Cheney Suffers Heart Attack Number Five by Kwicko

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Well, his spelling's too good to be KingEicholz or Jameron...

(Actually, I'm betting on the King. It's got a certain vibe about it. )

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Yah, I take it for one troll winding up another, case dismissed cause I got no interest in either one.

-F

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Friday, February 26, 2010 2:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Yah, I take it for one troll winding up another, case dismissed cause I got no interest in either one.

-F

Only I'm not a troll. But as long as it's not you being 'cloned'. you'll just ignore it ?

Typical.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:02 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

Total agreement here.

what do you think JONGSSTRAW ?

or anyone on the reasonable right ?

Well first, thanks for asking. I'd have to say that there is validity to that point of view. But I don't think that's always necessarily a bad thing, and I would also say that Democrats/Liberals have their own 2-way entities of support, including some corporations, lawyers, teachers, Hollywood, unions, cultural and arts organizations, climate change advocacy groups, etc. Obama Admin just recently awarded a large no-bid contract to a company that supported Obama in the campaign for them to develop an anthrax antidote. Repubs are probably more guilty of that sort of thing, but it has occured on both sides. It's easy to label Republicans as the party of "corporate interests", but I believe corporations have donated more money to Dem candidates than Repubs in recent times. I may be wrong on that assertion, but it wouldn't be by that much if I am wrong. I really don't know if labels mean anything any more. In many ways, the overwhelming majority of us have turned into Independents. Only the most extreme left or right of center folks support their party's positions and actions 100%. For me personally, it usually comes down to deciding to defend the "indefensible" or not...usually not.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 8:05 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree with J--not about corporate donations,bur about the parties. tho i fully agree both sides get more than their share! The parties I see are more like democrat hard, moderate (which seems to incorpotate R + D, and nut-wing righr. I went Independent some time ago.

As ro the sock puppet thing, as usual I'm shocked, again, by what's possible here. Disgusting.

As for any typos I make today, it's cuz i'm stuck typing one-handed due to injury. Wasn't me. wouldn't even occur to me. i may not even be here much todat--too hard to type.

it seemed to me one of crappy's detractors, rather than his ilk.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 9:52 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

Total agreement here.

what do you think JONGSSTRAW ?

or anyone on the reasonable right ?

Well first, thanks for asking. I'd have to say that there is validity to that point of view. But I don't think that's always necessarily a bad thing, and I would also say that Democrats/Liberals have their own 2-way entities of support, including some corporations, lawyers, teachers, Hollywood, unions, cultural and arts organizations, climate change advocacy groups, etc. Obama Admin just recently awarded a large no-bid contract to a company that supported Obama in the campaign for them to develop an anthrax antidote. Repubs are probably more guilty of that sort of thing, but it has occured on both sides. It's easy to label Republicans as the party of "corporate interests", but I believe corporations have donated more money to Dem candidates than Repubs in recent times. I may be wrong on that assertion, but it wouldn't be by that much if I am wrong. I really don't know if labels mean anything any more. In many ways, the overwhelming majority of us have turned into Independents. Only the most extreme left or right of center folks support their party's positions and actions 100%. For me personally, it usually comes down to deciding to defend the "indefensible" or not...usually not.

But would you agree that the right has moved away from the original core conservative values

in say environmental issues, or away from fiscal conservative values, or in terms of smaller government...

I may be mistaken, and will look for cites if you want... but didn't the size of government grow substantially under Reagan, and both Bushs ?

I don't mean to pick on the repubs with this, I am just concerned that they not only have been hijacked by the far right fringe, but that they have been pulled far enough over that they are really no longer viable to the moderate independent voter base...

and if that is true, then the Dems dont need to worry about their base either, and go further left...

Also, if the Republicans have moved off the core values on keys issues...

why hasn't their voter base made it an issue at the conventions if no where else... the candidates seem to send too much of their time trying to pick up support from the super Christian right, or other far right elements... but the moderates don't seem to be heard over top of the screaming...

