Why does everybody at Fox News call Palin by her first name? by MalBadInLatin

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ignoring PN's idiocy..."because she's their buddy, and making her sound more familiar puts her in the same class, as in 'she's on our side'." Just guessing.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:34 AM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ignoring PN's idiocy..."because she's their buddy, and making her sound more familiar puts her in the same class, as in 'she's on our side'." Just guessing.

That's my guess too. How gullible do you have to be to fall for it too. Righties are really disadvantaged because they only have one source for cable tv news.

Fox News, the place to go for news if news is not what you really want

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:12 PM

TRAVELER

I don't watch FOX news, therefore I do not know about such things.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:43 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Maybe they don't want to confuse people into thinking that Michael Palin will be running for president in 2012.

More likely though they are just hot for her and hope that being less formal increases their chances of hooking up with her.

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:10 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Are they still working Obama's middle name into their every story about him, just to make sure all of us know that he's a "secret Muslim" and an Iraqi despot? ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:36 AM

Just a peep from redneckistan here:

Sarah because she's a girl, but this isn't sexism. It's just a level of familiarity contrasted with the number of people with a given name.

You can watch this in gossip media all the time. They'll choose to lose the last name and just go with "Nicole." Occasionally, they'll mean Nicole Ritchie or someone, and then it's all confusing, because we have assumptions about who they mean. Generally they can't do this with "Jenny" or "Mike."

Here, everyone had a name, and ussually not their real name. It's like Geezer's story about Bear, everyone has names like that, because when you get right down to it, everyone is Bob or John or Janet or Valerie.

But when you limit the pool, like "Women running for president" you're safe with "Sarah" or "Hillary" with no risk of confusion. You could not, however, go with "Joe." You mean Biden, or Lieberman? Al Gore, or Al Sharpton?

I suspect, also, that there are more girls names overall.

As for Obama, people only need one moniker, and Obama is pretty easy to deal with. There are no other Obamas around, except Michelle, and people were always pronouncing Barack "barrack" and they tried "Barry" but it didn't take much, and yes, the Hussein thing is about the secret muslim thing.

But take another example. On the Daily Show "Aasif" is the only Aasif, and Mandvi is more difficult. If the show were hosted in Mumbai, where Aasif is really from, then there might be a few Aasifs about, I don't know. Probably more Mandvis. But still, when it comes to John Oliver, he's John Oliver, not "John" because that would be confusing.

It's just common sense. Say you were referring to a past president, and wanted to catch it in one. Which would work best:

George
Bush
W

See?

Now "Clinton" works, but after Hillary, he is getting relegated to "Bill" except as "President Clinton." If she becomes president, he'll retroactively become just "President Bill."

I'm only anticipating one President Sarah, so I don't see a problem with it.

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:52 AM

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I'm only anticipating one President Sarah, so I don't see a problem with it.

The fact that you're anticipating even one, and don't see a problem with it, concerns me. I'm not sure whether I should be rolling on the floor laughing, or hiding under the bed cowering. Or maybe both at the same time. ;)

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:13 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ditto Mike, only I wouldn't hide under the bed. Move to Canada, maybe.

And I don't agree with your theory, either; I go with what the majority of us said about Faux News wanting to align themselves with Sarahcudda.

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:46 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Prob'ly because she's in their pocket. They can't call her Governor Palin, 'cuz everybody would correct them to " EX- Governor Palin."
Personally, I'm in favor of calling her " The Moose Whacker."

Now there's a title for a History book:
"From the Bull Moose to the Moose Whacker, a History of the Republican Party From Roosevelt to Palin."

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:58 PM

CHRISISALL

"Moose sniper."

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:03 PM

Mooselini.

It fits.

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:27 PM

I meant I don't see a problem with calling her Sarah. You all know that it takes me a very long time to make character judgments on anyone, I've still not made one on Obama who I've been following for 5 years, but I don't care for the policies, I still don't know whether to blame Obama or Clinton for them.

It's *way* too early to cast any judgment on President Sarah, or even speculate, but I wasn't talking about the concept, only the use of the name Sarah. I didn't think it was out of line.

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Monday, December 14, 2009 4:31 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Just for fun, I went to the Fox News site and searched videos for the keyword "Sarah". The first four I looked at, all the commentators refered to either "Governor Palin" or "Sarah Palin". So it doesn't look that common for them to use just her first name.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, December 14, 2009 6:29 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Just for fun, I went to the Fox News site and searched videos for the keyword "Sarah". The first four I looked at, all the commentators refered to either "Governor Palin" or "Sarah Palin". So it doesn't look that common for them to use just her first name.

Its not common. "Governor Palin" is used most often when talking to her, Sarah Palin is used most often when talking about her.

This whole thread is just crazytalk. Do some people call her Sarah? yes. Is it common? no. Do they call her 'ex-governor Palin' or something similar? sometimes, but not often because people are often referred to by their former titles as a gesture of respect. Its not uncommone to hear people talking to or about Governors Huckabee and Romney, Ambassador Keyes, Presidents Clinton, Bush, Bush, and Carter, etc.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, December 14, 2009 7:10 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Wolf Whacker. Arial-hunting airhead. But "nutcase" fits best, for me.

