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Is there any acceptable answer where I get to assassinate them both? I mean, the Prez is just as evil as his VP, since he CHOSE him as his VP, right?

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If they pay you off and you live, you will be reviled wherever you go. You may even find that your money is not very good, as very few would be willing to deal with you.

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I forgot - Republicans are known worldwide for their lack of a sense of humor. They simply cannot grok sarcasm.

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Hell, I'd torture her just for wearing that outfit.

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Originally posted by rue:
Are you saying that Bush wasn't a neoCON following a neoCON agenda?

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BTW, nice dodge after you were shown to be lying, yet again.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Maybe you could post their curriculum!

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"BTW, this is the terrorist's daughter."

You're dealing with someone who's worked too long in hospitals to really give a shit.

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I owe nothing to the other world.

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You're sick.

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So, uhhh, logic is replaced here by emotional familiarity.
So much for number crunching & the good of "the many."

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KPO came out against the aggressors here, but for Israel in the real world...

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I could write a similar one where the crazy Conservative President was gonna invade Iraq and slaughter a bunch of folks, and the only way to stop him was to assassinate his VP, who was the real decider.

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I don't believe in a no-win scenario.

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Hell, I'd torture her just for wearing that outfit.

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I'd torture you for snarking that.

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Originally posted by rue:
After all, YOU have molded this into a hostage situation where the entire world is hostage TO YOU. It comes down to pay me or die.

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Originally posted by kpo:
My logic is based on emotion

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Your example would also apply to doctors and many others with life saving services who seek money in exchange for those services.

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Could I exercise the power at the behest of world leader without asking for payment? Yes. Is it morally wrong to seek payment in exchange for using the power? No. The whole purpose of the scenario is that this is a very difficult choice. In this case I have been chosen to take on a huge burdon, compensation is reasonable.

Is it the amount of money? Suppose I ask for $1 (which is a nominal amount that can be used in law as consideration for a contract)? Or would you prefer some sort of exercise of power or act as my condition (surrender Osama, stop hunting whales, stop global warming, Firefly put back on the air, Browns win the Super Bowl)?

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You'd make a lousy Christ. You'd be the one on the cross, asking Dad, "Why should I? What's in it for me? What have they ever done for ME?"

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This is a lame one. Try The Terrorist and His Daughter.

You are the Mayor of Chicago. A terrorist has hidden a dirty atomic bomb somewhere in the loop and will detonate it in one half hour. No time to evacuate the city. Your advisors tell you that they have found, incontrovertably, that the only thing that will cause the terrorist to stop the bomb and surrender is to see his daughter suffering the pain of severe torture on TV. He doesn't care if she lives or dies, so driving her to the loop to be blown up won't stop him, but can't stand to see her suffer. He's also an expert at FX and CGI, etc. so will spot fakery. There are no other alternatives.

You can have one little girl tortured to save millions, or let millions die and keep your ethics intact.

BTW, this is the terrorist's daughter.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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I reject the scenario on the basis of it being a false dichotomy.

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Students who have been through this a few times understand why the city fathers of Athens made Socrates drink hemlock.

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As I noted above, this sort of scenario is a teaching tool for philosophy profs. A lot of it is simply unreasonable, but the profs insist that you accept it as given for the sake of the exercise

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It's the Ichthus method.

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So, when were you formally kicked off Vulcan?

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Delectable star trek humour aside, seriously, I think this is how rational decisions are made. The amygdala is the part of the brain that processes emotion and is key to decision making, and people with a damaged amygdala (like River) can be paralysed with indecision just in their daily lives. So as I understand it (hopefully not too far wrong - maye Rue could shed more light), key to our grasp of things like 'importance' and 'urgency' is being able to process emotions.

But I think applying logic is a way of perfecting the decision making process.

Heads should roll

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