The same is starting to become true of the dems, although Obama is moving more slowly

The only good thing I can see coming from this is the possibility of a new more centralist party forming to bridge the gap between the far right repubs and the far left dems... but that hasnt happened yet...

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:12 AM

Jong,

I just reread your post again and the last line

" I really don't know if labels mean anything any more. In many ways, the overwhelming majority of us have turned into Independents. Only the most extreme left or right of center folks support their party's positions and actions 100%. For me personally, it usually comes down to deciding to defend the "indefensible" or not...usually not. "

Really seems to hit the buttons in questions of foreign policy...

Both partys seem to want to go to exactly the same place, they may take slightly different tacks to get there but they go straight there anyway...

Is it the advisors all seem to come from the CFR ?

or the lobbys pushing for war ( Haliburton, arms manufacturing, etc ) that strong on both sides of the aisle ?

crazy to think despite all the election talk and posturing... you get exactly the same thing in the end... and it winds up being something the majority didn't want

sigh

have they started that third party up yet ?

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:14 AM

AURAPT0R

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree with J--not about corporate donations,bur about the parties. tho i fully agree both sides get more than their share! The parties I see are more like democrat hard, moderate (which seems to incorpotate R + D, and nut-wing righr. I went Independent some time ago.

As ro the sock puppet thing, as usual I'm shocked, again, by what's possible here. Disgusting.

As for any typos I make today, it's cuz i'm stuck typing one-handed due to injury. Wasn't me. wouldn't even occur to me. i may not even be here much todat--too hard to type.

it seemed to me one of crappy's detractors, rather than his ilk.

Thank you Niki, the sock puppet's been around longer than I have but I am here to stay

I am sorry to hear about your hand

I hope you will feel better soon

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

But would you agree that the right has moved away from the original core conservative values

The Republican Party certainly did under George Bush.

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in say environmental issues, or away from fiscal conservative values, or in terms of smaller government...

fiscal...yes, moved away
environmental...don't know
smaller govt....not sure

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:30 AM

One thing I have noticed over the past year or so is that just about EVERYONE seems to want an alternative party.

I propose a middle party. We'll call it The American Party. Our symbol will be the Eagle - fuck a bunch of donkeys and elephants, we're American Eagles, bitches!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
One thing I have noticed over the past year or so is that just about EVERYONE seems to want an alternative party.

I propose a middle party. We'll call it The American Party. Our symbol will be the Eagle - fuck a bunch of donkeys and elephants, we're American Eagles, bitches!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

The Turkey would be more historically appropriate

" Benjamin Franklin thought that the wild turkey should be the national bird of the USA. "

http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/history/us/symbols/

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:38 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Oil_companies_of_the_United_Stat
es

or maybe this Turkey

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:45 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Hero: Um, no, the basis is that a lot of us feel like he manipulated events proceeding up to the Iraq War, and possibly Afghanistan, in order to give Halliburton some very lush military contracts. At the very least, even if he didn't do this, then he comes off as shamelessly opportunistic and very callous towards the lives of soldiers and civilians.

Among other things, I'm sure. But that's probably the big one for most of us.

Yeah...thats what we said. Completely fabricated and baseless hate.

For example...Halliburton. They were in a specialized industry. Only a couple companies were in that industry. One was American, another French, another Russian, and one Chinese...of those only the French company could have competed with Halliburton for the contract (the others were in no position to make the commitment or provided the services on the scale needed although the Chinese have since become involved through a seperate agreement with the Iraqi govt, but in 2003, they were not really an option). Somehow I don't have a problem giving the contract to the American company over the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 11:05 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

But what about a completely unnecessary war ?

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Silence is consent.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 11:15 AM

BYTEMITE

@ Hero: Uh huh. *skeptical*

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Halliburton (NYSE: HAL) is an oilfield services corporation with operations in more than 70 countries. It has close to 300 subsidiaries, affiliates, branches, brands and divisions worldwide.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Somehow I don't have a problem giving the contract to the American company over the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

Yup, just as I always suspected - completely fabricated and baseless hate. ;)

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Friday, February 26, 2010 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
But what about a completely unnecessary war ?

