New evidence on Chemtrail theory by dreamtrove

At first I posted something here about chemical ignition of clouds at sunset, but then I thought about Columbine High School, and shining darting silvery fish schools in a wooden container.

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:42 PM

Didn't work. Now Mikey owes me a sundae

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:00 PM

It's win-win!

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Monday, November 16, 2009 2:57 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's win-win!

No kidding!

Sundae's in the mail. :)

Although this does bring to mind another strategy. Instead of posting up batshit theories for PN to glom onto, just post 'em on his existing threads, and steer those threads right over the nearest cliff. Heck, he tries to do it to us; why not use his own tactics against him? Swarm-attack, I believe Frem calls it. Swarm the PN threads with ever-crazier wackness, and either steer them into Troll Country, or change the subject so much it goes into completely unrelated (but more informative) directions.

Just a thought. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of it.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, November 16, 2009 3:00 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Didn't work. Now Mikey owes me a sundae

Oh. And before you say "didn't work", give PN some time. Remember, he has to assimilate entirely new threads of reality and weave them into his conspiracy-web. I've no doubt that he's actively researching this info at this very moment. And he HAS posted lots of stuff about elves and sprites in relation to clouds, so the idea of them eating the chemtrails is definitely not out of the question, especially for a mind as... ummmmmm... interesting as PN's. ;)

Have a little faith!

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Monday, November 16, 2009 3:03 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
At first I posted something here about chemical ignition of clouds at sunset, but then I thought about Columbine High School, and shining darting silvery fish schools in a wooden container.

"shining darting silvery fish schools in a wooden container."

what is that from?? It's catchy prose, beautiful and sad.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Monday, November 16, 2009 3:04 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Didn't work. Now Mikey owes me a sundae

You sprung the trap too soon... posting on a Sunday night (late?), the animal trails are too quiet then.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:03 AM

Re: Swarm Attack, John calls it carpetbombing, It's not the content that I find annoying as the tactic. And I hope he realizes that I'm also insane.

I'm still on hiatus, and have a tremendous amount of work to do. As for a Sundae, send one like this:

As for faeries in clouds, post related link threads.

More for the theory:

Ooh: You couldn't really spread chemicals this way, the math sucks, it's like the whole depleted uranium thing, or poisoning the NY water suppy, people really need to do the physics before they follow this stuff, but how about this one: Spreading a virus!

I'll give Pirate News this, when someone such as myself attacks one of his theories, he'll bother to defend it, which is more than I can say for the folks who used to post lunatic things like "Osama bin Laden attacked the world trade centers" or "we invaded iraq to save the kurds."

Yes, america has magical missiles that only kill bad guys. Honestly, anyone who believes this is probably better off believing in cloud faeries.

Ooh, and one more snark for the rest of y'all: anyone notice that the evil of america stopped dead for the much of the left when a democrat got in office? A surge in Afganistan wasn't called a surge, the bombing runs that killed thousands of civilians we no longer call "war crimes" (last I checked the death toll was around 20k civilians, about 1700 americas, unofficially, which may by less than Bush, but a lot more than most) So, I support Obama's idea for War Crimes against members of the previous administration. I really do. I wonder if he is willing to stand trial himself ;) [/snark]

Oh, and not unnecessarily attacking the administration, just speaking truth to a total lack of power. I'm just noticing a certain Nixon quality here: Oh, I inherited a war, carry on, carry on; rather than an Ike approach of let's nip this thing in the bud.

Notice also that theories tend to attack the govt, because govt. policy doesn't really change? Maybe attacking the president is just a misdirection, it's probably the guys in the back room whose names we don't know.

But back to Faeries: Don't let Tinkerbell die!

Also, my UFO broke down, where do I go for parts?

http://images.sodahead.com/images/polls/0/0/0/7/2/4/4/2/3/polls_UFO_20
House_20TOP_20GI_5715_163395_poll_xlarge.jpeg

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:31 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Nazi gay porn star declares martial law to gas citizens with CYANIDE
http://www.naturalnews.com/022158.html

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Afterburner or Chemical Crop duster?