DT, I never said what you wrote was "out of line". I just disagreed with it.

And yes, I don't watch Faux News but I'd bet you're right, Geezer, that how they refer to her encompasses all those titles, and Sarah as well. And I agree, "Governor" would probably be used as well, as the same courtesy title other are given. It's a moot point; the WAY they talk about her (the messiah almost) offense me more, in the video clips I've seen.

Did anyone see the clip of her parents when they were interviewed during the campaign? In a room filled with fur rugs, the head of everything conceivable crowding the walls...made me sick, and showed me where she got THAT mentality!

Ah, I found a photo...it was titled "Sarah Palin; Parents and Corpses". Yup, about says it all in that respect!

As to Fox Noise: They're pushing her because she forwards their agenda, and their agenda makes them money. Pure and simple. To me.

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Monday, December 14, 2009 6:15 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, I don't watch Faux News but I'd bet you're right, Geezer, that how they refer to her encompasses all those titles, and Sarah as well. And I agree, "Governor" would probably be used as well, as the same courtesy title other are given. It's a moot point; the WAY they talk about her (the messiah almost) offense me more, in the video clips I've seen.

Okay.

You immediately bought into the "Fox always refers to Sarah Palin as 'Sarah'" thing. Didn't check at all. So you probably don't watch Fox News much. But you then decide that they talk about her like a messiah. Is your source for this as reliable as the 'Always call her Sarah' one? Or are you just buying into the propaganda? Again?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, December 14, 2009 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Okay.

You immediately bought into the "Fox always refers to Sarah Palin as 'Sarah'" thing. Didn't check at all. So you probably don't watch Fox News much. But you then decide that they talk about her like a messiah. Is your source for this as reliable as the 'Always call her Sarah' one? Or are you just buying into the propaganda? Again?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Weren't you the one who once claimed that Huffington Post lies and shows a clear bias?

I take it from that statement that you read an awful lot of Huffington Post, so you have a wealth of experience upon which to base your assumptions.

Or were you just buying into the propaganda? Again. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, December 14, 2009 7:15 PM

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www.piratenews.org/fox-news-owned-by-communist-china.html

Nik,

Didn't say anyone said anyone was out of line, but I wasn't referring to myself. I meant FOX's use of "Sarah" is probably not out of line. If the left had objected to the use of "Hillary" they would have more credibility on this issue, which is also not personal. I think this is a pretty dead issue. I just analyzed it in a redneck way, and don't really care anyway, so, moving on. Just my two cents.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

Why does everybody at Fox News call Palin by her first name?

Two words -- brain wash.

This week Hannity nearly cried when asked to explain why Palin quit as governor. Lots of stuttering.

Hannity is paid $20-million/year to lie to you, just for his radio show. Probably the same for his TV show. Pretty good tip for a bartender. Fox fired Colmes after his brain exploded.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/sean-hannity-gets-100-mil_n_114026.h
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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

I though Fox was fair and balanced?

The Chinese owners of Fox live in Commie China as Chinese citizens. COMMUNIST China. COMMUNIST...

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:39 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weren't you the one who once claimed that Huffington Post lies and shows a clear bias?

Not at all. I googled 'Huffington lies' and posted some links from folk who did accuse Huffington of lies and bias, just like Huffington had accused Fox of lies and bias. My question was, "Each side says the other lies. Who can you believe?"

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I take it from that statement that you read an awful lot of Huffington Post, so you have a wealth of experience upon which to base your assumptions.

Since I made no such statement, and no such assumptions...

Although I did look at the "Top Ten Fox Lies" segments on Huffington, which is what that thread was about.

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Or were you just buying into the propaganda?

Actually, pointing out the propaganda - from both sides.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:42 AM

They forced Palin out to undermine her 2012 run.

It's a shame, she should really have stayed and gotten more powerful allies. Being governor of Alaska during a great depression would be an excellent standpoint to run for president, since your state would look so much better than the rest of the nation.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:08 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

You could not, however, go with "Joe." You mean Biden, or Lieberman? Al Gore, or Al Sharpton?

Swung by the Fox News website the other day to check out EC's ( Sorry, Geezer's claim , not EC's-- they use the same photo of Robert Heinlein in their sig. My bad.) claim that they didn't use "Sarah" so much.

There it was on their home page, their big lead story about health care: " Joe Sez No". Leiberman, of course...

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:37 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
They forced Palin out to undermine her 2012 run.

It's a shame, she should really have stayed and gotten more powerful allies. Being governor of Alaska during a great depression would be an excellent standpoint to run for president, since your state would look so much better than the rest of the nation.

Again with the "they" nonsense. Unless you can specifically name names and show evidence, this is just so much speculation and hearsay, and as such, is no more valid than any other OPINION.

WHO "forced her" to quit her governorship? Was it the same THEY who FORCED her to abuse her power in having her ex-bro-in-law fired?

This is pretty much like claiming that "they" collapsed the financial sector just to make Obama look bad in 2012.

Sorry, but I tire of hearing everything get attributed to "they" and "them".

