression start World War III.

It's pretty dark over here. Anyone got a candle?

Okay, sure, I'm like Fox, I have a slant, but I'm a little ticked as Palin right now, and also the Borg princess.

A lot of people have a lot to answer for. Mike Huckabee anyone?

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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:16 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I love Kira Nerys. In the right universe, I'd vote for her. Smart, sexy, and holds to conservative values. Also honest and strong. Put her on the Republican Star Trek Ticket, and I'll vote. Twice, if the Ferengi can wrangle a way. ;-)

BWAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHA!
Tony, that's GREAT!!! LOLLOL

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, November 20, 2009 6:52 PM

Quote:
1. Palin went rogue by quitting her book signing yesterday. Light dwindles.

Okay, honestly I thought you were making this up. Then I saw it on Drudge.

That. Is. Just. PRICELESS.

So tell me - are you pissed at her, or do you FEAR her?

On the other hand, she is getting REALLY good at this whole quitting thing. She ought to turn pro at it. ;)

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:36 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
1. Palin went rogue by quitting her book signing yesterday. Light dwindles.

She's getting smarter - this time in Col., she didn't quit, she just told Borders Books to reduce the number of people she'd see see from the originally promised 1000 to 500.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/11/21/pal
in21.ART_ART_11-21-09_A1_TDFOFBK.html?sid=101

"The third day of Palin's book-signing tour was a smashing success, although it did not turn out happily for all. Borders had announced that the first 1,000 in line by the store's 10 a.m. opening would be guaranteed to get their books signed, two per person.

But Palin's staff called the Sawmill store early yesterday and told managers to cut back to 500 wristbands, causing hundreds to be turned away.

"The reason was she was not able to get through all 1,000 wristbands," said Misty Bohland, general manager. "Everybody's upset with Borders, but Borders was just doing what Palin's event staff asked us to do."

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:49 AM