Here's the original uncensored version:

NWO had to add aluminium and barium to jet fuel after lead was removed from gasoline

This metal reflects microwave/HAARP signals back down to Earth, and when breathed amplifies cellphone signals to cook the brain.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:38 AM

*Blink*

Your guess is as good as mine, guys.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:46 AM

Pizmo: Do a barrel roll for great justice.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:52 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Pizmo: Do a barrel roll for great justice.

more riddles... Google says:

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FIREFLYFANS.NET
"shining darting silvery fish schools in a wooden container." what is that from? ? It's catchy prose, beautiful and sad. Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue ...
www.fireflyfans.net/linearmthread.asp

infinity loop (man they're quick!)

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Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 AM

DRAGO

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Nazi gay porn star declares martial law to gas citizens with CYANIDE
http://www.naturalnews.com/022158.html

Okay, seriously. You list Gayness on an equal evil scale with being a nazi who cyanides a population?

Get your priorities straight. :\

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Monday, November 16, 2009 6:15 AM

As I understand it, Drago, PN equates homosexuality with pedophilia, and there's also something there about an international pedophilia ring with links to juvenile discipline camps, and the guys who ACTUALLY took Madeleine McCann from that Portugal hotel room.

But where he is mistaken is that most homosexuals are not pedophiles.

I've also heard that PN had a descent into Christianity in the last few years, which doesn't improve his opinion of the orientation.

He considers homosexuals as pedophiles, and pedophiles he considers satanic free-mason cultists, which he also conflates with the cult of Sinai, which has some influence in the Jewish faith. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but there's also something about the original semite Jewish bloodlines versus converted Jewish bloodlines and facets of WWII involved in the conspiracy theories.

Anyway, it's complicated.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:12 PM

John

Okay, I have to give you credit. That was fucking awesome. I stand humbled

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Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:12 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Airplanes sprayed mysterious substance over Ukraine days before pneumonic plague outbreak
http://fto.co.za/news/airplanes-sprayed-mysterious-substance-ukraine-d
ays-pneumonic-plague-outbreak-2009110615732

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Kiev, Ukraine - Authorities in the town of Kiev, Ukraine denied any spraying of "aerosolized medication" by aircraft over the city. This after it was reported that light aircrafts were seen flying over the forest market area that sprayed a aerosol substance to fight h1n1 or swine flu.

5 Sources confirms this and the local newspapers of Kiev also received hundreds of phone calls from residents and business owners close to the area the planes were spraying the suspicious substance. Not only that but local businesses and retailers were "advised" to stay indoors during the day by the local authorities.

As if that is not enough, the government authorities also pushed the radio stations in Kiev to deny the reports. Online on forums, websites and blogs reports came in about eye witness accounts that confirms this. There was also reports of helicopters spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil and throughout Ukraine.

30th October the Ukraine president Viktor Yushchenko ordered the army or Ministry of Defense to establish mobile hostpitals to provide “essential medications” for people infected with h1n1 (swine flu).

Then just recently the entire Ukraine was put under martial law, more shocking is the statement before the serious pneumonic plague broke out “Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Pneumonic plague, United States Patent 7572449, anything to do with the Ukraine?
http://fto.co.za/news/pneumonic-plague-united-states-patent-7572449-an
ything-do-ukraine-2009111715816.html

Chicago biowar scientist dies of Plague 13 Sep 2009
http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1711

Just a coincidence.

Plague Doctor hazmat suit with gas mask
www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2616026.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death

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During the Middle Ages, victims of the bubonic plague were used for biological attacks, often by flinging corpses and excrement over castle walls using catapults. In 1346, the bodies of Mongol warriors of the Golden Horde who had died of plague were thrown over the walls of the besieged Crimean city of Kaffa (now Theodosia). It has been speculated that this operation may have been responsible for the advent of the Black Death in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

Silverware and garlic was the Top Secret cure.

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Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:28 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Drago:

Okay, seriously. You list Gayness on an equal evil scale with being a nazi who cyanides a population?