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:19 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Geezer: Nope, not buying into propaganda. Deciding from actual clips I’ve seen of Faux Noise offered elsewhere than the station themselves. They speak for themselves.

DT, you misunderstood. I said

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DT, I never said what you wrote was "out of line". I just disagreed with it.

Was agreeing with you that the use of her name wasn’t out of line.

Dammitall, I’ forced to agree with PN, for perhaps the first (and last) time in history:

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Hannity is paid $20-million/year to lie to you, just for his radio show. Probably the same for his TV show.

As I said, too, that’s about it for me as to why Faux Noise people are what they are, say what they do, and propound what they propound.

Mike, I disagree with your snarks at Geezer, just on the basis that what he may have read of Huff Post would show him their bias as easily as the clips I’ve seen of ClusterFox. The biases of some sites/writings/etc., are far too easy to discern; Huff and Fox Noise are two prime examples.

DT: I don’t believe

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They forced Palin out to undermine her 2012 run

She’s shown herself throughout her history as being a strong person who does what the hell she wants; also, according to some, of liking prestige more than she likes the work required to deserve it. I think she quit to make money, pure and simple (which she’s dong by the bucketload) She panders to the base to enhance her popularity, ergo her monetary value, as I see it, and is a good showman. Not much else, to me.

And I, too, am curious as to who this “they” is. Do you mean the democrats, or the republicans (party bosses, or those in her own state government, or who? I don’t deny your belief, am just confused as to exactly who you mean “they” are. Also would like to know how you arrived at this result, what resources you found to make you believe it.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:33 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weren't you the one who once claimed that Huffington Post lies and shows a clear bias?

Not at all. I googled 'Huffington lies' and posted some links from folk who did accuse Huffington of lies and bias, just like Huffington had accused Fox of lies and bias. My question was, "Each side says the other lies. Who can you believe?"

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I take it from that statement that you read an awful lot of Huffington Post, so you have a wealth of experience upon which to base your assumptions.

Since I made no such statement, and no such assumptions...

Although I did look at the "Top Ten Fox Lies" segments on Huffington, which is what that thread was about.

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Or were you just buying into the propaganda?

Actually, pointing out the propaganda - from both sides.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Actually, you DIDN'T point it out, except that you TRIED to claim that HuffPost lies (or that OTHER people SAY they lie, which is nothing but you hiding behind their claims, which is more sophistry on your part), but then you refused to offer any evidence to back that assertion, while others quite clearly DID bring ample evidence (and there's been even more since that discussion) of Fox's repeated lies.

So what do you base your propagandistic claims that *everyone* lies on, if you have nothing to back those claims?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:49 AM

Mike

Sorry, I try to avoid "they"

I'm not sure,.. . Dem/Rep Party aka TPTB.

The GOP wanted her gone as much as the dems, so there wasn't a lot, but Sarah was clearly cornered. She lacked a good power network. Most gov's do. I think you really have to go all Vlad Putin to hold onto power against the tides of TPTB

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:14 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Isn't it kind of contrary to make a flat statement that someone forced Palin out when you don't even know whether you mean the Repubs, Dems, or someone else? Kinda contradicts the concept of "logical deduction", to me. I could be wrong.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:55 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
(or that OTHER people SAY they lie, which is nothing but you hiding behind their claims, which is more sophistry on your part.

See the pot call the kettle black.

Mike, maybe this is just another attempt to change the subject. It could be that you just fail to comprehend what other folk write. Or it is possible that you are so caught up in your world of snark that you just don't care. In either case, it would once again be time for me to ignore such juvenile word games and just respond to those who actually want to stay on topic.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
(or that OTHER people SAY they lie, which is nothing but you hiding behind their claims, which is more sophistry on your part.

See the pot call the kettle black.

Mike, maybe this is just another attempt to change the subject. It could be that you just fail to comprehend what other folk write. Or it is possible that you are so caught up in your world of snark that you just don't care. In either case, it would once again be time for me to ignore such juvenile word games and just respond to those who actually want to stay on topic.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Yes, see the pot call the kettle black, indeed. Seems you love accusing others of sophistry when you utterly fail to comprehend the words they write. And when someone calls you on your usual line of bullshit, you try to hide behind "what I wrote was...", which is pure sophistry, which you LOVE to accuse others of.

It's funny how seldom you play by the rules you want to hold others to. One might get the impression that you're a hypocrite.

Or do you think you actually DO comprehend the words that others write, and you NEVER read into them what those people "really mean"? Because I've seen you do it, repeatedly, to myself, to Rue, to SignyM, and to others.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:12 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer: Nope, not buying into propaganda. Deciding from actual clips I’ve seen of Faux Noise offered elsewhere than the station themselves. They speak for themselves.

But that's the thing. You're looking at stuff that's been filtered to match your preconceptions.

Suppose you didn't know anything about the Beatles, and someone you knew was involved in Women's rights posted the lyrics to "Run For Your Life" and ranted about this misogynistic band that promoted violence against women? "Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man". "Let this be a sermon. I mean everything I've said. Baby, I'm determined, and I'd rather see you dead". "Catch you with another man, that's the end".

With just that information, what would you think of the Beatles?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:29 PM