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Silence is consent.

Yes, that was based on completely fabricated and baseless hate, too. Hate of Saddam, by Bush and Cheney. Fabricated and baseless "intelligence" and accusations gave free rein to that hate.

See? "Hero" is right - it IS all about fabricated and baselss hate. He's just dead wrong about which direction it's coming from. But he works for the government, which his own party says can't do anything right. To quote his own "hero", Ronald Reagan,

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The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

As Reagan pointed out, "Hero" here is definitely not among the best minds...

(Of course, those who look up to Reagan for saying such things tend to utterly disregard the fact that he spent a great deal of his life IN GOVERNMENT, clearly proving that he was NOT one of the great minds!)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:17 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I vote for "Independent American Eagles"--I don't want to ally myself with any "party" ever again.

FakeCrappy--stick it where the sun don't shine. Or blow it out your ear...I don't even have to check, the real Crappy wouldn't EVER say anything kind to me.

Yes, the turkey was proposed and would have been FAR better...they are (wild ones, anyway, we've overbred them to the point where they can't actually COMPULATE anymore!) majestic, proud critters...eagles are garbage eaters. But it didn't fly (the idea, not the bird!), eagles look purtier.

And yes, too: "fabricated and baselss hate"

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:24 PM

AURAPT0R

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I vote for "Independent American Eagles"--I don't want to ally myself with any "party" ever again.

FakeCrappy--stick it where the sun don't shine. Or blow it out your ear...I don't even have to check, the real Crappy wouldn't EVER say anything kind to me.

Yes, the turkey was proposed and would have been FAR better...they are (wild ones, anyway, we've overbred them to the point where they can't actually COMPULATE anymore!) majestic, proud critters...eagles are garbage eaters. But it didn't fly (the idea, not the bird!), eagles look purtier.

And yes, too: "fabricated and baselss hate"

I am real, I am kind

why so rude...

is it not better to talk with someone more nice than no

How is elephant an American symbol ?
would not bull be better ?

bull and donkey

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:52 PM

MAL4PREZ

My guess: the lack of response to his trolling has driven rappy off the edge. He's invented "aurapt0r" in a desperate attempt to recapture his place at the center of attention.

Ignore this one too, and just wait to see what he'll try next. It'll get especially entertaining.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:59 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Mal4...good guess, that would makes sense to me too. I had wondered where the regular "wind" was. I agree with your conclusion; easier to consider both "wind" than try and figure out who's posting. Thank you.

WhoEverYouAre: I think the bull would be a better symbol too and have no idea how they came up with the elephant (does anyone know?), but I'm sure the bull (which would work, as in bull market) wouldn't be considered; too easy to jump to bullshit. That is the last time I will address you, you are now noise on the wind to me; if you're serious, come in as a real person and deal with us--otherwise, go screw yourself.

The only thing worse than the ugliness of Crappy or OTB or their ilk is someone who doesn't even have the balls to come in as themselves. You do not exist to me.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 5:11 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Hero:

Somehow I don't have a problem giving the contract to the American company over the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

What a humanistic view of our planet you have, Mr. prosecutor.

The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Friday, February 26, 2010 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I vote for "Independent American Eagles"--I don't want to ally myself with any "party" ever again.

FakeCrappy--stick it where the sun don't shine. Or blow it out your ear...I don't even have to check, the real Crappy wouldn't EVER say anything kind to me.

Yes, the turkey was proposed and would have been FAR better...they are (wild ones, anyway, we've overbred them to the point where they can't actually COMPULATE anymore!) majestic, proud critters...eagles are garbage eaters. But it didn't fly (the idea, not the bird!), eagles look purtier.

And yes, too: "fabricated and baselss hate"

Problem with using a turkey as a mascot is, it has a negative connotation in this day and age. When something's a dud, it's called a "turkey". Not really the message you're going for.

Ignore FakeRappy as if he were the real thing. That's my new take on it. :)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:31 AM