Gayness is very popular among career criminals. Makes jail feel like vacation at the Playboy mansion. If you'll eat shite off a dik you'll probably do anything to anybody without hesitation.

Arnold is as queer as you can get.

Arnold is son of a Nazi police chief, stepson of a Nazi legislator, makes a Nazi salute, wears a Nazi beltbuckle, says he admires Hitler.

Jus sayin.

Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber Rothschild and 150,000 Nazi soldiers were jews

NSFW: piratenews.org/arnold-swartznigger-girlyman-magazine.jpg

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"I saw this toilet bowl. How many times do you get away with this, to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating there. The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman, she's a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group."
-Arnold Schwarzenegger, describing a scene in Terminator 3

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Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:53 AM

Interesting theory: Perhaps PN gloms onto every new conspiracy theory because each of them has traffic.
It's like a lunacy aggregator

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Gayness is very popular among career criminals.

John, this is confusing cause and effect. Yes, you're statistically correct, but it's more likely that this is because they spend so much time in prison. If you take two male rabbits and put them in a cage together long enough, a majority of the time you will end up with two gay rabbits, but the majority of wild rabbits are not gay, indicating that it is somewhat situational.

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Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Drago:

Okay, seriously. You list Gayness on an equal evil scale with being a nazi who cyanides a population?

Gayness is very popular among career criminals. Makes jail feel like vacation at the Playboy mansion. If you'll eat shite off a dik you'll probably do anything to anybody without hesitation.

Arnold is as queer as you can get.

Arnold is son of a Nazi police chief, stepson of a Nazi legislator, makes a Nazi salute, wears a Nazi beltbuckle, says he admires Hitler.

Jus sayin.

Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber Rothschild and 150,000 Nazi soldiers were jews

NSFW: piratenews.org/arnold-swartznigger-girlyman-magazine.jpg

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"I saw this toilet bowl. How many times do you get away with this, to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating there. The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman, she's a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group."
-Arnold Schwarzenegger, describing a scene in Terminator 3

Sorry, but I just had to capture this one for posterity.

Note the web address PN assigned to a picture posted on his very one website. Note the spelling HE prefers to use to spell the governator's last name.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:04 AM

Mike,

Attacking PN's credibility is, well as someone else just put it, "shooting fish in a barrel".

Credit him with the research acumen that he brings to these debates, disagree with him, but recognize that we're all basically a bunch of loons, and if he outstrips us at times, then, well, it just makes him king loon.

Just because we're loons, doesn't make us wrong. But if someone is wrong, just target that.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:39 AM

FREMDFIRMA

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCuckoolanderWasRight

Happens far more often than folks like to admit.

-F

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:30 AM

I recall from the 9/11 committee hearings, before the ommission report, this exchange:
I forget who the senator was, I think it was McCain, but it might've been Leahy, the Administration official I also forget, I think it was Cheney.

Senator: But there were warnings of a terrorist attack

Administration: Only the extreme alarmists were saying that Osama bin Laden would fly planes into the world trade centers. You can't listen to yahoos who cry the sky is falling.

Senator: With all due respect sir, the extreme alarmists were right.

If someone can find the clip, post it, it's very telling.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike,

Attacking PN's credibility is, well as someone else just put it, "shooting fish in a barrel".

Credit him with the research acumen that he brings to these debates, disagree with him, but recognize that we're all basically a bunch of loons, and if he outstrips us at times, then, well, it just makes him king loon.

Just because we're loons, doesn't make us wrong. But if someone is wrong, just target that.

Hello,

I have somehow remained ignorant all these years of posting here. Piratenews' research acumen never became apparent to me.

For the record, a stopped watch sometimes tells the correct time, but no one would prefer it to a functioning chronometer if they wanted to know what time it was.

A small portion of Piratenews' ramblings sometimes happens to be right. However, I would not consult him any more seriously than I would consult a telephone psychic or internet palm reader.

If he approached his arguments logically, vetted his sources, and narrowed his arguments to exclude personal racism and religious bias, he might be one of the great news sources of our time.

But that's like saying a two legged dog could be a great dog race contestant if only he had those two other legs.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:11 PM

Tony

You misunderestimate him.

The fact that Frem and I both bother to pay attention to what he has to say should say something. It's not our anti-semitism or love of UFOs that drive us.

Actually, to be on the level, John is not really a lunatic, he just pretends to be one on the internet. He's really a pretty informed guy. He's just realized like any media personality that absurdity gets more attention

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:16 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think you overestimate him. This is not the kind of attention you're looking for.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:05 PM

I agree. I'm not shouting from the rooftops, or supporting anything like the post on the top of this thread, which of course was an attempt at humor.

I do think that his research abilities are quite good, and he has uncovered a lot of things. Sure, he coats it in crazy, most of which is an act, but some is skewed by christianity.

If you read people who disagree with you, you learn. If you read people who really disagree with you, you can learn a lot.

My first encounter with Pirate News was when I posted my first thread, he had been absent from the forum, and appeared on my thread and spammed it with vicera. I think I called him a Nazi. Since then, I've gotten to know him off forum, he's really a pretty bright guy.

My main difference is he wants attention. I don't. I don't seek any attention at all. I'm a tomato farmer with a 5th grade education and an income of practically zero. I support myself, and have no problem doing so because I opt out of society, and carry no debt. I also have two properties, a moderate amount of land, all tolled not a lot of asset value, but I pay no rent, maybe 200 a year in taxes, in short, I live at a level that is probably sub third world, but I'm quite content. As I mentioned more than a few times, I'm a Taoist, though I have no problem with the kind of christians around here, who are more jesus like, and not too different from myself. I read their bible two times through from beginning to end, it's about 800,000 words but a good read. I decided I like their Christ, but not their God. I'm not a simpleton as you can tell, but in a way I am. I'm very much like my peers, and yeah, I wouldn't have a problem voting for Sarah Palin.

All of that said, I'm very familiar with the political scene, and the corporate scene, and travel a great deal. I've been way outside of my milieu here. I used to be head of the state Reform Party (Perot) and have worked for the democrats and virtually all other parties, I've also worked a lot with computers, programming, teaching, and helped design one of the online search engines. I've been a corporate CEO, I have a strong background in medicine, but true to my faith, I live a low profile by choice, which is to say, essentially a no profile. I have no ambitions for myself. If someone tracks me down and finds me, they won't be surprised. I'm never going to come under fire for the sort of things Pirate News would, not because I'm the descendent of holocaust survivors or my pro-Israel stance, which doesn't go so far as to support some of the extreme actions of recent regimes, but is to the right of the forum here, but because I'm really not an agitator.

The whole area here is full of this mindset, and no one attracts attention, because it's not what you say or know, it how you act that really attracts attention.

Pirate News is out for publicity, shock value, and audience. I don't have any interest in that. He says a lot of what he says for those reasons, but that doesn't mean I fault his underlying research... usually.

When I do, I argue the point. We've had a number of discussions about things like the conversion of Khazar jews or the nature of secret societies like Bohemian grove, and the total non-significance of the owl statue there. Eg. The owl statue was built by some artist for no reason. The occultists incorporated it into their ritual because it inspired awe. So called human sacrifices made by so called satanic cults are nothing more than mysterian cover for regular homocides.

I believe in facts, not theories, but I investigate theories because official stories are generally filled to the brim with propaganda. Betsy Ross didn't design the flag, the flag is the flag of the East India Company, who became the US Navy, with the help of Benedict Arnold IIRC, and they defeated the British at sea. There was essentially not much of a revolutionary war. The war was won at sea by the Navy, who then took over the country, which is why we fly their flag.

These are the sorts of things that I know because people like Pirate News and Fremdfirma post what I call "Rabbit holes."

The nature of the rabbit hole is not that it reveals to you the information in a propagandistic manner that convinces you that some random piece of BS like Chemtrails is reality, or that HAARP is anything other than a radio telescope for measuring ionic activity or whatever. Rabbit holes are very long trails of personal research that can be done by anyone who has access to unlimited information from all sides, which is available on the interest to people who know what they're looking for.

Here's one:

Neocon.

I was reading an article about 5, 6 maybe 7 years back that said off handedly "Neocons, who have been in politics for 30 years." Well, of course, I've been in politics quite a lot, so I already knew this. But it didn't strike me until that moment that no one had called them "neocons" in the press until quite recently. I decided to google the origin of the term. It was used by Michael Harrington to describe the defection of Irving Kristol from the Social Democrats in 1972

That's a rabbit hole. All of the above are search words returned by one piece of information that lead to a wealth of other information that would ultimately lead the researcher to conclusions far outside the accepted mainstream viewpoint, that neocons are some kind of far right christian splinter group. But the rabbit hole is not a conspiracy theory, and contains no theories within it. It's a list of connected well recorded facts that allows one to beyond a shadow of a doubt reconstruct the real origins and nature of the neoconservative movement and evolution, as well as all institutions and people connected with it, and their *stated*, not theorized, goals, as printed all over the place in their many publications by their prominent members and taken on as official postitions of their many organizations, their influence over public and private sector, etc. etc. etc.

Knowing this for what it really is, is infinitely superior to reading some rant by some dailykos democrat on neocons, which you then begin to realize is either hopelessly misinformed, or intentionally misleading and manipulative.

So, What service Pirate News performs for the world is that he researches topic in excruciating detail and spins them however he pleases, but who cares, there are plenty of rabbit holes in amongst the random irrelevant lunacy he posts, or perhaps spams.

It's like people who don't read Henry Ford because he's anti-semitic. It's like not reading Mark Twain or Albert Schweitzer. I don't care what someone's slant is, or how they spin it, Ford is a brilliant industrialist, and I would be a fool not to read him. Ditto for Karl Marx, Adam Smith, or anyone else who really knows their subject. Would you really not read Nietzsche simply because you disagree with him?

So no, I don't want to be Pirate News, but I'm glad he's there, and would hold that he provides a useful service to those who take the time to listen. Just don't listen to the spin, and avoid the fairly obvious dead ends like Chemtrails, and apply your inner filter, find the key facts, and then research them yourself, with an objective Joe Friday attitude.

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Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:48 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"So, What service Pirate News performs for the world is that he researches topic in excruciating detail"

Hello,

Piratenews is very selective about how far he takes his research, and in what directions. He only goes into excruciating detail in directions that support his particular belief or bias. He completely fails to research other avenues that may provide ample evidence against his belief or bias.

It's akin to someone who believes in the spontaneous generation of flies in decaying organic matter. He might research from here to next year about how maggots and flies universally and mysteriously spawn from spoiled produce or deceased carcasses. He'll have videos of maggots forming on the dead flesh. He'll have links to articles about how the heat of decaying organics must interact with the chemicals in the cells to form the conditions on Earth at the beginning of creation.

And he'll overlook the simple, logical, and straightforward explanation for maggots and flies.

This is the disservice that Piratenews provides. And by performing this disservice incessantly, he ensures that any value contained in his message is absorbed by only a scarce few.

If he's a showman, well then he's a showman who is ruining the plot, chewing up the scenery, and making a mockery of the script. If you're trying to convey a message or even make people think, it's not the most productive way to do things.

There ARE people who do better research and communicate that research much more effectively, and those are the people you should encourage and support. Frem, for one, conveys many of the same messages as Piratenews, and often manages to convey the message in a way that doesn't drive away his audience or inflame them on tangential subjects that detract from the point.

Maybe I'd be very impressed by Piratenews if I met him in person, but I'm not likely to. This is the place where he meets the world, and where he blasts the information he supposedly craves to convey into a million pieces.

Occasionally, very rarely, he posts something useful, and when he does I do acknowledge it. And then he usually fubs it up with Nazis and Jews and other tangential nonsense.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, November 20, 2009 2:06 AM